Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[krkrjx]

Cindy won't let GA go. The only possibility would be if she has another man. She couldn't spend one night alone..she is an extreme codependent. Now if the felon moves back in, that could work. They love and hate each other so much that they may kill each other...which, come think of it........?

I don't think Casey will move back in. I think she will use Cindy from a distance, and Cindy will allow it if it is the only way she can have contact with the felon.

JMO

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Can anyone point me to where today's Dr. Phil show discussion begins? I've searched this thread and can't find it. Sure wish a new thread had been started for today.

I'm not interested in watching the whole show, just want to know the outcome. Cliff Notes version, please. :wink:

TIA

 

[grammieto5]

Quote:
Originally Posted by grammieto5
I’ll be thinking of you everyday Cindy---stay strong. I now believe CA never cared for Caylee. I believe CA's lack of feeling for Caylee comes from CA feelings towards Caylee's father. I still believe in KARMA, it's gonna get you CA

Karma has already gotten Cindy; what else can happen to her. Her granddaughter is dead and her daughter killed her.

Cindy loved Caylee very much, but she never thought her daughter would kill her, never. Who would think that. She just figured she is irresponsible and I want Caylee here so I don't want to rock the KC boat. But she knew that things were coming to a head and they may have come to a head June 15th and they had a huge argument.

I also think Cindy wanted a baby in the house. She is a registered nurse and she knew KC was pregnant and let it go. She knew that she was too immature to have a child and take care of her, but Cindy, imo, wanted a baby in the house.

Knowing all of this about Cindy, I still don't believe that she needs to be knocked down anymore than she has. The woman is living in profound denial and this denial is about a scintilla of an inch below the surface. It is not even a subconcious awareness, she is AWARE that her daughter killed Caylee. She just can't admit this or she has to admit that she failed. I don't know how much more karma one needs, but she has gotten hers for sure. It is very hard to feel compassion for Cindy especially when she is smug in the interviews, but she is suffering still. She does not need to be nailed to the cross.

WOW talk about being taken out of context! The way this is posted it looks like I was threatening CA-"I'll be thinking of you every day" why not quote the whole letter?
and then you quote what I wrote about KARMA??? K

 

[Whisperer]

I agree. Cindy treats him like carp anyway. She acts like she's perfect and he's this villian. Just because he did some online gambling and supposedly had an affair I don't think that's any worse then her lies and her behavior in general. a lot of men have had affairs who have had the best relationships. Even if GA had an affair I wouldn't blame him. Living in that house with FCA and CA would be enough to make someone do anything including having an affair. He needs to get out of that TOXIC environment and you know darn well CA will take FCA back in a heartbeat. The two can sit around crying about how Caylee drowned and it was only her shell out there rotting in the woods. They both sicken me and that is where FCA got her sickness from good ole MOM.

After the online Gambling he did with his own money, she exiled him and took his name off the house. We all see how well cindy handles money. They were filing bankruptcy/foreclosure till Caylee died. Then the high-profile status moved them up the ladder and the new law became available to them. Their $700 mortgage that they couldn't pay went away and was reduced to about $200.

She was earning eight times her mortgage, alone, and she got the deal of a lifetime putting needy people at the back of the line.

 

[krkrjx]

Yes. It was an awful, awkward, stilted and completely unbelievable OS. None of it made a bit of sense. I still don't understand how anyone could believe one word of it. I was a little surprised the A's didn't point out a couple more things about it that didn't make any sense. Like who in the world looks for a child who begs to swim every day, under beds, in closets and in the garage before checking the pool.

...and who in the world puts duct tape over the mouth of a child who has accidentally drowned, wraps her in bags and tosses her in the woods?

Who makes an accident look like a murder? Nobody does this. Nobody.

That the jurors could not see that is just another sick aspect to this case. And that Phil McGraw did not pursue this shows what his motive was for doing these shows.

 

[grammieto5]

Originally Posted by grammieto5
I’ll be thinking of you everyday Cindy---stay strong. I now believe CA never cared for Caylee. I believe CA's lack of feeling for Caylee comes from CA feelings towards Caylee's father. I still believe in KARMA, it's gonna get you CA

Karma has already gotten Cindy; what else can happen to her. Her granddaughter is dead and her daughter killed her.

Cindy loved Caylee very much, but she never thought her daughter would kill her, never. Who would think that. She just figured she is irresponsible and I want Caylee here so I don't want to rock the KC boat. But she knew that things were coming to a head and they may have come to a head June 15th and they had a huge argument.

