Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[SyraKelly]

So the ratings are in. Phil's wacko Cindy and Puppet G. show is a huge success. This is no surprise to me. People all through history and around the world have always loved to watch an sick evil performance. And that is all the show was. A performance. Just like a Greek tragedy on stage 2,500 years ago. Human nature and tastes have not changed over the years. So there was nothing new here anywhere. That is not the point. It is the theater here that counts. And nothing more. Caylee has sadly been dead for years now. Yet we all keep the show going on. Without our interest the Cindy show stops. Mark me down as guilty of being of a normal twisted human in my tastes here as well. Face it, the courts did not care here. The jury sure did not care. Only the vast number of us followers of the trial care. And the whole money making system of the producers of this theater.

The ratings for Dr.Phil is good and bad-The way I see it..the good part would be,A LOT of people saw what Ca said and I hope many of them will think twice about giving to their foundation..the bad part is,A LOT of people watched the show,so it showed the As are a hot topic-which means..they MAY get more interviews-I hope they don't get more offers!!JMO

 

[krkrjx]

Denial is irrational, so IMO one of the facets of CA's denial is only believing some things, not believing other things. IMO she's lying to herself, willing herself to believe this nonsense.

I think so, too. I believe Cindy knows the truth and has known for a long time but she just will not accept it. She is doing all she can to convince herself that Casey is not a bad person and is not responsible for Caylee's death. Even if Cindy ever admits Casey did this she will temper her beliefs with there being some reason for it beyond Casey's control, etc. Cindy does not like the truth so she refuses to accept it. Instead she makes up her own version of events, hoping that if she spouts enough of this others will come around to her way of thinking. I mean, she actually does have a few supporters who sympathize with her and "can understand where Cindy is coming from."

Cindy is confusing her stance with love. She thinks this is how you love your daughter--by lying for her, and by denying the truth even when it hits you in the face. While I believe George knew the truth all along, I do believe he had trouble accepting it. What father wouldn't? The difference, IMO, is that George's denial was temporary and a necessary step he needed to take to arrive at acceptance. Cindy's denial is something much deeper because she is not at a point in the process where she is able to admit the truth (even though I believe she really does know it). I am not sure Cindy will ever be at that point. Cindy may forever lie to everyone, including herself.

 

[cyberborg]

Denial is a polite way of saying you are lying to yourself and others. jmo

True ... but the point is whether your psyche is denying it as part of a coping mechanism in the stages of grief or whether you are knowingly using the 'denial' = 'lies' with a purpose.

I believe that CA is using the concept of denial to perform the latter....

 

[PeteyGirl]

The whole anthony family with KC as the lead character belongs in a new chapter of Scott Peck's book, “The People of the Lie.”

Best book on evil that I have read.......

It really is, isn't it?!

I highly recommend this book, it is intelligent and thoughtful and aimed at a layperson audience. I read it when I was still a kid (early 20's is a kid to me), and have re-read it and parts of it over the years.

Peck described several families with similar-to-the-Anthony's profiles. The Anthony's are not "new" under this sun . I wonder if they are just the first ((?)) of their kind to fall under intense public scrutiny?

 

[Murphismo]

The ratings for Dr.Phil is good and bad-The way I see it..the good part would be,A LOT of people saw what Ca said and I hope many of them will think twice about giving to their foundation..the bad part is,A LOT of people watched the show,so it showed the As are a hot topic-which means..they may get more interviews-I beg all stations....please don't do this!!!JMO

I disagree, we've already seen them, what is left??

 

[PeteyGirl]

True ... but the point is whether your psyche is denying it as part of a coping mechanism in the stages of grief or whether you are knowingly using the 'denial' = 'lies' with a purpose.

I believe that CA is using the concept of denial to perform the latter....

I think CA is "in denial" as part of a life-long coping mechanism AND "lying with purpose". These two are not mutually exclusive.

Denial IS lying, though the lie may have been "forgotten" long ago, it is still a lie however buried by time and pretense. Of course there are different kinds of lies, and with time lies change their consistency, but there is no distinction between "denial" and "lying", in my experience.

 

[SyraKelly]

I said they MAY get more interviews,not that they will!! I hope they dont!!

