Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[MsMacGyver]

Not sure what CA and GA might feel as far as remorse or guilt but my guess is that the felon feels nothing. I believe the felon to be a sociopath and as such is unable to experience true human emotions for anyone other than herself. She might feel fear, but only when she feels threatened. She might sense when someone loves or adores her, but she is incapable of loving them back. I do not think the felon has ever had the capacity to love anyone, not even her kin--parents/sibling/child. I do not think the felon misses Caylee or has ever shed even one tear for her. It is possible that the grandparents did love and now miss Caylee, but I think it is a safe bet that the felon moved on immediately and has not looked back.

Remember when the felon was arrested and walked through the door with her hands cuffed and that #82 target shirt. Just before she walked through the door she was looking down but as soon as she came through the door and saw the cameras, that smile/smirk of defiance came to her face. I always thought she looked like this was all funny to her, like she thought she was in some kind of movie...:sick:

 

[krkrjx]

And don't forget the phone call to LA..your sister is in alot of trouble.
Very telling...and where was GA, the head of the household..at work with his head in the sand.

I cannot forget Lee asking Casey, "Is this like the last time?"

WTH was that all about, I would like to know!

CA and GA both have said Caylee was never out of their home for more than a day until the 31 days. But they lie so easily that we do not know what statements might be true. Could Casey have taken Caylee away for days or weeks at a time prior to June 2008 but brought her back safely each time? Did both CA and GA tell themselves she would come home safely this time as well?

What other things had Casey done that her mother cleaned up for her? Did Cindy just automatically go into "fix things by cleaning up this mess" mode because she was used to doing this over the years?

 

[Azcrabcakes]

Snipping this part...



I've met a lot of them. Even if I hadn't read enough on grief to know that spending money is something that many grieving people do, I've seen enough people do it in my own personal life that I know it's a reality. I just can't judge anybody who does that. One person sits and cries, another spends money or does other things.

Right you are! I totally agree with each person grieves differently. I can retract that part. While I HATE shopping, I have done it in times of stress.... but I still think they seem cavalier about the whole mess.

 

[NavySubMom]

Remember when the felon was arrested and walked through the door with her hands cuffed and that #82 target shirt. Just before she walked through the door she was looking down but as soon as she came through the door and saw the cameras, that smile/smirk of defiance came to her face. I always thought she looked like this was all funny to her, like she thought she was in some kind of movie...:sick:

Yes, for some reason I keep seeing that clip replayed on TV lately on shows discussing the felon, I think HLN. IMO, she looks like she is COMPLETELY ENJOYING herself in that clip, LOVING the attention, even though she was on her way to jail..... kind of like in the mornings/after lunch during the trial when she strutted in before the jury came in, she looked like she was having the time of her life. walking into court during her death penalty trial, she's smiling and acting like she is at a party. What a piece of work she is. IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[Justin Tyme]

Someone opined upthread (I can't remember who it was...sorry) that perhaps Caylee was in the wheel well when the car was found and CA and LA may have been the ones to put her in the swamp. That is an interesting thought, and would account for CA's cavalier attitude towards the way that Caylee's remains were treated. It would also explain her need to retain a lawyer for all of this time.

I kind of wonder that if this were true though, why they wouldn't have taken the duct tape off of her head, and also why they wouldn't have taken more care in hiding her. But really, at this point, I put NOTHING past these people and if CA actually was involved in the disposal of Caylee, it would actually explain a lot. JMO. :twocents:

Well, if one is to go with this theory, if she were triple bagged perhaps they wouldn't know that the duct tape were there if OCA omitted that portion and they didn't open the bag.

When you go back and look at the jail house visit tapes, she was telling her family that she was trying to tell them where Caylee was but no one was listening, OR perhaps they were, her family was listening. She was throwing out clues for them. One was, She's close. Perhaps we should go back and listen to all the tapes again. I'm sure there's more clues that she gave them that we would now see as a clues being that we know now where her remains were found.

 

[MsMacGyver]

Someone opined upthread (I can't remember who it was...sorry) that perhaps Caylee was in the wheel well when the car was found and CA and LA may have been the ones to put her in the swamp. That is an interesting thought, and would account for CA's cavalier attitude towards the way that Caylee's remains were treated. It would also explain her need to retain a lawyer for all of this time.

