Dr. Phil's Interview w/ George & Cindy Anthony - Thread #3

[Kimberlyd125]

Cindy blows her stack at Casey. Casey says that is it. Cindy thinks Casey is just removing Caylee from her for 31 days just to punish her. Little did Cindy Know Casey lost it and killed Caylee. How could Cindy believe this could happen? Worst of all is Cindy was indirectly involved with this death. She pushed Casey over the ledge and bad things happen because of this.
George, Lee, nobody else has anything to do woth this. It is fairly simple what happened if you think about it. Cindy is in denial. She shares the blame.

ITA with much of this.

But, CA may feel blame but she is not to blame in any way.

IMO Casey killed Caylee to get back at CA.

Cindy may have "pushed Casey" but she did not attribute to the death in any way. Casey made her choice. CA was nowhere around.

Parents and adult children get into "fights" all the time. Many of those adult children will use the child/grandchild as leverage. But not many (THANK GOD) kill them to make their parents suffer.

Casey is evil.

Cindy is in denial.

George is stuck between a rock and a hard place. IMO he loves Cindy and does not want to lose her. But, he does not agree with what thinks happened.

Lee - who knows? I think he has been behind Casey all along.

All of the above is JMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think Casey is a homicidal maniac. I'm not worried about her going around and killing children willy nilly for no reason. What her problem is that she doesn't give one carp about the health and welfare of children. She doesn't care about anyone's health and welfare but her own. I wouldn't let her watch my kids or my parents, or even my husband because I know that she would neglect all of them for her own satisfaction. I know even further that she would get tired of the responsibility and either let the person die by neglect or kill them herself to get her Bella Vita life back. She has shown she is willing to murder for her own sake.

Also, neglect can be just as bad, if not worse than going around murdering people. The only difference is that society as a whole seems to be more tolerant of neglect when it doesn't result in murder. In Casey's case, neglect and not wanting to be a mom did result in murder because she got tired of responsibility. I don't think Casey should be put in any situation involving the care of another person ever. I think that situation would fall into neglect quickly, and then Casey wouldn't want that situation anymore, so someone else would end up dying by her hand because she misses her Bella Vita life once again. She's just as dangerous as someone who doesn't care about anyone else but herself as someone out there murdering people left and right to me. She just takes more time to get to a point where someone becomes expendable to her than most serial killers.

As long as Casey thinks she has the right to end someone's life because hers is more important, she is very dangerous and shouldn't be caring for anyone at any time, all IMO.

Anyone who can callously murder their own child then throw their body away in a swamp and just walk away like nothing ever happen should always be looked at as a very dangerous person.

I believe now KC will once again begin to create a faux life. Psychopaths are very good at rearranging their lives to their advantage. She will use what she has always used. Psychopaths are masters of illusions, manipulations and think they are so much smarter than anyone around them. They can appear to be very charming even helpful and considerate. Of course it is all fake and tools they have learned when mimicking others over the years but it serves them well.

But the true self is always there. The feelings of nothingness. No conscience but they will protect themselves and always do what they feel is in their best interest, totally. Everything they do has an ulterior motive. It is always about them.

So will KC murder again? The future hasn't happened yet so no one knows but we sure cant be positive that she wont either if the circumstances were right again.

I have always felt that when one gets away with murder it convinces the murderer they are 10 feet tall and bullet proof. It isn't like murdering someone once and serving prison time for it and then getting out and never repeating it. How powerful the murderer must feel to know they fooled the justice system when they know they were guilty as h*ll.

So years down the road when someone has let their guard down around KC will she use that trust to make another victim? Very likely, imo, and whether it is a decision to take another life or just to victimize someone in another way, I do think KC will continue to be a victimizer.

IMO

 

[coco puff]

Casey could have been and probably was a good Mother. Cindy through a wrench in the fan. Casey got the old you better or else speech from Cindy and Casey blew up with rage. People do bad things when they are in rage. You saw Casey in court. That girl is scary.

To KC, Caylee was good for a photo op.... nothing more.

My mom hated my little-girl-guts in private, but when people were around, she hugged on me like I was the love of her life. It is all for the cameras.

 

[sacrablue]

Exactly how is not working, stealing from everyone, and partying being a good mother? This wasn't some young girl trying to make ends meet and raise a child. This was a young woman inconvenienced by a baby in her life, and when her mother actually wanted her to be an actual mother to that baby, Casey said NO in the ultimate way by killing her. I don't think she was good mother. I don't think she even wanted to be a mother. I think she had Caylee because Cindy wanted her to, maybe even promised she would raise Caylee and Casey wouldn't have to do anything. Casey never bonded with Caylee or cared about her. If she did, she never would have resorted to murder to get her Bella Vita life back. I'm not placing the blame squarely on Cindy's shoulders. Cindy did too little, too late, IMO. She should have started making Casey be responsible from childhood instead of trying to make her be responsible as an adult.

