Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[LambChop]

My son is 13 years old. He's been taught right from wrong and has recieved many consequences along the way. I am very strict when compared to other parents I know. I KNOW my son. He's warm, caring, loyal, loving, smart, funny, gentle and respectful. He's not perfect by any means. He makes mistakes....I sometimes even let him. He always suffers the consequences. I would NEVER believe in a million years he could murder anyone. Short of a video tape of the deed. I would remain steadfast in denial too.

BBM: I don't think he will ever be a problem. Appears you are on the right track. I had to do the "tough love" thing and the child that you thought was giving you the most problems is now the model parent. lol Keep up the good work. jmo

 

[cityslick]

My son is 13 years old. He's been taught right from wrong and has recieved many consequences along the way. I am very strict when compared to other parents I know. I KNOW my son. He's warm, caring, loyal, loving, smart, funny, gentle and respectful. He's not perfect by any means. He makes mistakes....I sometimes even let him. He always suffers the consequences. I would NEVER believe in a million years he could murder anyone. Short of a video tape of the deed. I would remain steadfast in denial too.

BBM

And in your mind you're not 'covering' up for your son, you just don't recognize that he did anything wrong. Covering up would be knowing he did wrong and still making excuses for him.

 

[JBounds]

The more they talk the more I am being convinced they are covering up something. For three years I did not think that way and not even during the trial but they make no sense whatsoever. Now Caylee died of an overdose? Get real.

Why won't they just say it? Casey is her cause of death. If they can't say it then they're also involved somehow. Not a drowning cover-up, but something else.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Support them it way way? I wasn't talking about if they robbed a bank. I'm talking about if they took another person's life. Yes, I'd disown them. I wouldn't cover up for them nor support them in any way. There's a BIG difference in robbing a bank and taking the life of another...don't you think?

Nothing could ever make me stop loving or turn my back on my child. I'd what to get to the root of why, what exactly happened and I would want to help them get better...no matter what.

I think GA & CA & LE are all victims too. This is what happens to people when they live with and love a psychopath. It's hard to wrap the mind around.

Many people here believe it was an accidental overdose. A form of denial imo. It wasn't. There is zero evidence of that. That baby...imo...was murdered deliberately with malice and forethought. That's what the evidence is. I just hope to God she was knocked out by the chloroform before the duct tape was applied and never woke up.

 

[Linda7NJ]

BBM

And in your mind you're not 'covering' up for your son, you just don't recognize that he did anything wrong. Covering up would be knowing he did wrong and still making excuses for him.

Exactly right

 

[JBounds]

I also think George or someone they knows comes here and reads theories about what happened.

 

[LambChop]

Nothing could ever make me stop loving or turn my back on my child. I'd what to get to the root of why, what exactly happened and I would want to help them get better...no matter what.

I think GA & CA & LE are all victims too. This is what happens to people when they live with and love a psychopath. It's hard to wrap the mind around.

Many people here believe it was an accidental overdose. A form of denial imo. It wasn't. There is zero evidence of that. That baby...imo...was murdered deliberately with malice and forethought. That's what the evidence is. I just hope to God she was knocked out by the chloroform before the duct tape was applied and never woke up.

In a lot of the instances the A's victumized themselves by NOT telling the truth. jmo

 

[shufly]

I'm watching Nancy Grace show here.....I didn't watch the Dr. Phil episodes, but saw enough to know that Cindy cannot grasp that her own daughter was capable of killing her precious Caylee. George is capable kinda. He had to throw in the part that someone else was involved, but I don't think George believes that in his heart. That was just an appeasement for mama Cindy IMO. I certainly hope this turns out to be a life lesson for parents to be aware of their youngins.....and, by the way, if Cindy has been in so-called "Therapy" with someone, she needs to find a new Therapist for help.

i have to disagree with you here. while i do think cindy is still trying to make excuses for KC and will not or cannot admit the truth even though she probably knows it and doesn't want to accept it, i feel she has come a long way from that woman who so ferociously defended KC 3 years ago. she is still trying to find ways to defend her and make excuses for her but in my opinion, this is not just about her having to accept what happened. cindy has to accept that cindy is controlling, enabling and just can't stand the thought that the whole world hates someone she raised. that makes cindy look bad. i think she has a lot more to overcome and come to grips with than just the fact that KC killed caylee. i'm not taking up for her because i would love the opportunity to ask her some hard hitting questions about why she can't just accept the evidence, etc. and i'm one of those people Dr. P. was talking about that just want to shake her. but my point is that she has her own serious personality flaws and those things have to be overcome before she will ever accept the truth in this situation. i'm just not sure it can be done in 3 years.

