Dr Phil w/ George and Cindy Anthony (Show airs 9.13.2011)

[logicalgirl]

I don't have a Grandchild yet, but if I did I would not have waited 31 days. I know that for sure!! If that had been my Grandbaby I would have tracked her down after a few days of not being able to talk to Caylee. I guess CA is a little naive to have believed all the lies coming from the Felon during those 31 days. I would not have cared if my child was mad at me because I would have been twice as mad! I think they could have found her during those 31 days if they really wanted too???

While there is very good reason to be angry at Cindy for the thirty-one days, we should also keep in mind Caylee was dead on day one of the 31 days. So while CA may have different answers today, the fact of Caylee's death and disposal would still be the same.

 

[MarthaM]

Plus, Yates' youngest child was around 6 months old at the time. That is more typical a timeframe for anything post-partum. Caylee was almost 3 years old so even if Casey had suffered some post-partum issues they would certainly not have continued years after she gave birth.

But Cindy didn't bring up the suggestion of something post-partum relative to Caylee's death. Dr Phil asked if there were any warning signs, or a time when her behavior changed. And Cindy said that yes, she noticed changes in Casey after Caylee was born. She said she wondered if it wasn't something post-partum or hormonal.

 

[logicalgirl]

5 or 6 Red Bulls enough caffeine to kill a bull. She's lucky her heart didn't stop. Not sure if an IV would have flushed her system of most of the caffeine but I'm sure it helped. But, yes, nothing was found. Amazing. jmo

I don't think they test for caffeine when they're doing a drugs and alcohol panel do they? Whenever I have fasting blood work done the nurse always says go ahead and have your morning coffee - it won't make any difference - just don't eat.

 

[MsMacGyver]

On Nancy G one of the lawyer guests suggested it would be a good idea if the A's would stop talking since these are still law suits pending and whatever they say can be used.
I was very surprised at the brutal comments of Mr. Kesse. He said that Dr. P was pimping his show out for the A's financial benefit. He strongely objected to CA's excuses and thought Dr. P interview was weak. JVM was totally bashing the A's.
Most of the interview was the same old same old. The most surprising to me was that CA wasn't chewing gum. Also I thought there were no phones calls on june16th answered from the felon but now CA is claiming that she talked to the felon. I was bowled over by this admission. It appeared by the phone records that the felon was desperately trying to reach someone so if she did talk to CA I wonder what she said. It doesn't appear she said anything to CA that day because it was a month later that CA made the 911 calls.
When Dr. P used the word sociopath in relation to the felon it seemed to spark a reaction from CA. She seemed more aggresive towards the Dr. and goes into full excuse mode.
Again CA using the "friend" word loosely when claiming that the felons mood was down the night of the hot body contest and that the felon reluctantly filled in for a girl that didn't show up. I'm not sure what friends CA was refering to because it seems most reports from the felons friends said they saw no change in the felons behavior except for some nightmares/sweating from TL.

 

[Little Black Dress]

In reviewing the hundreds of photos of kc and Caylee, she is not bonding with the child. It is more like a photo op for kc herself. SheLooks like she treated Caylee as some sort of doll, playing dress up and house.

I'm so glad to hear you say this. I've felt this for a long time when seeing photos of Ms. Anthony and Caylee. She appears to think of Caylee as an 'accessory', that is, something to enhance HER. JMO.

For the record, I didn't watch the interview....as I said I wouldn't...and won't be watching any remaining part(s) either. I'm finally coming to grips with that travesty of a verdict and simply don't have the stomach for any of Mr. and Mrs. Anthony's revisionist history......no matter which version they choose to put forward........this, or any, time.

 

[runsdeep]

phil asked cindy about the 6 calls in 4 minutes from casey on the 16th, and she doesnt remember what they were about. shake my head.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But Cindy didn't bring up the suggestion of something post-partum relative to Caylee's death. Dr Phil asked if there were any warning signs, or a time when her behavior changed. And Cindy said that yes, she noticed changes in Casey after Caylee was born. She said she wondered if it wasn't something post-partum or hormonal.

Hi MarthaM. Do you think that Casey had postpartum schizophrenia. Or is this just something that Cindy is making up.Thanks.

 

[MarthaM]

Hi MarthaM. Do you think that Casey had postpartum schizophrenia. Or is this just something that Cindy is making up.Thanks.

I have no idea. I don't know anything about 'postpartum schizophrenia' and I'm not sure if I've even heard of it before today.

