Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

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  • #321
I think CA is "in denial" as part of a life-long coping mechanism AND "lying with purpose". These two are not mutually exclusive.

Denial IS lying, though the lie may have been "forgotten" long ago, it is still a lie however buried by time and pretense. Of course there are different kinds of lies, and with time lies change their consistency, but there is no distinction between "denial" and "lying", in my experience.
BBM.

I am seeing both right now. She obviously had been in denial before Caylee was ever born (Casey's pregnancy at her brother's wedding). I feel that Cindy's denial is due to a conscious choice, on her part, to deceive others in order to protect her own self image. While regular denial is usually an avoidance of the truth (because it's too painful), hers is more self serving, IMO.
 
  • #322
BBM.

I am seeing both right now. She obviously had been in denial before Caylee was ever born (Casey's pregnancy at her brother's wedding). I feel that Cindy's denial is due to a conscious choice, on her part, to deceive others in order to protect her own self image. While regular denial is usually an avoidance of the truth (because it's too painful), hers is more self serving, IMO.

Thank you!!!! You said it so much more succinctly than I could! I rambled on, but that is the point I was trying to make! She is choosing to be in denial to serve her own interests. That is exactly it. I have known people like that. They aren't avoiding the truth because it's too painful. Instead, they are choosing to believe what they want to believe regardless of what the reality is. That's what makes them so aggravating because no matter what you say, it's never going to change their minds. Their mind is already set on what they are going to believe no matter what.
 
  • #323
You could of said that before the interview as well.

Right or wrong, it is obvious by Dr. Phil's ratings that the Anthonys are marketable.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if other networks want to jump on the band wagon too.

IMO
 
  • #324
BBM.

Yes ... thus CA had to admit that FCA knew where Caylee was and tried to trivialize her act ... so appalling to try to rationalize that.

But it was HUGE to me that CA actually stated this on national TV. I bet when Casey saw that part of the interview she nearly blew a gasket.
"Mom....come on..." with her fist all bunched up....
 
  • #325
BBM.

I am seeing both right now. She obviously had been in denial before Caylee was ever born (Casey's pregnancy at her brother's wedding). I feel that Cindy's denial is due to a conscious choice, on her part, to deceive others in order to protect her own self image. While regular denial is usually an avoidance of the truth (because it's too painful), hers is more self serving, IMO.

Excellent deduction!

ITA with you!

IMO
 
  • #326
I think you're right because I think she enjoys being in denial. That is what has confused me. Usually people in full denial are miserable and a sad thing to watch. Yet Cindy seems to enjoy being in denial and playing her part. She's more aggravating to me, and I should feel sorry for someone in denial, but I've never felt sorry for Cindy. I think it's like a show to her, and she makes up her denial script as she goes along. Behind it, though, I think there is true denial that she is burying deep inside. I do think she thinks it's fun to play denial but not be in denial. She carefully crafts her world around her own truths and doesn't see anything as denial, not even lying and helping to cover up what happened to Caylee. I don't think she even realizes that there might be some true denial beyond her script. If she really doesn't care what other people think, then the only measure of denial she has is her own thoughts. And we all know how Cindy Anthony thinks. After all, she's better than anyone else on the planet. I hope I'm making sense here. I do think she's in denial, but I also think she's playacting denial at the same time, like it's a fun game to her. I think she believes she's better mentally than she really is. Those kind of people are very hard to reach.

BBM

I have no knowledge of psychology but I'd love to know how it's possible to be in denial plus fake being in denial on top of that.

To me it sound like someone who living a lie and then lies about the lies. I guess it's possible but that sounds like some crazy mental issue.
 
  • #327
Right or wrong, it is obvious by Dr. Phil's ratings that the Anthonys are marketable.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if other networks want to jump on the band wagon too.

IMO

That was why I posted this morning that same thought is probably running through FCA (or whoever is trying to market her). If the parents are marketable, then in turn isn't she?
 
  • #328
I wonder why Cindy chose to say that FCA knew where the remains were, on national TV. She sure didn't give anything else away. There is a purpose behind this release of information, I'm just not sure what it is yet.
 
  • #329
That was why I posted this morning that same thought is probably running through FCA (or whoever is trying to market her). If the parents are marketable, then in turn isn't she?

I disagree or at least I am hopeful that once the story is told there won't be anymore to say and there won't be anyone that wants to hear anymore about it. Why would anyone want to hear the same thing over and over again. I watched yesterday and I don't need to watch the same thing again. It is like seeing a bad movie more than one time---why would you do that? jmo
 
  • #330
I wonder why Cindy chose to say that FCA knew where the remains were, on national TV. She sure didn't give anything else away. There is a purpose behind this release of information, I'm just not sure what it is yet.

I think it has to do with distancing George. Someone had to know where the body was. If she doesn't say it was Casey, then people will think it was George. I think she was trying to help distance George from what happened to Caylee. No matter how much she loves Casey, I do think she loves George and doesn't want him connected to what happened to Caylee. So one more way to do that is to say that Casey knew where the body was. And then she'll make up more stuff to cover for Casey and try to make it seem like Casey knowing where the body was wasn't a big deal because it wasn't where Casey said it was. She's speaking out of both sides of her mouth to protect George and absolve Casey.

I think the message she's sending is that I love you, Casey, and I forgive you, but I'm not blaming your father for what happened to Caylee. He at least doesn't deserve that. But I'll still lie and cover for you too because I forgive you and want you back in my life.
 