 

[LambChop]

I also think George or someone they knows comes here and reads theories about what happened.

Oh please....CA has WS saved as one of her FAVORITES, lol.

 

[MsMacGyver]

Some have commented on what a good mother is. This is a question that every women faces when we have children. I worked with a woman that everyday at lunch would prepare her sons meal, serve it to him and clean up afterwards. I asked her why she did this and her answer was..because thats what a good mother does. I politely disagreed with her and asked if it wouldn't be better to teach him to take care of himself. Since the beginning of time mothers have disagreed about what makes a good mom. Our children do not come with instruction manuals. I believe and raised my kids to take responsibilty for their actions. I told them when you do something good I will be the first one besides yourself to pat you on the back , when you do something wrong I WILL be the first one in line to kick you in the butt. Imagine how different this situation could have turned out if the A's had taken the opportunity to just make the felon own up to the stealing. CA mother was going to turn the felon into LE and CA told her if she did this she would never talk to her again. Parenting isn't suppose to be easy, sometimes you have to make choices for the childs own good. CA has spent so much time, effort and money to defend her daughter, Caylee is dead and the family has been destroyed. Still she can't see the path of destruction that is left behind. CA is selfish & self serving. She has to be right regardless of who gets hurt. Listen to the message CA left for TM..No one starts a fight with the A family and wins...
Wrong CA, you lost your war a long time ago.

 

[Meri]

There is something creepy about GA, I can't put my finger on it though. He never talks in normal english, he has to ask himself a question and then he answers. I wish someone could tell me why he does this.

Agreed! This drives me nuts about him - I also caught Cindy doing the same a couple times.

 

[Linda7NJ]

i have to disagree with you here. while i do think cindy is still trying to make excuses for KC and will not or cannot admit the truth even though she probably knows it and doesn't want to accept it, i feel she has come a long way from that woman who so ferociously defended KC 3 years ago. she is still trying to find ways to defend her and make excuses for her but in my opinion, this is not just about her having to accept what happened. cindy has to accept that cindy is controlling, enabling and just can't stand the thought that the whole world hates someone she raised. that makes cindy look bad. i think she has a lot more to overcome and come to grips with than just the fact that KC killed caylee. i'm not taking up for her because i would love the opportunity to ask her some hard hitting questions about why she can't just accept the evidence, etc. and i'm one of those people Dr. P. was talking about that just want to shake her. but my point is that she has her own serious personality flaws and those things have to be overcome before she will ever accept the truth in this situation. i'm just not sure it can be done in 3 years.

IMO Cindy is like MOST people. She can't accept the fact that mothers can and do horrible things to their children. Time after time we see women get off or the crimes minimized because they're the mother. It had to be an accident. Then factor in it being her OWN daughter and the victim is her own grandchild.

Cindy seemed like a doting, loving parent, grandparent and hard worker. Typical of most. She trusted her daughter and thought she knew her. She wanted to be paid back, called Casey on the stuff she caught her doing, and thwarted Casey's attempts at using her credit cards and checks. She believed in Casey. That's her only crime. Casey knew very well what Cindy expected of her. Get a job and care for her child. She pretended to do just that.

Normal people have great difficulty understanding how psychopaths think. When it's your own child, I would think it's darn near impossible.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

KL-Here's a good reference too! Sound like anyone we know?:waitasec:
~The Sociopath Next Door • Martha Stout • Part 1~ - YouTube

That is chilling to listen to. As I listen, I can see the image of Casey Anthony emerge.

IMO

 

[jon_burrows]

IMO Cindy is like MOST people. She can't accept the fact that mothers can and do horrible things to their children. Time after time we see women get off or the crimes minimized because they're the mother. It had to be an accident. Then factor in it being her OWN daughter and the victim is her own grandchild.