 

[Murphismo]

I said they MAY get more interviews,not that they will!! I hope they dont!!

I feel ya.....:sick: But, I really think this is it, it's like having OCA on or to get that first picture.... After that? Who really gives a ratts azz? (I hope with you).

 

[Mountain_Kat]

That was exactly how I was thinking when I went to bed last night.

However, after reading here today, all of my old feelings of whether she is in denial, or simply lying have sprung up like green shoots in a field at springtime.

I don't think lying and being in denial are mutually exclusive. I also don't believe this pattern started when Caylee went missing. I think this is the "norm" for Cindy.

ETA: Peteygirl...our crossposts are eerily similar, no?

 

[Melanie]

That was exactly how I was thinking when I went to bed last night.

However, after reading here today, all of my old feelings of whether she is in denial, or simply lying have sprung up like green shoots in a field at springtime.

Or, in this case, like bamboo shoots in the backyard in summertime.



Mel

 

[wonders]

More of my useless thoughts rambling around in my empty noggin.

For me Cindy's "mistake" (Caylee) and Casey's "unwanted child" (Caylee) turned out to be just an accessory. Just as we would use accessories to try to dress up an old ugly outfit. Ya know add a necklace, earings, braclet and throw on that great pair of heels we brought the other day. Oh well, that is not working at all anymore I'm so mad I'll just walk down the street and throw this horrible outfit in that swamp that I used to play in and no one will ever know that it even exsisted.
My heart breaks for Caylee over and over and over.

 

[fla-pa]

Another contradiction in what Cindy said: She believes Casey had a mental disorder like post-partum schizophrenia, or a brain tumor or seizure disorder causing personality changes, yet states that Casey couldn't have killed Caylee because she was such a great mother and loved Caylee so much. So if the death was an accident, why does Casey's behavior need to be attributed to a mental disorder? On the other hand, if she has a mental disorder affecting her behavior, how can Cindy be so sure it didn't lead to killing her child?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I tended to sense the clips I saw on HLN were scripted/planned. It seemed that they had roles. GA's role was moral outrage and to say all of the right things to clear his name while CA's role was to dilute and rehabilitate FCA (and thus herself).

CA worked hard on some fanciful explanations to excuse FCA and herself ... but the dumping of Caylee's remains excuse crossed all lines of common decency.

I would not be surprised if this wasn't well planned in terms of topics, messages, roles, etc in coordination with DT/FCA ... at least by CA.

I dont think any of it was planned. Cindy would never plan for George to disagree with her about a single thing ever.. much less voice an opinion for all the world to hear that he thought Casey drugged her daughter killing her and then threw her body away.

You could have cut the tension with a knife in parts of this interview.

They were no team...........they were as different as fire and ice.

Now you certainly could be right about Cindy still supporting the DT. She sure wasnt supporting Caylee. She was too busy making ridiculous excuses for her chosen one.

I think George caught hell when they got home and Cindy is going to make him pay heavily for going against her.

IMO

 

[Melanie]

I said they MAY get more interviews,not that they will!! I hope they dont!!

Unfortunately, I do see a People cover on these 2 in the near future.

Grieving Grandparents - How are they Coping with the Death of their Grandaughter.

JMHO - but I see People doing a cover in light of them being on the Dr. P show and the ratings increase. It could mean big sales for them.

I sure hope not...but I can almost see it now.

MOO

Mel

 

[Mountain_Kat]

More of my useless thoughts rambling around in my empty noggin.

For me Cindy's "mistake" (Caylee) and Casey's "unwanted child" (Caylee) turned out to be just an accessory. Just as we would use accessories to try to dress up an old ugly outfit. Ya know add a necklace, earings, braclet and throw on that great pair of heels we brought the other day. Oh well, that is not working at all anymore I'm so mad I'll just walk down the street and throw this horrible outfit in that swamp that I used to play in and no one will ever know that it even exsisted.
My heart breaks for Caylee over and over and over.

I think that might well be true of Casey, but I don't have a doubt in my mind that Cindy truly adored that child.

