Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[coco puff]

I still have nothing but sympathy for Cindy. I do believe she is in deep pathological denial. How would it be of any benefit to her to actually accept the truth? If she needs to believe it was an accident and Casey lies because of a brain tumor, chemical imbalance or whatever to get out of bed and simply survive everyday...so what? Why does anyone care? Her beliefs didn't kill Caylee. Her actions didn't get Casey off.

I have nothing but contempt for Cindy. I think her actions helped KC get away with it. At the very least, her enabling helped KC stick to her lie in the beginning and then remain silent and defiant for three years in jail.

If she would have shut her pie hole except in court and then told the truth, you are you are right, no one should care. but that didn't happen. In any case, not accepting it is totally different from making money from it.

 

[lowens1975]

CA is an older version of FCA, in many ways. I could see FCA in her so strongly, the thinking on the fly, spouting and spurting cover stories. It's strange....GA bends to CA's will, CA bends to FCA's will, FCA bends to no one's will. Caylee and Lee were caught up in a weird dynamic with no real place to belong. Sick environment.

CA is going to defend FCA tlll the day she dies. Her ego, which is a huge part of her personality won't let her admit that FCA ever did anything wrong. I get the feeling that she's proud of FCA for not telling the truth and basically getting away with the murder of Caylee. And she is still enjoying the attention that she's getting from the media, she seems flattered by it. It's not in what she says, there is something in her demeanor.

 

[coco puff]

"'I was told that Caylee was found in a different spot than where Casey thought she was,' Cindy said. She suggested this was why Casey never admitted the truth: if she said Caylee drowned but could not produce her body, nobody would believe her."

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/201...m-acquittal-was-justice-for-caylee/?hpt=ng_t2

Who could have told Cindy this part about the body? Couldn't have been Casey because it's been years, hasn't it, since Casey has communicated with Cindy? Did Casey tell Cindy while she was out on bail or did Baez tell her this during the secret meeting when he told her what the defense strategy was going to be?

How could Casey even know that the body wasn't where "she thought she was?" When did she know this? Did she find out when Cindy's two bumbling PI's searched their neighborhood?

Is it possible there are some clues that have accidentally slipped out with this statement of Cindy's?

And this: ". . . if she said Caylee drowned but could not produce her body, nobody would believe her." Well, that's exactly what was said at trial, wasn't it? And everybody who really counted, the Pinellas 12, believed it. So that excuse holds no water at all.IMO, Cindy is not in denial. She is in high-gear manipulation mode. :juggle:

I think what Cindy meant was: "if she said Caylee drowned but could only produce a body that was hidden in the woods in trash bags with duct tape embedded in what was left of Caylee's hair, nobody would believe her! Gee Cindy YA THINK?

 

[natsound]

I stress that CA is indeed in denial. We have a professional, Dr. Phil, stating that he's never seen denial like this. This is denial to the utmost degree.

 

[essies]

I have to leave to pick up my son from school for Occupational and Physical therapy . Been doing this for almost 10 years now ! Where did the time go? Dear God, I love that child and I'm going to do something special with him in honor of Caylee and Boots-OK one yr old grandaughter ,who just passed away after battling for her life for 5 mos.
I hope they meet my son,James . He was a big strapping black young man,just 15 yrs old,but he has a soft stop for the little ones. Huge smile and big bear hugs .

I'll check back in when we get to the waiting room. I'm anxious to hear thoughts,even why this doesn't make sense.

I swear,if we go back through the discovery it might start to fit.....or not :waitasec:

Maybe I'll have to watch Dr. Phil Monday after all.Which goes easier ,a hat or a crow? :crazy:

MJ-I've always been touched by your posts about sweet James and the love and value placed on all the children discussed here at WS (be it cases in the news or sharing personal stories from posters) is one of the reasons I keep coming back daily. WS is truly a unique and wonderful place to be!! Give your son an extra big hug from all of us!!

