Dr. Phil's Interview w/ George & Cindy Anthony - Thread #3

[oceanblueeyes]

George doesn't believe for a second that KC had help. He is simply saying that because he wants to stay in the house and his saying she had help softens the blow of his saying KC sedated her and buried her.

NOTICE EVERYONE TIP TOES AROUND THE TAPE. Did anyone mention the tape? I never heard anything about the tape. How much help do you need to put chloroform over a 25 - 30 pound toddler and then to move her. KC picked her up and moved her from the bathroom every day when she gave her a bath. So now she can't possibly move her when she has killed her, riggggggggggggggght.

George is the only one that mentioned the tape. At the time he was talking about him not believing Caylee drowned. He said then why wait three years to say anything and why would Casey throw Caylee away and put the tape on her and put her in bags if it was an accident. (paragraphing from memory)

IMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Also, let us not forget that KC apparently wanted to adopt Caylee out according to Kiomarie's testimony. But Cindy would not let her for what I suspect, selfish reasons.. May be there is a lesson in that for other grand parents. You can not force someone to be a mother.
Wish Dr. Phil had asked a question about that.

Right! You can not force someone to be a mother.

So, how then, did Cindy "not let" Casey put Caylee up for adoption?

It was not Cindy's choice to make.

No matter what Cindy said or thought about the issue, CASEY decided not to put Caylee up for adoption.

I find it hard to blame all of Casey's actions on her mother. I'm a firm believer in personal responsibility.

It's NOT Cindy's fault in the least that Caylee is deceased.

CA did not birth Caylee.
CA dis not make the decision to keep Caylee (not put her up for adoption)
CA did not make the decision to kill Caylee.

All of the above were the actions/decisions of 1 person - Casey Anthony.

JMO

 

[Solace]

Maybe out of all of this, one day they will be interviewd and actually asked questions about the tape on her mouth, about the money she was stealing on a daily and monthly basis and note the amounts, about Casey's pregnancy and the fact that Cindy is a registered nurse and let it slide.

The fact that KC started stealing when she was aobut 14 to the tune of 200 from her brother (that is not a small amount - it is not - $5 from his drawer is a small amount, not $200). The lie about being attacked when she was working at Sports Authority, where she was not working.

Ask Cindy what she thinks about her daughter making up the molestation charges about her father and her brother. The fact that KC looked fiercely angry in the courtroom when Cindy hugged George (which tells me that she expected Cindy to go along with the lie).

And that is for starters. Is there anyone who will ask the right questions.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Am betting as part of the deal with Dr. Phil the A's will have gotten and are on an extended vacation at an exotic and secret location. You know they will need time to 'bond and recover' after rehashing their story to Dr. Phil. In a week or two they will be back in the public eye ginning up funds for their 'foundaiton'.:maddening:

Dr. Phil has stated outright on multiple occasions that the A's only request was a donation when the fund is up and running.

Unless Dr. Phil is not telling the truth, the A's received no trip from the Dr. Phil show and no such deal was made.

 

[PeteyGirl]

Right! You can not force someone to be a mother.

So, how then, did Cindy "not let" Casey put Caylee up for adoption?

It was not Cindy's choice to make.

No matter what Cindy said or thought about the issue, CASEY decided not to put Caylee up for adoption.

I find it hard to blame all of Casey's actions on her mother. I'm a firm believer in personal responsibility.

It's NOT Cindy's fault in the least that Caylee is deceased.

CA did not birth Caylee.
CA dis not make the decision to keep Caylee (not put her up for adoption)
CA did not make the decision to kill Caylee.

All of the above were the actions/decisions of 1 person - Casey Anthony.

JMO

You are making a lot of sense here

While I do believe that the way CA raised KC poured Miracle Gro on her sociopathy, CA should not be held responsible for Caylee's death in any way. She is responsible for a lot of other things, but CA's own pathology made her blind to actions she should have taken.

I see CA being part of the chain of events that led to Caylee's death, but down to the nitty gritty direct responsibility for the death, it's a specious kind of stretch to blame CA.

It is really, really HARD to suss out responsibility, in our own life and especially the lives of other people. It's easy to over shoot and under shoot, and very hard to find exactly where one's responsibility/accountability begins and ends.