I kind of wonder that if this were true though, why they wouldn't have taken the duct tape off of her head, and also why they wouldn't have taken more care in hiding her. But really, at this point, I put NOTHING past these people and if CA actually was involved in the disposal of Caylee, it would actually explain a lot. JMO. :twocents:

CA's comment on Dr. P does explain..IMO..why CA's PI was in the area looking for Caylee. He was supposely talking to a psychic, but I think CA sent him there to find her and tamper with her remains. Destroying yet more evidence against the felon. Only problem was he wasn't alone, discovered he was being taped.
Thats been the biggest road block in this whole case. Too many lies, too much greed. If RK would have walked up the street and grabbed the media in August, Caylee might have been found then. He was more worried about the reward money. How can a case be so full of obstacles, sometimes I think it just sounds like a bad novel....:sheesh:

 

[MissJames]

Remember when the felon was arrested and walked through the door with her hands cuffed and that #82 target shirt. Just before she walked through the door she was looking down but as soon as she came through the door and saw the cameras, that smile/smirk of defiance came to her face. I always thought she looked like this was all funny to her, like she thought she was in some kind of movie...:sick:

She looked happy to be there,even with her hands in cuffs behind her back.
It was almost as though that's what she wanted.Maybe she was thinking about how freaked out and angry Cindy would be and she was glad.

 

[MissJames]

With the publicity that Dr, Phil is giving their foundation ,I'm even more upset that the SA's decided not to charge Cindy with perjury. She's still free to do a lot a damage .

 

[MissJames]

And let's not forget that CA knows she did not search chloroform. jmo

To me ,that's the biggest clue that Cindy is not IN denial ,she is simply denying by lying.

When Cindy made the statement about God giving her a sign with Casey's acquittal,I don't think she meant (in her own mind) Casey didn't kill Caylee,only that God had forgiven her and wanted her to have another chance. In that frame of mind she could justify everything she did to cover up for Casey. IMO, Cindy truly believes God is on her side and approves her actions.

 

[Omachka]

I cannot forget Lee asking Casey, "Is this like the last time?"

WTH was that all about, I would like to know!

CA and GA both have said Caylee was never out of their home for more than a day until the 31 days. But they lie so easily that we do not know what statements might be true. Could Casey have taken Caylee away for days or weeks at a time prior to June 2008 but brought her back safely each time? Did both CA and GA tell themselves she would come home safely this time as well?

What other things had Casey done that her mother cleaned up for her? Did Cindy just automatically go into "fix things by cleaning up this mess" mode because she was used to doing this over the years?

BBM I have wondered exactly the same thing about the "is this like last time" question. I also wondered if this was truly Casey's first child but I know that's far-fetched. I wish Dr. Phil would ask about that. I'd like to hear what they have to say about whether this is like "last time".

 

[MissJames]

Well, if one is to go with this theory, if she were triple bagged perhaps they wouldn't know that the duct tape were there if OCA omitted that portion and they didn't open the bag.

When you go back and look at the jail house visit tapes, she was telling her family that she was trying to tell them where Caylee was but no one was listening, OR perhaps they were, her family was listening. She was throwing out clues for them. One was, She's close. Perhaps we should go back and listen to all the tapes again. I'm sure there's more clues that she gave them that we would now see as a clues being that we know now where her remains were found.

Jose was taking letters to and from the Anthony's when he visited Casey. He also got special permission to take his laptop into meetings with Casey.
I've always wondered if those hugs he was scolded for were to pass contraband.
I don't trust him one little bit.
But you know what ? He got away with it. Every unethical trick he pulled worked and he got her acquitted.
Maybe Dr. Phil will confront him next.

 

[MsMacGyver]

I cannot forget Lee asking Casey, "Is this like the last time?"

WTH was that all about, I would like to know!

CA and GA both have said Caylee was never out of their home for more than a day until the 31 days. But they lie so easily that we do not know what statements might be true. Could Casey have taken Caylee away for days or weeks at a time prior to June 2008 but brought her back safely each time? Did both CA and GA tell themselves she would come home safely this time as well?

What other things had Casey done that her mother cleaned up for her? Did Cindy just automatically go into "fix things by cleaning up this mess" mode because she was used to doing this over the years?

I remember LA stating that the felon had been putting the family through hard times for a year before this happened. I could very easily see the felon acting out in very jealous, cruel fits of anger, rage... as well as CA.
Poor Caylee was caught in a tug of war between these two nut jobs and GA or LA should have stepped in and put a stop to both of these..so called mothers.
Speaking from experience it's very hard for a mother and daughter to live in the same house when the daughter has a child. You feel like your always walking a fine line between guiding her and trying hard not to interfere. As careful as I was, we still bumped heads. I can't imagine what would have happened if I had behaved like CA, treating my daughter like dirt, throwing things in her face and asking my grandson to call me mom...WOW
CA and the felon had a love- hate thing going on and I think the hate won.
I have always felt that CA did push too hard but not at making the felon shape up. I think she took the hate too far and the felon really showed her who was boss by killing Caylee, out of spite. She even says this to LA, maybe I am a spiteful b****. Who called her a spiteful B in the first place? The felon knew her time was limited so she figured she was going to party those 31 days till the cows came home. She had stolen one of CA's credit cards to do it with! Did CA ever go in and checks her charges during those 31 days? When LE finally got her in that room at Universal, she would not break. Yuri even commented, they had 3 veteran cops and she bucked them every step of the way. What kind of abuse would a person have been subjected to, to be able to withstand that kind of pressure. Someone who had no conscience, who would be calloused to abuse. Maybe if the truth be known the reason GA didn't step in is because CA did take care of things.
Caylee couldn't talk but if you remember the last video, she was reading that book. She says Moma, Papa and then she talks angry...Interesting.