 

[MsMacGyver]

In the first two weeks immediately following the felon leaving home...she called her mother many times. I see few, if any, returned calls made by cindy. I recently found all the phone records.

Shouldn't that tell us something? My impression is that both parents are covering. They lied to authorities and on the stand and can't get out of it now. It was probaboly a case of casey running out of the house with caylee in tow. They new the state of mind kc was in and chose to bury their heads in the sand.

I will say it again, they knew kc was fuming. They didn't take any steps to protect Caylee and they will not admit that and most likely regret it...so they chose to make up a story of kc going on vacation w/Jeff and bonding with Caylee. When cindy said "Bonding", that tells me that she observed NO bonding all along. The words "Awesome" and "Amazing" are words of no description in which many people choose to cover up all sorts of reality. Scott Petersonj described his marriage as that.

Thanks...CA is claiming on June 16th, 2008 she received 6 calls in 4 minutes from the felon. That was the day Caylee died!. CA is saying that she talked to the felon THAT DAY! This is news to me. I thought no one picked up. CA claims she doesn't remember the conversation. Am I wrong here or is this a big deal?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I have no idea. I don't know anything about 'postpartum schizophrenia' and I'm not sure if I've even heard of it before today.

Ya. Either have I.

 

[Little Black Dress]

On Nancy G one of the lawyer guests suggested it would be a good idea if the A's would stop talking since these are still law suits pending and whatever they say can be used.
I was very surprised at the brutal comments of Mr. Kesse. He said that Dr. P was pimping his show out for the A's financial benefit. He strongely objected to CA's excuses and thought Dr. P interview was weak. JVM was totally bashing the A's.
Most of the interview was the same old same old. The most surprising to me was that CA wasn't chewing gum. Also I thought there were no phones calls on june16th answered from the felon but now CA is claiming that she talked to the felon. I was bowled over by this admission. It appeared by the phone records that the felon was desperately trying to reach someone so if she did talk to CA I wonder what she said. It doesn't appear she said anything to CA that day because it was a month later that CA made the 911 calls.
When Dr. P used the word sociopath in relation to the felon it seemed to spark a reaction from CA. She seemed more aggresive towards the Dr. and goes into full excuse mode.
Again CA using the "friend" word loosely when claiming that the felons mood was down the night of the hot body contest and that the felon reluctantly filled in for a girl that didn't show up. I'm not sure what friends CA was refering to because it seems most reports from the felons friends said they saw no change in the felons behavior except for some nightmares/sweating from TL.

Bolding mine. I don't know if this has been mentioned earlier or not, but it occurs to me that perhaps Ms. Valez-Mitchell is bashing them so vociferously now because it was Dr. Phil, and not her, that ultimately got the interview with the Anthonys. I think she has been sort of 'soft' on the Anthonys, particularly Mrs. Anthony, as she hoped to be the one to get that interview, in lieu of an interview with Ms. Anthony herself, but when that didn't happen, perhaps she turned on the Anthonys. That's not to say that I disagree with her assessment of them in the interview, as I do agree with her (and I'm not a fan of her or her show LOL ), but it just makes me wonder, as I saw what you did.....she seems to have held nothing back in her contempt for them........far cry from how she sounded not too terribly long ago. Just sayin'. JMO.

 

[logicalgirl]

I think he told the truth about the tape on the gas can. He did put the tape on the nozzle when Casey brought it back with the vent top broken. He did not put the tape across the rounded part and I wouldn't expect him to admit to something he did not do.

Imo, the jury is fully responsible for the insane verdict. They dismissed ever piece of evidence the state entered and overburdened the state where no prosecutor in this country could have gotten a conviction.

Imo, George wanted justice for Caylee but of course he did not want to see his daughter die.

IMO

Thank you oceanblueeyes - what some posters forget who keep talking about the gas cans is that at the trial, Baez was trying to get George mad to commit perjury. The gas cans were taken two times from George by the LE. The first time the can came back different, the second time it did not - but Baez was trying to twist it and pretend there was only one incident. He was showing the can from the second time and pretending it was from the first. That's the main reason GA was getting snarky. Also, he was questioned over and over and over again about the gas cans in the hearings before the trial. I think if he'd had one in front of him it would have ended up planted just in front of Baez left ear.

 

[Little Black Dress]

Thanks...CA is claiming on June 16th, 2008 she received 6 calls in 4 minutes from the felon. That was the day Caylee died!. CA is saying that she talked to the felon THAT DAY! This is news to me. I thought no one picked up. CA claims she doesn't remember the conversation. Am I wrong here or is this a big deal?