I also think Cindy wanted a baby in the house. She is a registered nurse and she knew KC was pregnant and let it go. She knew that she was too immature to have a child and take care of her, but Cindy, imo, wanted a baby in the house.

Knowing all of this about Cindy, I still don't believe that she needs to be knocked down anymore than she has. The woman is living in profound denial and this denial is about a scintilla of an inch below the surface. It is not even a subconcious awareness, she is AWARE that her daughter killed Caylee. She just can't admit this or she has to admit that she failed. I don't know how much more karma one needs, but she has gotten hers for sure. It is very hard to feel compassion for Cindy especially when she is smug in the interviews, but she is suffering still. She does not need to be nailed to the cross.

WOW talk about being taken out of context, this feels like a threat to me, why didn't you quote my whole letter? KARMA comes in many ways, I doubt one of them is being nailed to a cross.

 

[Just K]

I listened VERY CAREFULLY to Jose Baez's Exact Words: I was certain that he said: "If you live in Orlando how many parties are there on a Monday Night!" Turns out he said: " If you live in Orlando, you know there's not that many parties on a Monday afternoon." BUT then he added : "And all they did that evening was go out and rent a video."


It's Jose playing with words and times once again to leave or create doubt and confusion.
http://abc.go.com/watch/the-view/SH559080/VD55143614/the-view-919
2/3 of the way in at 18:13 to 20:04

(Just quoting my own post for context)

Does Jose Baez think that it is okay to have a date just a few hours after your 2 and 1/2 year old child supposedly drowns and to watch movies and stay in bed with your fairly new boyfriend until noon the next day!?? He is preposterous and so is his client.

 

[Whisperer]

cindy floats in the river of denial and travels downstream to the sea of lies.

The thought of feeling sorry for her is compromised by her love for money and feelings on entitlement.

 

[panthera]

I remember that awful, awkward, stilted statement and how JB delivered it. It sounded made up on the spot to me though it probably came from FCA. Who on Earth thinks you get a life sentence for neglect? Unbelievable.

That and the statement "your mother will never forgive you". Wasn't the theory that Cindy left the pool ladder up so Caylee could climb it to get into the pool to drown? Seems contradictory as it would be expected for Cindy to be blaming herself if she was the one who left the ladder in place to allow Caylee to drown. The O/S as well as the rest of the "theory" wasn't well thought out.

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[MaryAnn]

Because George is spineless. He had all that time to stand up for Caylee and he chose not too. He had to wait until it was too late, in a public place on national TV to assert his feelings for the first time because he's so dominated by Cindy.

The truth seems to be that him and Cindy are two delusional peas in a pod. His untruths on the stand were actually probably even more damaging to the state's case than Cindy. He was the one the jurors' had to believe because he was the co-conspirator implicated by the defense. From the first time he got on the stand and told the obviously fictional account of the last time he saw Caylee (which is demonstrably false because it contradicts his FBI depo) to his lying about his relationship with River Cruz, he made himself an unbelievable witness. After hearing the way Cindy's tone of voice got sharp when River Cruz came up in the Dr Phil interview, it's obvious to me that George lied about RC on the stand because he didn't want Cindy to get mad at him about it...he cared about that more than the truth.

I wonder if GA had been truthful about the affair if the verdict would have been different? Who cares what CA thinks! He should have told the truth. How can she throw him out? He has lived there the whole time too wouldn't the house be split if they went through a divorce?

 

[Whisperer]

(Just quoting my own post for context)

Does Jose Baez think that it is okay to have a date just a few hours after your 2 and 1/2 supposedly drowns and to watch movies and stay in bed with your fairly new boyfriend until noon the next day!?? He is preposterous and so is his client.

They are well suited for each other. Their narcissism is complete. They are both immature and really like each other. What does that tell you?

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

I do believe that CA and GA did love Caylee. From what little we have seen of Caylee, it would be impossible to live with her for nearly three years and not love her. I have no doubt that the tears they have cried for Caylee were real.

That being said, I did not find either of them very credible in this interview. In the early stages of this case, I felt very sorry for both of them. All the protesters, invading their life, I did feel sorry for them. Then they kept showing up in interviews, and talking, and the more they talked, the less I felt sorry for them. Then I read their depositions, and I no longer felt sorry for them at all. They were not helping, and in fact seemed to be hindering the investigation. Initially, I had mixed feelings about why they had brought the Pontiac home, and did what they said they did before the 911 call. I still have mixed feelings about that, but my thoughts have changed over the last 3 years as to the WHY they brought the car home.