 

[krkrjx]

CA's comment on Dr. P does explain..IMO..why CA's PI was in the area looking for Caylee. He was supposely talking to a psychic, but I think CA sent him there to find her and tamper with her remains. Destroying yet more evidence against the felon. Only problem was he wasn't alone, discovered he was being taped.
Thats been the biggest road block in this whole case. Too many lies, too much greed. If RK would have walked up the street and grabbed the media in August, Caylee might have been found then. He was more worried about the reward money. How can a case be so full of obstacles, sometimes I think it just sounds like a bad novel....:sheesh:

I agree with every word except about RK and the reward money. I think RK expected the body to be found when he reported what he had seen. I do not think he felt the need to get the media involved or was thinking about a reward--he knew he was not eligible to collect the reward and at that time he had no way of knowing that he would get anything for his efforts. I question why he was not a bit more insistent in his second call to LE after the body was not found the first time. I have entertained the idea that DC was really sent there to look for anything incriminating left behind at the scene--a cell phone or a piece of jewelry perhaps? It may or may not have been CA who sent him. Or...it may or may not have been JB.

All JMO.

 

[krkrjx]

I remember LA stating that the felon had been putting the family through hard times for a year before this happened. I could very easily see the felon acting out in very jealous, cruel fits of anger, rage... as well as CA.
Poor Caylee was caught in a tug of war between these two nut jobs and GA or LA should have stepped in and put a stop to both of these..so called mothers.Speaking from experience it's very hard for a mother and daughter to live in the same house when the daughter has a child. You feel like your always walking a fine line between guiding her and trying hard not to interfere. As careful as I was, we still bumped heads. I can't imagine what would have happened if I had behaved like CA, treating my daughter like dirt, throwing things in her face and asking my grandson to call me mom...WOW
CA and the felon had a love- hate thing going on and I think the hate won.
I have always felt that CA did push too hard but not at making the felon shape up. I think she took the hate too far and the felon really showed her who was boss by killing Caylee, out of spite. She even says this to LA, maybe I am a spiteful b****. Who called her a spiteful B in the first place? The felon knew her time was limited so she figured she was going to party those 31 days till the cows came home. She had stolen one of CA's credit cards to do it with! Did CA ever go in and checks her charges during those 31 days? When LE finally got her in that room at Universal, she would not break. Yuri even commented, they had 3 veteran cops and she bucked them every step of the way. What kind of abuse would a person have been subjected to, to be able to withstand that kind of pressure. Someone who had no conscience, who would be calloused to abuse. Maybe if the truth be known the reason GA didn't step in is because CA did take care of things.
Caylee couldn't talk but if you remember the last video, she was reading that book. She says Moma, Papa and then she talks angry...Interesting.

If these *men* had stepped up to the plate this tragedy might not have happlened. I do believe that in that household the females ruled and the males just did their bidding, whatever it was. Some households are like that...governed by a matriarch rather than a patriarch.

 

[MsMacGyver]

BBM I have wondered exactly the same thing about the "is this like last time" question. I also wondered if this was truly Casey's first child but I know that's far-fetched. I wish Dr. Phil would ask about that. I'd like to hear what they have to say about whether this is like "last time".

I don't think any idea is too far fetched when it comes to this case. It may be the one you have to think way out of the box on.

 

[marge_rita]

This statement begs the question...How far is CA willing to go to protect her image, her childrens image?...Is there a line she wouldn't cross?
I see in CA this bone she has grabbed onto and will not let go. Her "smirk" of defiance towards anyone that dare question her or her own. I would very much like to slap that smirk right off her face. Trouble is, wouldn't make any difference....:banghead:... Maybe she really believes she is being a good mother protecting her felon BUT...what about Caylee? This has been such a huge question for me. The felon is an adult , Caylee was a child who deserves her protection more. It doesn't matter if she's dead, you just can't shrug your shoulders and say Oh Well, but she can. The felon is free, she's still breathing, Caylee isn't. Is CA so blind or stupid that she doesn't see the irony..She's on national TV defending her felon but asking for donations for her Grandparents foundation...:maddening:...GA is a waste of space...You want to see courage GA, check out the stories on here about Grandparents who really are brave, who really fight for their grandchildren. They don't sit around on their hands waiting for one to turn up dead before they take action. They don't use words like possibly or claim in their hearts to believe something. They do something....