Cindy seemed like a doting, loving parent, grandparent and hard worker. Typical of most. She trusted her daughter and thought she knew her. She wanted to be paid back, called Casey on the stuff she caught her doing, and thwarted Casey's attempts at using her credit cards and checks. She believed in Casey. That's her only crime. Casey knew very well what Cindy expected of her. Get a job and care for her child. She pretended to do just that.

Normal people have great difficulty understanding how psychopaths think. When it's your own child, I would think it's darn near impossible.

BBM -

 

[Justin Tyme]

Oh please....CA has WS saved as one of her FAVORITES, lol.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::great:

Thanks LambChop, we needed some comedy relief. Can you imagine FCA's list of favorites? She only had to make one entry: Casey Anthony. That should keep her busy for awhile. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[MaryAnn]

Agreed! This drives me nuts about him - I also caught Cindy doing the same a couple times.

I agree he comes across very strange sometimes, but I don't think it's anything sinister. The look on his face when he said I can't think about Caylee being tripled bagged and dumped in the woods. Not in those exact words. the look of anger on his face was unreal! I truly think he hates FCA for what she did to Caylee. I truly don't think he had anything to do with it. if anything it was CA who knew where Caylee was and had her PI'S go look for her. The fact the CA was trying to compare GA's gambling habit to FCA's murdering her Daughter drove me crazy! I wanted to jump through the tv and go what is wrong with you? There isn't any comparison gambling/murdering!! I'm sure the evil FCA watched. Her new mission now is to probably break up her parents move back in with Mommy and become her old lazy self. I had never heard that FCA didn't want GA to come back home after they had split. I thought that was interesting. Probably because GA called the felon out on what she did unlike Mommy who just enabled and enabled!! GA needs to get out of that house fast! JMO

 

[wonders]

This is why I don't believe CA is in denial crazy or insane.
CA has had about three years to think about everything 24/7/365 just as we have and I assure you that everything has crossed her mind as it has ours, she's just unwilling to say anything out loud. CA isn't crazy or insane, if she were she would do worse things than trying to cover up with her out right lies to protect CFCA and wouldn't be able to hold any conversation with anyone that made sense. She gives herself away with some of the comments she makes and actions she takes. Think about the Caylee being alive bs. A person in denial, crazy or insane would'nt have cremated remains made into jewelry, nor would they have gotten memorial tatoo's, and certainly would not be looking to cash in on a missing or dead person. How does a person in denial, crazy or insane make statements such as Caylee's remains being in the woods instead of the swamp. In my mind the word woods is a lets make us feel better about where our daughter "placed" instead of threw Caylee. All of this is just my way of thinking and I certainally don't expect anyone to agree with it. I'm thankful to have a place to put my thoughts down instead of stewing over them alone.

 

[shufly]

Normal people have great difficulty understanding how psychopaths think. When it's your own child, I would think it's darn near impossible.

very well stated. i couldn't agree more. all the more reason i say 3 years of therapy is just not enough. she still has an uphill battle.

 

[darnudes]

IMO Cindy is like MOST people. She can't accept the fact that mothers can and do horrible things to their children. Time after time we see women get off or the crimes minimized because they're the mother. It had to be an accident. Then factor in it being her OWN daughter and the victim is her own grandchild.

Cindy seemed like a doting, loving parent, grandparent and hard worker. Typical of most. She trusted her daughter and thought she knew her. She wanted to be paid back, called Casey on the stuff she caught her doing, and thwarted Casey's attempts at using her credit cards and checks. She believed in Casey. That's her only crime. Casey knew very well what Cindy expected of her. Get a job and care for her child. She pretended to do just that.

Normal people have great difficulty understanding how psychopaths think. When it's your own child, I would think it's darn near impossible.

A doting, loving parent/grandparent who told her workmates she didn't want custody of Caylee because she couldn't afford it, is that who you mean? Cindy who went out of her way to accuse all and sundry of kidnapping and or killing Caylee - well, I guess she may seem like a loving person if you like that sort of thing with a side order of criminality.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I also think George or someone they knows comes here and reads theories about what happened.

Why do you say that?

Imo, he believed the state's evidence.

High levels of chloroform found along with human decomp smell in the car driven by his daughter.

Pretty easy to make 1+1 equal 2, imo.

IMO