Regarding the theory of KC and Cindy possibly working in tandem-that would explain one of the things that has always bothered me! When KC said to Cindy in her jailhouse call "you don't know what MY involvement is?" Just the way she said it set my hinky meter off!!:waitasec:
We'll never know for sure about so many things-but if I were George I'd

Cause you know it's just a matter of time before mother and daughter are reunited!!

 

[Justin Tyme]

Hey, Y'all.....It is very easy for me to judge with no children, but I know my Mom would stick up for me no matter what. That is what Moms do. I've got one little Schnauzer that if he got loose somehow and bit a neighbor, I would stick up for him no doubt.....War Eagle and you had better watch out for those Panthers!!! :great:

I guess that I'm not your average Mom then. If my grown children do something wrong then they are on their own. My children were taught as children right from wrong. I laid the ground work for them. As adults they have the right to make their own decisions. If they choose to do wrong, then that's on them not me. If they get put in jail there are no visits from Mom, no letters, you phone calls. No money being placed in the GOODIE accounts. NO CONTACT. They did the dirty deed on their own then they can face the music on their own. There is zero support from Momma. I don't understand a Mother that supports her children when they know that the children are in the wrong. Would I still love my children? Yes, I would. Would I like my children, no way. You can love a person because you're related, you don't have to like them.

 

[KathrynL]

--My first post here, though I've been reading y'all for a looong time.


I think sane folks have a difficult time wrapping their brains around what crazy folks say and do. Thankfully, really, but still. Crazy folks are by definition not rational, and so it is problematic to use only logic to figure them out.

Understanding that, here is my take on Cindy: She is in denial, if and when it suits her own purposes to be in denial. All the evidence suggests that Cindy knew Casey was anything but an "awesome" mother, and that she knew Casey had serious mental health problems at least since her high school years.

Cindy knows she failed her daughter. A responsible (and sane) parent would have forced Casey into serious counseling many years ago, and would never have tolerated Casey's lies, much less enabled them, much less co-created them.

George's nightmare--and rightly so, the source of his heaping pile of guilt-- is that he knew that Cindy's parenting was wrong and destructive at every level, but that he did not intervene. Ever.

Over and over he chose to protect himself from Cindy and Cindy's anger, even when that escape came at the expense of first his daughter, and then his precious grand-daughter. No wonder he tried to kill himself. By his inaction, he absolutely shares responsibility for all that has happened.

Cindy, IMO, is a sociopath, pure and simple. For those of you who want to understand the Cindys (and Caseys) of the world, I highly recommend the book-The People of the Lie Cindy is incapable of loving. She didn't love Casey and she didn't love Caylee. Her tears are for herself- for her loss of control and for her loss of the illusion of family.

She uses denial not because she loves Casey unconditionally and can't accept the truth about Casey (what a joke!), but because if she admitted the truth about what happened she would have to see her own core ugliness in the mirror and THAT she won't do, no matter what, period.

I don't feel sorry for Casey. Even putting Caylee's murder aside, Casey too obviously enjoys causing her "friends" and family pain. My bet is that she throughly enjoyed watching her parents interviewed.

What a twofer- she gets to witness and enjoy how she's divided her parents and set them at each other, and she gets the satisfaction of knowing a huge number of people have watched the interviews and think her parents are scum.

In the end though, what is most sad to me is that clearly Casey never had a chance to be healthy, and given that plus Cindy's dominant role in that house-hold, Caylee never stood a chance of becoming the whole beautiful person she would otherwise have been.

Shame on them all.

Welcome! What a great first post. "People of the Lie, the Psychology of Evil" (Scott Peck) is a perfect suggestion that I was going to post when I got around to it. My therapist had me read it years ago, to help me understand the dynamics in my own family and realize I wasn't the "crazy" one.

Cindy behaves in some ways that are so familiar to me, and in many ways much worse than I experienced. The section of your post I bolded hits the nail right on the head...this is the kind of mentality my own mother has. Everything is always about her, everything.

 

[Aedrys]

I stress that CA is indeed in denial. We have a professional, Dr. Phil, stating that he's never seen denial like this. This is denial to the utmost degree.