 

[Tipstaff]

Maybe out of all of this, one day they will be interviewd and actually asked questions about the tape on her mouth, about the money she was stealing on a daily and monthly basis and note the amounts, about Casey's pregnancy and the fact that Cindy is a registered nurse and let it slide.

The fact that KC started stealing when she was aobut 14 to the tune of 200 from her brother (that is not a small amount - it is not - $5 from his drawer is a small amount, not $200). The lie about being attacked when she was working at Sports Authority, where she was not working.

Ask Cindy what she thinks about her daughter making up the molestation charges about her father and her brother. The fact that KC looked fiercely angry in the courtroom when Cindy hugged George (which tells me that she expected Cindy to go along with the lie).

And that is for starters. Is there anyone who will ask the right questions.

Yes there are many who would ask the right questions, there is now and there was 3 years ago. Cindy lied in the beginning and tried to manipulate the questions to provide the answers she WANTED to give. She will continue to try and do the same thing time after time after time.

If Cindy can no longer continue to lie and manipulate she will fade away until big $$$$ are put on the table then she will crawl out from under it and try to bluff again. This will happen until she is charged with perjury by the State of Florida IMO.

 

[crimesnooper]

Maybe out of all of this, one day they will be interviewd and actually asked questions about the tape on her mouth, about the money she was stealing on a daily and monthly basis and note the amounts, about Casey's pregnancy and the fact that Cindy is a registered nurse and let it slide.

The fact that KC started stealing when she was aobut 14 to the tune of 200 from her brother (that is not a small amount - it is not - $5 from his drawer is a small amount, not $200). The lie about being attacked when she was working at Sports Authority, where she was not working.

Ask Cindy what she thinks about her daughter making up the molestation charges about her father and her brother. The fact that KC looked fiercely angry in the courtroom when Cindy hugged George (which tells me that she expected Cindy to go along with the lie).

And that is for starters. Is there anyone who will ask the right questions.

Very, very interesting..and confirms what I have thought..There is so much more about her behavior as a kid and teen that has not come out. Where did you get the info about stealing and lying about being attacked?Thanks

 

[krkrjx]

I'm not certain Casey isn't a homicidal maniac. I really can't say one way or the other because we don't have all the information needed to answer that question.

What we don't know is if Casey derived some pleasure and joy as she was placing the tape across her more than likely terrified child. If she did then yes I would categorize her as a homicidal maniac.

But I can say without a doubt in my mind Casey wouldn't hesitate in the LEAST to murder again, if she choose to do so. She has found that murdering benefits her, there is no threat of deterrence for Casey. Although she is the most hated person in this country Casey's life will be far better than it was (at least in her mind) while Caylee was alive.

Up to this point, before she was on parole, she got to travel all around the country on private jets. Before that Casey had never had the chance to travel anywhere. And will also be given a free pass to never have to work. And at some point when society has allowed Casey to disappear into a distant memory Casey will be able to resume her partying lifestyle again, and resume her Bella Vita. This time though without being saddled with the responsibility of a 2 year old child and her parents pushing her to be responsible.

Either way you slice it Casey is a dangerous woman who society should be protected from. A murderer is a murderer it doesn't matter if your body count is 1 or 1,000. This was not a murder done in self defense. If Casey had it in her to kill an innocent 2 year old child people would be fools to think Casey couldn't very easily kill again. Should the mood so strike Miss Casey.

Make no mistake both Anthony women are ticking time bombs ready to go off at any moment. I think it foolish for anyone to take a chance to leave the life of any of their loved ones in either womans hands.

There is no doubt in my mind that if the circumstances were right, Casey could kill again. I am not sure how long it might take for such circumstances to develop, or if they ever will.

What I do see in Casey's life is more manipulation and using other people. Probably not unreasonable to think she will steal again and again as the opportunity arises.

I have also considered that Casey might at some time try to use the wrong person--someone who would not just shrug and walk away from it like most have done with her. I am talking about someone who might decide not to let her get away with it, and take action against her. This could be a person following through with legal action, or it could be a person taking the law into their own hands to bring Casey to her knees by whatever means they see fit.

This is not to be interpreted as me believing Casey is in danger or that people are just sitting in wait for a chance to do harm to her. This is me considering examples of people I know or have known who go through life using others, and what sometimes happens when they misread someone enough to think they are an easy mark when it couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Yes there are many who would ask the right questions, there is now and there was 3 years ago. Cindy lied in the beginning and tried to manipulate the questions to provide the answers she WANTED to give. She will continue to try and do the same thing time after time after time.