To me, neither of them are telling the whole truth. I think both of them are telling some truth, some, what they hope is truth, and some, what they hope to make others believe is truth. Of the two, I think CA is being more truthful than GA, but that isn't saying much, because I am having a hard time believing very much of what she has to say.

Dr. P did put them on the spot a few times, but didn't follow up, and let them slide with sidestepping most of the interesting questions. A's doubletalk trumped Dr. P's attempt at psychobabble. 9 and 1/2 hours of interviewing to yield about 3 minutes of actual substance, not a very successful interview in my opinion.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

 

[bayouland]

I don't believe for a sec that she drowned in the pool and if CA really believes this then it will plague her everyday of her life. SNIP

I agree with you 100%. If Caylee had drown and it was a result of Cindy leaving the ladder up, Cindy would have spent the last three interviews with Dr. Phil blaming herself. She didn't.

It doesn't pass the sniff test at all.

 

[natsound]

Did this woman really say this about her little granddaughter drowning?

“I felt relieved that Caylee didn't suffer.”

Relieved?

I missed that. I didn't see the entire interview today. Did CA really say Caylee didn't suffer? What were her exact words?

 

[PeteyGirl]

Quote:
Originally Posted by grammieto5

Knowing all of this about Cindy, I still don't believe that she needs to be knocked down anymore than she has. The woman is living in profound denial and this denial is about a scintilla of an inch below the surface. It is not even a subconcious awareness, she is AWARE that her daughter killed Caylee. She just can't admit this or she has to admit that she failed.

I snipped just for this piece above . . .

Denial does not absolve a person, or diminish their responsibility. Nor does being "unable" to admit something. There's no such thing as being "unable" to admit something, it is "unwilling".

I agree with you that she's been run over by the karma bus about a million times, and all the fancy trips kissing dolphins or shopping for cheap tourist trap t-shirts, or "blood money" or attention amounts to anything *I* personally value. Losing your precious grandchild the way she lost Caylee pretty much cancels out ever cent she'll ever make exploiting people's sympathy so some paparazzi can snap a shot of her on a beach somewhere in a world where Caylee Marie ISN'T.

 

[natsound]

I don't believe for a sec that she drowned in the pool and if CA really believes this then it will plague her everyday of her life.

Great point, Justin Tyme. You have to call a spade a spade.

 

[natsound]

I wonder if GA had been truthful about the affair if the verdict would have been different? Who cares what CA thinks! He should have told the truth. How can she throw him out? He has lived there the whole time too wouldn't the house be split if they went through a divorce?

We can't be too sure GA was lying about the affair, because remember, River Cruz denied it in her initial deposition. She's also been exposed as an unreliable liar. Their testimonies cancel each other out.

 

[Just K]

I missed that. I didn't see the entire interview today. Did CA really say Caylee didn't suffer? What were her exact words?

Yep, she did say that and it was in reference to feeling relieved to have been told that Caylee drowned. I'm sure that when a child starts to drown and as they are suffocating, in the water, that they are at the very least terrified for the time that it takes to actually die.

 

[jon_burrows]

Look, lawyers do this all the time - and they are not called evil. That word is and should be reserved for those who really are evil. Richard Ramizez, John Wayne Gacey. Not Cindy Anthony.

That is your opinion. My opinion is different. There is no right or wrong. It's a judgement call. We can agree to disagree.

IMO

 

[LambChop]

In thinking about the perjury charges not being filed by the SA against CA, could the employer could potentially file monetary charges against CA for accepting pay for hours she is now stating she was not working? But seriously, since CA has now taken one side of the fence and wants to let it be known that she was at home during the time of the chloroform searches and her work has documentation that she was working and paid for that time - isn't that still fraud against her employer?

CA had logged into her computer that day. If the program is not active it logs itself off and she has to re-login. She was working that day because her ID was active on her computer. It does show CA took less than an hour because she did say she went to the bank that day but after lunch was logged back in. In the time frame CA claims to have been at home....her computer is logged in as her being at work and working on files. Can't get any better that, kind of a "gotsha" but CA claims the computers are all wrong. And her memory is still as sharp as a tack. R.ight

To understand KC we have to understand CA. The mind of KC, she got from her mother. The rage from GA. Mix them together and you've solved the mystery as to why Caylee is no longer with us. jmo