 

[cyberborg]

Hello to all my fellow WS’s....haven’t been around here much, but could not miss out on posting about Dr. Phil’s interview with the As.
First of all, WOW. Just. WOW. I have never seen anything quite like Cindy. A mental health professional would have a field day. Of course, I have said that all along. But the level of denial is such that I have never seen in my life. I do have to say, though, that since I have removed myself from the Anthony Circus....I viewed the interview with much more objectivity than I ever could have before.
I only wish Dr. Phil would have asked George “why are you still with this woman?”...but who am I to say, right?

This was the biggest thing that jumped out at me from the second part.....when Cindy made the statement that “from what I understand, Caylee was not where Casey thought she was...”
WOW. What an admission. That sure puts Domick Casey’s search into focus for me. He looked where he was told to look...the body was not there. Of course, anybody with two brain cells would realize the bag had floated during the hurricane. Of course it wasn’t in the EXACT SPOT....but still triple bagged, in the woods. Good Lord.Can’t wait to hear about JB calling Cindy in to tell her his strategy. He evidently wanted her, not George. Can we say “Patsy”..... Oh and George better watch what he says about his precious CEO daughter on national TV...she might bring him up on molestation charges. Now that would be a hoot, huh?

So all in all.....here’s what I think....George knows and is pissed....Cindy knows but can’t let herself go there. Dr. Phil wanted to shake Cindy’s head right off her shoulders. Casey’s mental illness evidently came from the maternal side.

Does anybody know when the other interview portions will be shown?

BBM.

Yes ... thus CA had to admit that FCA knew where Caylee was and tried to trivialize her act ... so appalling to try to rationalize that.

 

[natsound]

I think so, too. I believe Cindy knows the truth and has known for a long time but she just will not accept it. She is doing all she can to convince herself that Casey is not a bad person and is not responsible for Caylee's death. Even if Cindy ever admits Casey did this she will temper her beliefs with there being some reason for it beyond Casey's control, etc. Cindy does not like the truth so she refuses to accept it. Instead she makes up her own version of events, hoping that if she spouts enough of this others will come around to her way of thinking. I mean, she actually does have a few supporters who sympathize with her and "can understand where Cindy is coming from."

Cindy is confusing her stance with love. She thinks this is how you love your daughter--by lying for her, and by denying the truth even when it hits you in the face. While I believe George knew the truth all along, I do believe he had trouble accepting it. What father wouldn't? The difference, IMO, is that George's denial was temporary and a necessary step he needed to take to arrive at acceptance. Cindy's denial is something much deeper because she is not at a point in the process where she is able to admit the truth (even though I believe she really does know it). I am not sure Cindy will ever be at that point. Cindy may forever lie to everyone, including herself.

You took the words right out of my mouth. :goodpost:

 

[Aedrys]

I think CA is "in denial" as part of a life-long coping mechanism AND "lying with purpose". These two are not mutually exclusive.

Denial IS lying, though the lie may have been "forgotten" long ago, it is still a lie however buried by time and pretense. Of course there are different kinds of lies, and with time lies change their consistency, but there is no distinction between "denial" and "lying", in my experience.

I think you're right because I think she enjoys being in denial. That is what has confused me. Usually people in full denial are miserable and a sad thing to watch. Yet Cindy seems to enjoy being in denial and playing her part. She's more aggravating to me, and I should feel sorry for someone in denial, but I've never felt sorry for Cindy. I think it's like a show to her, and she makes up her denial script as she goes along. Behind it, though, I think there is true denial that she is burying deep inside. I do think she thinks it's fun to play denial but not be in denial. She carefully crafts her world around her own truths and doesn't see anything as denial, not even lying and helping to cover up what happened to Caylee. I don't think she even realizes that there might be some true denial beyond her script. If she really doesn't care what other people think, then the only measure of denial she has is her own thoughts. And we all know how Cindy Anthony thinks. After all, she's better than anyone else on the planet. I hope I'm making sense here. I do think she's in denial, but I also think she's playacting denial at the same time, like it's a fun game to her. I think she believes she's better mentally than she really is. Those kind of people are very hard to reach.

 

[cityslick]

I disagree, we've already seen them, what is left??

You could of said that before the interview as well.

 

[natsound]

Its not denial - its delusion and very entrenched IMO -

I'm going with what the good Doctor (Phil) says... he's calling it denial...