Is there a line CA wouldn't cross for her daughter? I don't think so.

CA admitted she removed certain items from kc's car after it was driven home from the tow yard.

CA admitted she washed clothes she took out of kc's car.

CA lied on to the media and during her interview with LE,imo.

SHE LIED ON THE STAND for her daughter.

CA is despicable and would do anything for her daughter who imo caused her own daughter's death.

imo

 

[Penelope]

Is CA so blind or stupid that she doesn't see the irony..She's on national TV defending her felon but asking for donations for her Grandparents foundation...

Thank you MsMacGyver -- I wish that this fact can be tweeted and emailed to everyone, broadcast on every tv, cable and radio station, and posted on billboards across America.

IMO, it is outrageous that Cindy Anthony defends her murdering daughter while asking for donations for the "Caylees Fund" Foundation, the 3 objectives of the foundation being: grandparents rights, help for missing & exploited children, and backing the proposed Caylee’s Law. (Source is at this link, unfortunately -- the caseyanthonyisinnocent website)

People need to know this so that this (IMO) sham foundation is not able to raise much money.

 

[okiedokietoo]

CA's comment on Dr. P does explain..IMO..why CA's PI was in the area looking for Caylee. He was supposely talking to a psychic, but I think CA sent him there to find her and tamper with her remains. Destroying yet more evidence against the felon. Only problem was he wasn't alone, discovered he was being taped.
Thats been the biggest road block in this whole case. Too many lies, too much greed. If RK would have walked up the street and grabbed the media in August, Caylee might have been found then. He was more worried about the reward money. How can a case be so full of obstacles, sometimes I think it just sounds like a bad novel....:sheesh:

ITA with all of your post Except BBM part Because if I try to put myself in his head in August and make myself somewhat shy in front of crowds (as seen in presser he gave after remains were found) I can't imagine that if he was not 150% sure and had gotten within a foot of the remains to be sure, that he wouldn't have taken the chance to call the media in, just in case he was wrong and would have been humiliated. I'm not shy, and I wouldn't have called the media in unless I had gotten within touching range. RK did not have anything to do with the death of Caylee. He is not a family member of Caylee's. It is not his fault that Caylee's remains weren't found earlier. fca & anyone (CA GA JB DC) else connected to her that knew before December are to blame. IMO There is nothing diabolical about him wanting the reward money.

 

[MsMacGyver]

There are so many questions left with this case, whether they will be answered, only time will tell. I can tell you this, sometimes what you see is not what you get. Many have speculated on all involved and their motives, characters.
I was married to a man for almost 20 years. He was insecure, controlling, abusive and drank. He wanted me to do what he said, when he said, he wanted me to be the person HE wanted me to be. I refused. The more abuse I got, the more kindness I gave. I was a fixer. After 20 years he finally got what he wanted, I was on my knees sobbing and begging him to leave me alone. Of course I divorced him, received counseling, worked hard to heal myself. A guy I worked with walked up to me one day and said, I don't know why you divorced this guy, my sister-in-law brought him to the house, he drank pepsi and was very nice. After I picked my jaw off the floor I told him well, if you like your sister-in-law can come over to my house and I will show her the holes in my walls that I refused to fix as a reminder to never let myself be treated that way again and I will show her the police report where he threatened to kill me, thought OJ had a good idea and show her the 357 slug he gave me and said this is for you. If your sister-in-law knows whats good for her she will run, not walk to the nearest exit.
Now the reason I tell you this is to make a point. We have watched these people for 3+ years but we don't know who they really are. We can only speculate from what we do know. I can tell you this, the felon will live the rest of her life always having to watch her back, not knowing if some nut job is going to take justice into his own hands. The A's may think this is a game but what they say on national TV may just come back to haunt them...They just keep digging that hole, they don't know when to quit and for what..donations, repair their image, justify the felons actions, to tell their side of the story...thats just what it is, a story..try telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth..see how that works out for you because the lying doesn't seem to be working out so well. None of us are buying it.

 

[LambChop]

To me ,that's the biggest clue that Cindy is not IN denial ,she is simply denying by lying.

When Cindy made the statement about God giving her a sign with Casey's acquittal,I don't think she meant (in her own mind) Casey didn't kill Caylee,only that God had forgiven her and wanted her to have another chance. In that frame of mind she could justify everything she did to cover up for Casey. IMO, Cindy truly believes God is on her side and approves her actions.

If this were true and how she thinks you would think she would wonder why God didn't stop KC from killing Caylee. People kill people and juries decide whether to let them go free. jmo