If Cindy can no longer continue to lie and manipulate she will fade away until big $$$$ are put on the table then she will crawl out from under it and try to bluff again. This will happen until she is charged with perjury by the State of Florida IMO.

BBM: The State of Florida should have charged Cindy with perjury from the trial ! It was an enormous letdown when the State chose NOT to charge her ! :maddening:

And that is one of the reasons why Cindy was able to go on Phil McGraw's show and continue with her "twisted and warped mistruths !

Hmmm ... has the statute of limitations expired yet for charging her with perjury ? :innocent:

As always, MOO ...

 

[feddup]

Hi, MsMacGyver ! I am happy to hear that Phil was "flooded" with negative comments about the Anthony's :great::great: ... especially since Cindy continued to "defend" her daughter :sick:

I hope the rest of the media TH's who are "considering" having the Anthony's on their show will re-think this !

MOO ...

My husband expected Dr Phil to ask hard hitting questions, I did too. Hes making a large donation t their "foundation" and this is all he can do?
Maybe the Ants should stick to a private therapist. Dr Phil was too easy on them and just excused CA;s as well shes in denial.
As lax as CA was about where they found Caylees body. Well think back, she knew Casey was pregnant but never took her to a Dr? Shes a nurse, whats that about? Poor Caylee CA called her a mistake as some recalled.

 

[feddup]

I'm not certain Casey isn't a homicidal maniac. I really can't say one way or the other because we don't have all the information needed to answer that question.

What we don't know is if Casey derived some pleasure and joy as she was placing the tape across her more than likely terrified child. If she did then yes I would categorize her as a homicidal maniac.

But I can say without a doubt in my mind Casey wouldn't hesitate in the LEAST to murder again, if she choose to do so. She has found that murdering benefits her, there is no threat of deterrence for Casey. Although she is the most hated person in this country Casey's life will be far better than it was (at least in her mind) while Caylee was alive.

Up to this point, before she was on parole, she got to travel all around the country on private jets. Before that Casey had never had the chance to travel anywhere. And will also be given a free pass to never have to work. And at some point when society has allowed Casey to disappear into a distant memory Casey will be able to resume her partying lifestyle again, and resume her Bella Vita. This time though without being saddled with the responsibility of a 2 year old child and her parents pushing her to be responsible.

Either way you slice it Casey is a dangerous woman who society should be protected from. A murderer is a murderer it doesn't matter if your body count is 1 or 1,000. This was not a murder done in self defense. If Casey had it in her to kill an innocent 2 year old child people would be fools to think Casey couldn't very easily kill again. Should the mood so strike Miss Casey.

Make no mistake both Anthony women are ticking time bombs ready to go off at any moment. I think it foolish for anyone to take a chance to leave the life of any of their loved ones in either womans hands.

I think Casey felt like Caylee was like a little sister that she resented and had to babysit alot.
CA shouldve adopted her and Casey couldve run loose.

 

[Tipstaff]

BBM: The State of Florida should have charged Cindy with perjury from the trial ! It was an enormous letdown when the State chose NOT to charge her ! :maddening:

And that is one of the reasons why Cindy was able to go on Phil McGraw's show and continue with her "twisted and warped mistruths !

Hmmm ... has the statute of limitations expired yet for charging her with perjury ? :innocent:

As always, MOO ...

Did a quick read on the statute of limitation on perjury in FL and it is 3 years from the date the perjury took place.

 

[feddup]

There is no doubt in my mind that if the circumstances were right, Casey could kill again. I am not sure how long it might take for such circumstances to develop, or if they ever will.

What I do see in Casey's life is more manipulation and using other people. Probably not unreasonable to think she will steal again and again as the opportunity arises.

I have also considered that Casey might at some time try to use the wrong person--someone who would not just shrug and walk away from it like most have done with her. I am talking about someone who might decide not to let her get away with it, and take action against her. This could be a person following through with legal action, or it could be a person taking the law into their own hands to bring Casey to her knees by whatever means they see fit.