I don't see it that way. I see Casey with bad habits having nothing to do with Caylee. I think Casey tried at times to do what was right but she had no support from a father. Casey relied on Cindy to help. Cindy was Casey's only support while Casey tried to make up for lost time and live a life like her friends. School, relationships, jobs but Casey got lost and went South. The perfect life was not going to happen, Casey could only pretend and live in a fantasy world she created. When Cindy said the life that Casey knew was over and she might try to take her child, all h-ll opened up.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Casey murdered Caylee.

Cindy did not cause it. No matter what Cindy said to Casey, Casey made the choice to kill Caylee.

No blame lies with Cindy Anthony for the murder of Caylee Anthony.

JMO

 

[Aedrys]

I don't see it that way. I see Casey with bad habits having nothing to do with Caylee. I think Casey tried at times to do what was right but she had no support from a father. Casey relied on Cindy to help. Cindy was Casey's only support while Casey tried to make up for lost time and live a life like her friends. School, relationships, jobs but Casey got lost and went South. The perfect life was not going to happen, Casey could only pretend and live in a fantasy world she created. When Cindy said the life that Casey knew was over and she might try to take her child, all h-ll opened up.

Well, that's certainly a more likable light than I will ever see her in. After three years, I just can't look at her that way. I think we'll just respectfully disagree here.

 

[coco puff]

Casey murdered Caylee.

Cindy did not cause it. No matter what Cindy said to Casey, Casey made the choice to kill Caylee.

No blame lies with Cindy Anthony for the murder of Caylee Anthony.

JMO

Where exactly are people saying that Cindy murdered Caylee? We are discussing the Dr. Phil interviews.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Where exactly are people saying that Cindy murdered Caylee? We are discussing the Dr. Phil interviews.

I never said anybody said Cindy murdered Caylee. If you will notice the quotes I included in my posts, you will see that some of the posts seem to imply that since Cindy argued with Casey, she was partly to blame for what happened to Caylee.

Notice the BBM parts I was referring to.

I don't see it that way. I see Casey with bad habits having nothing to do with Caylee. I think Casey tried at times to do what was right but she had no support from a father. Casey relied on Cindy to help. Cindy was Casey's only support while Casey tried to make up for lost time and live a life like her friends. School, relationships, jobs but Casey got lost and went South. The perfect life was not going to happen, Casey could only pretend and live in a fantasy world she created. When Cindy said the life that Casey knew was over and she might try to take her child, all h-ll opened up.

Casey could have been and probably was a good Mother. Cindy through a wrench in the fan. Casey got the old you better or else speech from Cindy and Casey blew up with rage. People do bad things when they are in rage. You saw Casey in court. That girl is scary.

Cindy blows her stack at Casey. Casey says that is it. Cindy thinks Casey is just removing Caylee from her for 31 days just to punish her. Little did Cindy Know Casey lost it and killed Caylee. How could Cindy believe this could happen? Worst of all is Cindy was indirectly involved with this death. She pushed Casey over the ledge and bad things happen because of this.
George, Lee, nobody else has anything to do woth this. It is fairly simple what happened if you think about it. Cindy is in denial. She shares the blame.

My point was... Cindy may FEEL blame, but she shares no blame with Casey IMO.

 

[SideKick]

Hi!

Please direct me to the links to watch Interview 1 & 2. I have searched here but cannot locate them and YouTube doesn't work or they only show a preview.. geez...

Heaps of thankyou's ♥

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I never said anybody said Cindy murdered Caylee. If you will notice the quotes I included in my posts, you will see that some of the posts seem to imply that since Cindy argued with Casey, she was partly to blame for what happened to Caylee.

Notice the BBM parts I was referring to.

My point was... Cindy may FEEL blame, but she shares not blame with Casey IMO.

On this point I do agree with you.

Cindy should feel no guilt that she finally did the right thing and confronted her daughter about stealing from her own granparent.....of all people. That was such a low blow that I think Cindy had reached her fill at that time of Casey stealing her family blind.

Pretty much like when she finally made the phone call to 911 about Caylee being missing. Those times are when Cindy was being the mother/grandmother she knew she should be.

But then I think of other tragedies where a mother or a father felt guilt for someone else's acts.

