Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[MsMacGyver]

When my daughter and her son were living with me, if she had been stealing money and gas from me but telling me she had a job you can be sure I would have been playing detective. CA seemed so proud of the fact she went to the felons place of employment how many years after the fact?
If anyone is questioning CA character, watch the interviews and pay close attention to the times she smiles/smirks...IMO...says alot!

 

[GracieLu]

My reference wasn't about a teenage child. My reference is to adult children that REALLY know and understand right from wrong and who value human life. Perhaps I should have just said, if FCA was my daughter I would not have supported her or covered for her. I thank my lucky stars that she wasn't my child, because instead of covering up for her when I found the family car I'd probably be serving time in prison for choking the living Carp out of her.

i totally understand and respect what you are posting but thought i would add this... the other day i was told by a neighbor that her daughter (a year older than mine) was being molested by the babysitters son. i was so upset. my neighbor told me that her daughter didn't want to tell because she was told her mommy would hate and be mad at her. i questioned my daughter right after i heard and told her that she should never keep secrets from me regardless of how she thinks i would react. my lovely little 7-year-old repled "i know mom, cuz you love me no matter what." with this being said, i couldn't teach "i love you no matter what" to my 7-year-old if i felt i wouldn't mean it when she was 27 yrs old. if she killed someone (god forbid) i would love her, visit her, but never lie, make excuses, or make whatever she did seem less serious than it really was... i'll always be her mom and hopefully i will be a good enough one throughout the years to catch potential problems and correct them before something serious happens... also, if my son killed a family in a drunk driving accident (god forbid) and I knew for years that he had a serious drinking problem and never did anything about it, I would feel partly responsible to some extent....

(and in general, lol)....

the anthony's are all messed up... they knew their felon daughter had serious mental problems and did nothing about it. i wouldnt fault them had they just said we love our daughter "no matter what." i fault them because Caylee deserves the truth and lying for the felon is like throwing Caylee away like garbage all over again.... just makes me sad!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The more they talk the more I am being convinced they are covering up something. For three years I did not think that way and not even during the trial but they make no sense whatsoever. Now Caylee died of an overdose? Get real.

Why won't they just say it? Casey is her cause of death. If they can't say it then they're also involved somehow. Not a drowning cover-up, but something else.

That shouldnt be shocking. George has every right to believe the state's evidence entered about the high levels of chloroform found in his daughter's car.

George did say that Casey is responsible for Caylee's death however Cindy spun the gazillion excuses instead.

IMO

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Hello to all my fellow WS’s....haven’t been around here much, but could not miss out on posting about Dr. Phil’s interview with the As.
First of all, WOW. Just. WOW. I have never seen anything quite like Cindy. A mental health professional would have a field day. Of course, I have said that all along. But the level of denial is such that I have never seen in my life. I do have to say, though, that since I have removed myself from the Anthony Circus....I viewed the interview with much more objectivity than I ever could have before.
I only wish Dr. Phil would have asked George “why are you still with this woman?”...but who am I to say, right?

This was the biggest thing that jumped out at me from the second part.....when Cindy made the statement that “from what I understand, Caylee was not where Casey thought she was...”
WOW. What an admission. That sure puts Domick Casey’s search into focus for me. He looked where he was told to look...the body was not there. Of course, anybody with two brain cells would realize the bag had floated during the hurricane. Of course it wasn’t in the EXACT SPOT....but still triple bagged, in the woods. Good Lord.
Can’t wait to hear about JB calling Cindy in to tell her his strategy. He evidently wanted her, not George. Can we say “Patsy”..... Oh and George better watch what he says about his precious CEO daughter on national TV...she might bring him up on molestation charges. Now that would be a hoot, huh?

So all in all.....here’s what I think....George knows and is pissed....Cindy knows but can’t let herself go there. Dr. Phil wanted to shake Cindy’s head right off her shoulders. Casey’s mental illness evidently came from the maternal side.

Does anybody know when the other interview portions will be shown?

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Oh, and I sure hope the Infamous Pinellas 12 were watching.......

 

[PeteJ]

Well, I've certainly lost a great deal of the sympathy I used to have for Cindy! Now I see where Casey got her character traits. I don't believe for one moment that Casey suddenly became a liar and thief because she gave birth. She was always like that.

 

[MarthaM]

I know that the terms 'sociopath' and 'psychopath' are thrown around pretty freely, not just when it comes to this case but in general.

I can see why it would be used to describe Casey, going by the behaviors associated with antisocial or dissocial personality disorders. But Cindy? I just don't see what anybody's basing that on. Do people really think she's a sociopath or has that word just become some sort of catchphrase for anybody whose behavior seems bizarre? Or maybe the animosity toward her is just so strong that there's a need to use the strongest possible word to describe her, whether it's accurate or not?

I just don't see Cindy as being all that different from some women I know in real life, so maybe that's why it seems a little too 'out there' to start throwing around words like 'sociopath' when it comes to her.