My recollection is the same as yours. I thought those seemingly frantic calls went unanswered.

 

[Whisperer]

phil asked cindy about the 6 calls in 4 minutes from casey on the 16th, and she doesnt remember what they were about. shake my head.

:banghead:

 

[logicalgirl]

Thanks...CA is claiming on June 16th, 2008 she received 6 calls in 4 minutes from the felon. That was the day Caylee died!. CA is saying that she talked to the felon THAT DAY! This is news to me. I thought no one picked up. CA claims she doesn't remember the conversation. Am I wrong here or is this a big deal?

As I said up thread - I don't believe CA actually said she talked to her - she said FCA sounded upset, but can't remember what the conversation was about. To me this is a huge red flag of a mistruth - what we would call liar liar pants on fire -in other words she didn't answer or pick up any of the calls but listened to a message or two much later.

I think she was either still very angry with FCA or thought she was going to beg her to babysit. I don't believe FCA was calling for help - I think she was planning what she had to do with Caylee and didn't want to be interrupted.

 

[Azcrabcakes]

The Army called the schizophrenia he had shell shock.

I believe you! I also believe in that era, many psychological illnesses were poorly defined, and even more poorly diagnosed. Some symptoms certainly overlap and I can see hoe they could be confused.

(Sorry for the somewhat OT, but I feel folks here are interested in knowing these things....)

The DSM-IV defines schizophrenia
http://www.sacdhhs.com/CMS/download/pdfs/AMH/Diagnostic%20Criteria%20for%20Schizophrenia%202008.pdf

PTSD
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/37/20/25.2.full

Here is a decent explanation of the transition of shell-shock to PTSD.
http://www.ptsdsupport.net/evolutionof_ptsd.html

This is interesting too:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/shellshock_01.shtml

 

[twomanywords]

Nothing about this case has turned out how I hoped it would, but today I felt a small sense of relief.
I firmly believe after today, very few people on this planet will see these dysfuntional parents as fit to run anything to do with finances or charities. They have proven to be untrustworthy to the public in a HUGE way today.
For this I will be thankful and have a small measure of hope that dishonesty won't keep being rewarded. They may have the Dr. Phil payment, but they will never be considered as a real foundation or legitimate charity.
They could have made this work for them....but the urge to make even more bizarre, illogical stories was their undoing!! They truly don't know when to"zip it."

 

[RR0004]

But Cindy didn't bring up the suggestion of something post-partum relative to Caylee's death. Dr Phil asked if there were any warning signs, or a time when her behavior changed. And Cindy said that yes, she noticed changes in Casey after Caylee was born. She said she wondered if it wasn't something post-partum or hormonal.

...and earlier, when all this went down, she blamed Casey's behavior on her "new friends". I think the reality is that the As knew something was seriously wrong with their daughter...and knew it was nothing that a pill could cure.
jmo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Bolding mine. I don't know if this has been mentioned earlier or not, but it occurs to me that perhaps Ms. Valez-Mitchell is bashing them so vociferously now because it was Dr. Phil, and not her, that ultimately got the interview with the Anthonys. I think she has been sort of 'soft' on the Anthonys, particularly Mrs. Anthony, as she hoped to be the one to get that interview, in lieu of an interview with Ms. Anthony herself, but when that didn't happen, perhaps she turned on the Anthonys. That's not to say that I disagree with her assessment of them in the interview, as I do agree with her (and I'm not a fan of her or her show LOL ), but it just makes me wonder, as I saw what you did.....she seems to have held nothing back in her contempt for them........far cry from how she sounded not too terribly long ago. Just sayin'. JMO.

I'm curious, what did JVM say?

 

[logicalgirl]

I wonder how many people who commit heinous crimes do have a brain tumor. Here's an interesting story of a man who did.

http://www.rifters.com/real/articles/brainontrial.htm

And one day during the trial she had to be removed from the court room due to what was said to be a serious illness. illness. Remember after the trial was over she was rushed to Ohio by a private jet ? Cleveland Clinic is in Cleveland and is the best in this country. Maybe she did have a brain tumor and had surgery or was treated. Recently there was a photo of her in a shopping mall wearing glasses with a very strong RX. You could tell by looking.

She was also on medication during her time in jail but due to the HIPPA laws it could not be made public what the medication was.

Not according to Dr. Krop, a psychiatrist who examined her while she was in jail - she gave him open permission to discuss everything except the abuse. Dr. Krop said she suffers from no mental illness and is in fact simply "very immature".