  • #331
I think it has to do with distancing George. Someone had to know where the body was. If she doesn't say it was Casey, then people will think it was George. I think she was trying to help distance George from what happened to Caylee. No matter how much she loves Casey, I do think she loves George and doesn't want him connected to what happened to Caylee. So one more way to do that is to say that Casey knew where the body was. And then she'll make up more stuff to cover for Casey and try to make it seem like that Casey knowing where the body was wasn't a big deal because it wasn't where Casey said it was. She's speaking out of both sides of her mouth to protect George and absolve Casey.

I think the message she's sending is that I love you, Casey, and I forgive you, but I'm not blaming your father for what happened to Caylee. He at least doesn't deserve that. But I'll lie and still cover for you too because I love you.


I have to say that after watching the interview yesterday, I believe George has it. He can now freely agree with the DA and by doing so he is showing that he is the only one in that family that has any sense or courage to admit what is so blatantly obvious. jmo
 
  • #332
I wonder why Cindy chose to say that FCA knew where the remains were, on national TV. She sure didn't give anything else away. There is a purpose behind this release of information, I'm just not sure what it is yet.



It might be giving CA too much credit to believe there is a purpose for everything she says. I know what you mean, but she has been known to speak before she thinks.
 
  • #333
BBM

I have no knowledge of psychology but I'd love to know how it's possible to be in denial plus fake being in denial on top of that.

I have to agree with you on that one.
 
  • #334
Do you believe Cindy should have foreseen what Casey would do? Casey was a theif and liar and Cindy was PISSED about it.

No,I don't think she should have foreseen that Casey would brutally murder Caylee,but she was aware that Casey was extremely selfish ,probably lying about working (remember ,George checked out one fake job and Cindy got mad at HIM ) ,and willing to steal from her very sick grandfather. Big Red Flags.
Cindy's mother told someone else in an e-mail that the counselor told Cindy to throw Casey out . Why would she tell Cindy that ,if Casey was so wonderful?
Looking at it another way ,why not if Casey was such a good mother with a wonderful job? Why couldn't she take care of Caylee herself? Other 20 somethings do it.
Cindy knew as soon as she smelled the car something BIG was wrong and she had not talked to or seen Caylee for a month. She may have tried to stay in denial that day,but as soon as Casey's lies were discovered by LE ,she knew. She knew.
JMO
 
  • #335
Myself I can't see whats left to hear from these two. I've asked myself why I watched the interviews, I wasn't going to but I did. Maybe because I was hoping they would say something that could be used against the felon. We have no closure to little Caylees death, maybe thats what I was looking for. Maybe I thought Dr. Phil could get something out of them that the rest of us missed. Maybe it's because I wanted CA to defend Caylee, just once hear something come out of her mouth to defend her grandaughter and that didn't happen. Even after the felon beat the rap and was released, CA can't say one thing to defend little Caylee. After seeing CA still in her delusional state, still making excuses, I don't see Caylee ever getting justice. I feel like I'm done with them. What upsets me is after hearing CA speak there are still people that feel she is genuine, that their foundation is worth donating to. They still believe these two deserve their sympathy..I don't.
 
  • #336
Right or wrong, it is obvious by Dr. Phil's ratings that the Anthonys are marketable.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if other networks want to jump on the band wagon too.

IMO

Yes, the flood gates may be open. We'll see.
 
  • #337
It might be giving CA too much credit to believe there is a purpose for everything she says. I know what you mean, but she has been known to speak before she thinks.
This is true, but I take great pride in the ability to pick out, any Anthony family, deception tricks. I am constantly on guard for this, see I've been burned too many times. :maddening:
 
  • #338
How sickening that she would even have an opinion on what her parents do within their marriage! Shows how much power she had within that family.

She didn't want George to come back because he confronted her about her life of lies . He checked out her fake job at the sporting goods store .He wanted to check her trunk for the gas can. George wasn't willing to just let Casey live her lie . Casey knew Cindy would huff and puff ,but let her continue stealing and partying.
JMO
 
  • #339
Myself I can't see whats left to hear from these two. I've asked myself why I watched the interviews, I wasn't going to but I did. Maybe because I was hoping they would say something that could be used against the felon. We have no closure to little Caylees death, maybe thats what I was looking for. Maybe I thought Dr. Phil could get something out of them that the rest of us missed. Maybe it's because I wanted CA to defend Caylee, just once hear something come out of her mouth to defend her grandaughter and that didn't happen. Even after the felon beat the rap and was released, CA can't say one thing to defend little Caylee. After seeing CA still in her delusional state, still making excuses, I don't see Caylee ever getting justice. I feel like I'm done with them. What upsets me is after hearing CA speak there are still people that feel she is genuine, that their foundation is worth donating to. They still believe these two deserve their sympathy..I don't.
From the promos for Monday's Dr. Phil show ,he asks Cindy about committing perjury and what she would do if Casey said she wanted to come home.
 
  • #340
I have to say that after watching the interview yesterday, I believe George has it. He can now freely agree with the DA and by doing so he is showing that he is the only one in that family that has any sense or courage to admit what is so blatantly obvious. jmo

Yes, but too bad he didn't do it when it counted. Like during the 3 years of the investigation...the trial....just sayin'.
 
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