 

[MsMacGyver]

JP rules the felon has to pay back 97,000.00

 

[MsMacGyver]

Just reported on HLN...

 

[Schu7]

So the ratings are in. Phil's wacko Cindy and Puppet G. show is a huge success. This is no surprise to me. People all through history and around the world have always loved to watch an sick evil performance. And that is all the show was. A performance. Just like a Greek tragedy on stage 2,500 years ago. Human nature and tastes have not changed over the years. So there was nothing new here anywhere. That is not the point. It is the theater here that counts. And nothing more. Caylee has sadly been dead for years now. Yet we all keep the show going on. Without our interest the Cindy show stops. Mark me down as guilty of being of a normal twisted human in my tastes here as well. Face it, the courts did not care here. The jury sure did not care. Only the vast number of us followers of the trial care. And the whole money making system of the producers of this theater.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Oh...and I was so glad to find out that it was ok with Cindy that Caylee was tossed in a swamp, because, you know, your spirit has left your body and all....If the majority of people thought that way we could put funeral homes right out of business.

O.M.G.

 

[Hope4More]

Thanks very much for the Welcomes!:great:

I'm just learning how to post here, so please forgive my likely many lapses and boo-boo's.

As for People of the Lie (by M Scott Peck). I read it out of necessity too; my mother is a Cindy-lite. She was severely damaged emotionally by HER mother (as I suspect Cindy was too), and had children before she ever had a chance to figure out she was damaged, much less how to heal herself.

The 2 central destructive results of my mother's childhood, and how she "parented" as a result were:

1. She learned and practiced a steely self-protective defense of never ever taking responsibility for any bad actions or results. I believe at some point that this mechanism became so deeply rooted in her psyche and so essential to her emotional survival, that to this day she is literally incapable of taking even the first step to see herself for who she is. Sound familiar?

2. Her own insecurity is so profound that any and everything can challenge her sense of self and well being, including, or even especially, her own children. A child doing well is a source of happiness for a sane parent. Parents of the Lie feel threatened instead, and undermine their children at every turn, all the while spouting how much they love their children unconditionally.

In Cindy's case, I remember a telling tidbit she mentioned somewhere about Lee and Casey in high school. She was asked about Lee's grades, and whether or not he had been in a program for gifted kids. Her reply-- his grades were very good, and yes, she had entered him in a gifted program.

And Casey? Cindy replied that Casey's grades were even better- straight A's. And then said pretty close to exactly this (where are my italics??!) : "oh, I don't think we ever thought about putting Casey in a gifted program."

Eh? That is CLASSIC undermining behavior.

Again, I don't feel sorry for Casey. I grew up with a mother like hers and yet have made choices all through my life that were life-affirming, not other-destroying. But, because I grew up with a mother like Cindy, I also know first hand what genuine and terrible pain & damage a mother of the Lie inevitably causes.

If you haven't been there- lucky you. And for those here who have, and who have learned how to love and be loved DESPITE their upbringing, here's to you! :clap:

 

[MarthaM]

Oh, and I sure hope the Infamous Pinellas 12 were watching.......

I don't think there was a thing in this interview that has anything to do with the case in a legal sense. Nothing was said that changes my mind about the prosecution not proving their case. I suspect the jurors would agree.

The interview does do a lot to strengthen the one thing (besides the lying to LE charge) that the prosecution did prove, and that's how messed up that whole family is.

 

[cityslick]

I don't think there was a thing in this interview that has anything to do with the case in a legal sense. Nothing was said that changes my mind about the prosecution not proving their case. I suspect the jurors would agree.

The interview does a lot to strengthen the one thing (besides the lying to LE charge) that the prosecution did prove, and that's how messed up that whole family is.

I got to agree with this. The interview doesn't prove anything to someone who went along with the verdict. Both parents are not even giving the same story as to what they believe really happened. In fact you can say it reinforces the argument that neither of them (CA more than GA) aren't credible with anything they testified too.

 

[Hope4More]

Thanks very much for the Welcomes!:great:

I'm just learning how to post here, so please forgive my likely many lapses and boo-boo's.

As for People of the Lie (by M Scott Peck). I read it out of necessity too; my mother is a Cindy-lite. She was severely damaged emotionally by HER mother (as I suspect Cindy was too), and had children before she ever had a chance to figure out she was damaged, much less how to heal herself.

The 2 central destructive results of my mother's childhood, and how she "parented" as a result were:

1. She learned and practiced a steely self-protective defense of never ever taking responsibility for any bad actions or results. I believe at some point that this mechanism became so deeply rooted in her psyche and so essential to her emotional survival, that to this day she is literally incapable of taking even the first step to see herself for who she is. Sound familiar?

2. Her own insecurity is so profound that any and everything can challenge her sense of self and well being, including, or even especially, her own children. A child doing well is a source of happiness for a sane parent. Parents of the Lie feel threatened instead, and undermine their children at every turn, all the while spouting how much they love their children unconditionally.