An example: Their child dying in a vehicle accident and they may have sent them to the store for something when the wreck occurred so the mother or father or both beats themselves up and feels such guilt because they were they ones who sent them. In other words 'if I hadn't asked them to go to the store they would be alive.'

And IMO this is the secret that Cindy protects. That is why when Lee told Jessie about the major blowout between KC and Cindy the evening before Caylee was killed....they all immediately dismissed it as never happening.

I do think Cindy feels this was the trigger and what broke the camel's back.

IMO

 

[Sleuths4Me]

To JustinK:

Re: regarding the thumbprint of Caylee, I am referring to the outline of her body in the trunk that the FBI brought up - someone on this Board did an excellent job of showing the outline of Caylee's body as it lay in the trunk. The outline was left there while she was decomposing and the fluids from her body left it on the trunk liner. The FBI originally stated that they could see the outline of a toddler on the liner and then someone here really delved into it and showed it.

Of course you cannot get anything from bones, this was the liner in the trunk I was referring to. Have a good one.

I always wondered why the SA didn't use that liner as evidence..the stain on the liner???

 

[Solace]

Casey could have been and probably was a good Mother. Cindy through a wrench in the fan. Casey got the old you better or else speech from Cindy and Casey blew up with rage. People do bad things when they are in rage. You saw Casey in court. That girl is scary.

Casey was stealing for years; she is a sociopath. I don't know if she was a good mother or not. Leaning more towards was NOT.

 

[Solace]

I always wondered why the SA didn't use that liner as evidence..the stain on the liner???

I know. I think they just did not want more scientific stuff in there that the defense could say was "junk". They had the odor which was new. I think they made a mistake - because it is so clear the outline of her legs and the diaper and you can definitely see the thumbprint, but it has to be pointed out. It was excellently done on this Board. Really brought it home when you see that she was in that trunk - it is one thing to say she was there and quite another to see the outline of her body in the trunk.

 

[logicalgirl]

I know. I think they just did not want more scientific stuff in there that the defense could say was "junk". They had the odor which was new. I think they made a mistake - because it is so clear the outline of her legs and the diaper and you can definitely see the thumbprint, but it has to be pointed out. It was excellently done on this Board. Really brought it home when you see that she was in that trunk - it is one thing to say she was there and quite another to see the outline of her body in the trunk.

BUT if you remember, the Defense showed a photograph of the trunk liner that to me appeared to have been deliberately "over exposed" or lightened to the point that the outline was not visible. I was very surprised the SA was not ready to rebut that little piece of "magic".

 

[Well Done 99]

I always wondered why the SA didn't use that liner as evidence..the stain on the liner???

The wheel well liner was presented but it is not the part of the trunk lining which had the stain, correct?

(ETA: Sorry, this was o/t .. I got a bit carried away and won't do it again, promise)

 

[sacrablue]

If Cindy realized Casey was disturbed also having many bad habits and hired a professional to start Casey on a re-entry program into normal life, Caylee would still be alive IMO. Nurses are not always the best at diagnosing their own family's problems.

 

[Solace]

If Cindy realized Casey was disturbed also having many bad habits and hired a professional to start Casey on a re-entry program into normal life, Caylee would still be alive IMO. Nurses are not always the best at diagnosing their own family's problems.

Or pregnancies, it seems.

 

[Solace]

Cindy blows her stack at Casey. Casey says that is it. Cindy thinks Casey is just removing Caylee from her for 31 days just to punish her. Little did Cindy Know Casey lost it and killed Caylee. How could Cindy believe this could happen? Worst of all is Cindy was indirectly involved with this death. She pushed Casey over the ledge and bad things happen because of this.
George, Lee, nobody else has anything to do woth this. It is fairly simple what happened if you think about it. Cindy is in denial. She shares the blame.

I also think KC got much pleasure out of talking to Cindy everyday and telling her that Caylee was not available and she could not see her. She loved torturing Cindy. She hates Cindy.

 

[Solace]

The wheel well liner was presented but it is not the part of the trunk lining which had the stain, correct?

Correct. If you go to wftv.com and click on Casey Anthony, they have all the evidence and you will find it.

 

[Solace]

BUT if you remember, the Defense showed a photograph of the trunk liner that to me appeared to have been deliberately "over exposed" or lightened to the point that the outline was not visible. I was very surprised the SA was not ready to rebut that little piece of "magic".

Me too - I don't understand why they didn't - I think they were being extra cautious but I really think they should have went for it. They were using the "odor" evidence. If you are going to present, present the whole thing.