It does seem like she's picky and choosy about what she's in denial about though. I don't know, maybe this is a new and different denial that she has now because of the verdict. I just don't think it's blind denial. I think she knows what happened, but I don't think she will ever admit it publically to anyone. It wouldn't surprise me either if she just wants everyone to think she's in denial to get sympathy and donations. I just think there's more going on in her brain than she leads everyone else to think. It's like her mouth says one thing, but she's constantly calculating on the inside and thinking about something else.

 

[KathrynL]

Among other things CA has "blocked out" of her mind is exactly what happened to Caylee after KC dropped her off down the street. She makes it sound as if her body just naturally decomposed. Maybe someone she tell her exactly what happened to Caylee by the placement of bones and where they were found in relation to the bags the originally held Caylee's body. This was about the worst thing I have heard CA say about Caylee to date. I think that therapist's has a long road ahead of them with CA.

I also think KC knows to stay away from her mother in case CA suddenly wakes up to the fact of what actually happened to Caylee. jmo

CA will not respond to therapy. She will look for justification of her beliefs and her behavior, and continue to blame everyone but herself for her troubles. She likely has already shopped therapists for one who will validate her version of everything. IME & moo

 

[Solace]

Welcome! What a great first post. "People of the Lie, the Psychology of Evil" (Scott Peck) is a perfect suggestion that I was going to post when I got around to it. My therapist had me read it years ago, to help me understand the dynamics in my own family and realize I wasn't the "crazy" one.

Cindy behaves in some ways that are so familiar to me, and in many ways much worse than I experienced. The section of your post I bolded hits the nail right on the head...this is the kind of mentality my own mother has. Everything is always about her, everything.

I have always thought that Cindy was a sociopath. Even though she took care of her family, she also used them e.g. KC was pregnant and she knew it and she knew it was not a good idea that her daughter had sociopathic tendendies or at the very least was a liar and a thief and would not be a good mother; HOWEVER, Cindy wanted a baby. Pure and simple.

Cindy will lie right to your face and smile as she does it. That is a sociopath. She did it in the interview yesterday and when confronted with "what about Caylee" then she needed sympathy and brought on the tears.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

CA is an older version of FCA, in many ways. I could see FCA in her so strongly, the thinking on the fly, spouting and spurting cover stories. It's strange....GA bends to CA's will, CA bends to FCA's will, FCA bends to no one's will. Caylee and Lee were caught up in a weird dynamic with no real place to belong. Sick environment.

Ezekiel..."As is the mother, so is her daughter."

 

[hannahsnana]

I stress that CA is indeed in denial. We have a professional, Dr. Phil, stating that he's never seen denial like this. This is denial to the utmost degree.

I will never believe that Cindy has been in denial. What I believe is that she is an evil liar, just like her daughter.

 

[natsound]

It does seem like she's picky and choosy about what she's in denial about though. I don't know, maybe this is a new and different denial that she has now because of the verdict. I just don't think it's blind denial. I think she knows what happened, but I don't think she will ever admit it publically to anyone. It wouldn't surprise me either if she just wants everyone to think she's in denial to get sympathy and donations. I just think there's more going on in her brain than she leads everyone else to think. It's like her mouth says one thing, but she's constantly calculating on the inside and thinking about something else.

Picking and choosing, I agree. It's whatever will make her feel better.

 

[KenoshaKid]

My take:
Cindy Anthony is a lost cause. Possibly even dangerous.
Her daughter is a lost cause. Definitely dangerous.
George Anthony is probably a lost cause. Possibly a loose cannon.
Lee Anthony is MIA...probably truly in denial and likely a lost cause, too.

It wouldn't surprise me, one bit, if one or both of these parents is setting a trap to lure their felon daughter home to enact the justice that was denied.

bbm..
One can only hope. :innocent:

 

[Justin Tyme]

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The ridiculous thing is - that is true - Caylee was found in a different "spot" that where Casey dumped her! Just how brain dead are you Cindy?