In Cindy's case, I remember a telling tidbit she mentioned somewhere about Lee and Casey in high school. She was asked about Lee's grades, and whether or not he had been in a program for gifted kids. Her reply-- his grades were very good, and yes, she had entered him in a gifted program.

And Casey? Cindy replied that Casey's grades were even better- straight A's. And then said pretty close to exactly this (where are my italics??!) : "oh, I don't think we ever thought about putting Casey in a gifted program."

Eh? That is CLASSIC undermining behavior.

Again, I don't feel sorry for Casey. I grew up with a mother like hers and yet have made choices all through my life that were life-affirming, not other-destroying. But, because I grew up with a mother like Cindy, I also know first hand what genuine and terrible pain & damage a mother of the Lie inevitably causes.

If you haven't been there- lucky you. And for those here who have, and who have learned how to love and be loved DESPITE their upbringing, here's to you! :clap:

 

[BellaVita]

Your wrong. Denial is the minds way of sheilding the truth, it's never even considered. It isn't deliberate, it just happens.

It happened to me, later when I accepted the truth ... I found it extremely SHOCKING that I hadn't even considered the possibility, never even entered my mind! *I* was a trained professional with lots of experience in the particular area too. Had it happened to someone else, I would have been all over it. Thankfully, mine only lasted about 48 hours

I respect your posting, I really do. I wish my experiences in life would lead me to your thoughts on this subject. For the longest I was able to give benefit of the doubt to people. After many decades and witnessing so much of what humans are capable of, I finally cannot do it anymore. IMO, Cindy is most definitely narcissistic and with that personality type, EVERYTHING they feel, think or do is all about them. Even when it doesn't seem so, it is. If they do a good deed it is not so much because they want to help, but because they will receive recognition. Cindy's type of denial is not like what normal people experience.What normal people experience is not being able to wrap their minds around something because they just didn't think other people could act that way. Cindy's denial stems from not wanting others to believe that HER actions are in any way responsible for how messed up her family is. It is not the kind of denial that just happens. It is denial with a purpose. It is deliberate and meant to manipulate. IMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IMO Cindy is like MOST people. She can't accept the fact that mothers can and do horrible things to their children. Time after time we see women get off or the crimes minimized because they're the mother. It had to be an accident. Then factor in it being her OWN daughter and the victim is her own grandchild.

Cindy seemed like a doting, loving parent, grandparent and hard worker. Typical of most. She trusted her daughter and thought she knew her. She wanted to be paid back, called Casey on the stuff she caught her doing, and thwarted Casey's attempts at using her credit cards and checks. She believed in Casey. That's her only crime. Casey knew very well what Cindy expected of her. Get a job and care for her child. She pretended to do just that.

Normal people have great difficulty understanding how psychopaths think. When it's your own child, I would think it's darn near impossible.

While I do agree they are victims of their psychopath daughter because living with one can be sheer hell on earth by having to endure someone without a conscience.......I do not believe anything that Cindy puts out and imo deep down she doesn't believe it either.

Yes, she did all those things you have listed but her motivation may have not been for selfless reasons. This is a way she would be able to manipulate and control the situations that arose in her family. I do believe Casey has a lot of the same traits as her mother but more pronounced.

Wanting to believe something is one thing. Pretending you do is another matter altogether imo. I think Cindy's self image is as important to her as erroneously shaping Casey's faux image to make her into something she is not.

What Cindy does is hides the truth but not from herself, imo. If one listens to her very long she is inconsistent and all over the place in her quest hoping she can get others to believe the illusions she puts forth. She creates these illusions so that it puts not only Casey in a better light but also herself. That is why the numerous excuses are surreal and bizarre. Sort of like "well if you dont believe this excuse......let me throw another one out there.'

Now I fully understand no parent wants to admit they have endured the wrath and vengeance of a psychopath inside their home for years...espeically one who has murdered their own child, but to completely throw commonsense out the window like it never existed is done IMO, to protect one's own self image and serves no other purpose.

IMO

 

[MaryAnn]

I don't think there was a thing in this interview that has anything to do with the case in a legal sense. Nothing was said that changes my mind about the prosecution not proving their case. I suspect the jurors would agree.

The interview does do a lot to strengthen the one thing (besides the lying to LE charge) that the prosecution did prove, and that's how messed up that whole family is.

They are going to address the legal issues from the Trial this Monday on his show.

 

[MissJames]

BBM - I wish there had been a little surprise when CA/GA showed up for the interview -- LDB on Phil's side to help with the facts and ask any questions Phil left out. Speaking of LDB, congrats to her, she got a promotion.

IMO

That would have been awesome!!!!! Dang !

 

[JBounds]

That shouldnt be shocking. George has every right to believe the state's evidence entered about the high levels of chloroform found in his daughter's car.

George did say that Casey is responsible for Caylee's death however Cindy spun the gazillion excuses instead.

IMO

When I say overdose I am talking about xanax that he now believes. According to the interview he doesn't really believe the chloroform much anymore.