Did you completely not listen during the trial? Did you not hear Jeff Ashton and both experts testify that little Caylee's body had been torn apart by scavengers and scattered over half an acre of land? And it took all those techs on their hands and knees carefully sifting for a week and they still didn't retrieve all of it.

Unbelievable Cindy - just unbelievable!

Cindy also doesn't take into account that this could just well be another one of FCA's lies. She might have told them the general area of where she was hoping that they wouldn't find her. There's no doubt in my mind that CA had those guys go into the woods to do that pre-search. Or on the other hand it could just as well be another one of CA's lies for an excuse of why FCA didn't tell about ***cough*** supposedly drowning ***cough*** where the body was OR wasn't. Oh Mom, they wouldn't believe me because the body has been moved. When it comes to CA & FCA I'm starting to see two bodies with one mind. No, the apple didn't fall far from the tree, it's still attached.

 

[essies]

Welcome! What a great first post. "People of the Lie, the Psychology of Evil" (Scott Peck) is a perfect suggestion that I was going to post when I got around to it. My therapist had me read it years ago, to help me understand the dynamics in my own family and realize I wasn't the "crazy" one.

Cindy behaves in some ways that are so familiar to me, and in many ways much worse than I experienced. The section of your post I bolded hits the nail right on the head...this is the kind of mentality my own mother has. Everything is always about her, everything.

KL-Here's a good reference too! Sound like anyone we know?:waitasec:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErG2TtVdczI"]~The Sociopath Next Door • Martha Stout • Part 1~ - YouTube[/ame]

 

[lowens1975]

I stress that CA is indeed in denial. We have a professional, Dr. Phil, stating that he's never seen denial like this. This is denial to the utmost degree.

Is it denial or just plain lying? If she told what she really believes, the media would be satisfied with her answers and go away. The only thing that keeps the spotlight on her is that she continually defends FCA and believes she is 'innocent', contrary to what everyone else believes.

IMO, you can't just believe only the facts you want to believe and ignore rest. The other facts don't make any sense if you try to do that.

So she's 'playing' the public to keep the spotlight on her, if she didn't the the money, free trips and talk show offers would stop rolling in.

 

[jon_burrows]

Is it denial or just plain lying? If she told what she really believes, the media would be satisfied with her answers and go away. The only thing that keeps the spotlight on her is that she continually defends FCA and believes she is 'innocent', contrary to what everyone else believes.

IMO, you can't just believe only the facts you want to believe and ignore rest. The other facts don't make any sense if you try to do that.

So she's 'playing' the public to keep the spotlight on her, if she didn't the the money, free trips and talk show offers would stop rolling in.

You hit the nail on the head.

When Cindy lies she's in denial.

When George lies Cindy made him do it.

When FCA lies it's because her parents raised her to lie. It's Cindy's fault Casey wouldn't work to support her own child. It's Cindy's fault Caylee died. It's also George's fault because he didn't stop FCA, at the age of 22 to be a responsible adult and get a job.

When does the blame game stop and people held responsible for their actions? They are all adults and know right from wrong.

IMO

 

[oh_gal]

I cannot stress enough that Cindy Anthony is NOT in denial.
Cindy is still in cover up mode with her lame lies of excuses for her murdering daughter.

Just tossing this out there....

Could "cover up mode" also be a form of denial?

 

[natsound]

Is it denial or just plain lying? If she told what she really believes, the media would be satisfied with her answers and go away. The only thing that keeps the spotlight on her is that she continually defends FCA and believes she is 'innocent', contrary to what everyone else believes.

IMO, you can't just believe only the facts you want to believe and ignore rest. The other facts don't make any sense if you try to do that.

So she's 'playing' the public to keep the spotlight on her, if she didn't the the money, free trips and talk show offers would stop rolling in.

Denial is irrational, so IMO one of the facets of CA's denial is only believing some things, not believing other things. IMO she's lying to herself, willing herself to believe this nonsense.