This is not to be interpreted as me believing Casey is in danger or that people are just sitting in wait for a chance to do harm to her. This is me considering examples of people I know or have known who go through life using others, and what sometimes happens when they misread someone enough to think they are an easy mark when it couldn't be further from the truth.

If she ever marries and has another one, people in the fam should watch her very closely. The last one, Caylee, as GA said: Caylee was in Caseys care and went missing.....GA knows. Altho he thinks she had help. I dont know. If she did, who was it?
i just think Casey is unstable. I meant to say: with what happened to Caylee, would CA really be able to relax if Casey had another one? She didnt take care of Caylee why would she take care of another one? Unless Caylee cried alot and was clingy then KC probably got resentful, who knows? I think KC cries for herslf but not Caylee and her death IMO

 

[sacrablue]

This is an interesting question/issue for me. I haven't decided how far I'll go on assigning any blame or responsibility to the parents who raise a child who commits a crime or does very inappropriate things (even if they don't rise to the level of a crime), whether they do those things as a child or as an adult. Thinking of some really messed-up (IMO) families I've known, the parents either really didn't see or didn't want to see reality when it came to their children. I'm not sure whether I can blame them for anything, even though part of me wants to. If they don't see something, how can they be blamed for not preventing the results or be responsible for that? It's something I've thought about here and there, when I've seen parents, especially mothers but not exclusively so, whose adult children act in ways that I can easily trace back to how they were raised and the home environment.

I have seen this happen over and over. Doctors and health care givers are great at taking care of outside people but when it come to their own family their knowledge turns into thin air and they become very defensive IMO.

 

[JSR]

I think Casey felt like Caylee was like a little sister that she resented and had to babysit alot.
CA shouldve adopted her and Casey couldve run loose.

BBM.

That happens often. It happened in my circumstance. I was raised by my grandparents and my mother certainly felt that I was more like a sister than her daughter. She resented every aspect of my life. Even though as I'm now an adult it was clear my status in life was a result of a lot of hard work. It didn't matter I was/still am resented.

Also about CA adopting Caylee. I was also of the same opinion as you, BEFORE the interview aired. I was very anguished that Cindy didn't follow through and get custody of Caylee thinking that Caylee could have enjoyed a long and happy life.

I no longer anguish anymore. To some degree these interviews have given me a sense of peace about one general area. It's clear after these interviews that Caylee never had a chance. Caylee would have had a horrendous life with either of the Anthony women as their caretaker. Neither of the Anthony women can appropriately unconditionally love another person, let alone a child that requires selfless and constant love.

Caylee was doomed with either Cindy or Casey. One is just far more manipulative than the other. Both are just as dangerous.

 

[Solace]

Very, very interesting..and confirms what I have thought..There is so much more about her behavior as a kid and teen that has not come out. Where did you get the info about stealing and lying about being attacked?Thanks

George tells about KC SAYING she was attcked in his interview with detectives that he initiated. He is at one point fired up and says oh, did I tell you and proceeds to tell...He says he told her to tell him the name of the policeman she called, what was his name, etc. and she said "Dad I'll take care of it". He is telling the story to LE to reiterate how untrustworthy she is. KC made up the story because she owed Cindy money and didn't have it - sos she said she was robbed. He also tells LE that he asked KC for the money she owed him or Cindy did and she stole money from Cindy's wallet and paid her back with it. Yes, its true.

SHE started stealing with Lee to the tune of 200, from what we know. He tells the prosecutors about this (because he cannot lie to them, but he downplays it). He downplays a lot and says I really didn't want to be involved in all of that. And it was not a big deal.

When he went to talk to Tony Lazzarro, KC's then boyfriend who is wearing a wire, Lee tells Tony that KC is a pro at writing checks, etc.

If you check out A candy rose and read the e-mails between Rick Plesea and his mother (and Cindy's) it is very enlightening. The mother also tells LE in her interview that she believes Cindy went through 40,000 because of KC. She used her entire 401k bailing her out. The Hinkey Meter (Anthony timeline) is also great for telling just how much money KC was stealing from Cindy's checking account - over 1000, for the months of January and February 2008, then 300 to 400 a month there on until April where she is cut off and then she does the chloroform search about three days after she is cut off.

So in April she is starting to become desperate for money.

Also the e-mails between Cindy's mother and her friend or sister are very very enlightening about Cindy's depressive state about KC stealing and in June about Cindy's depression about not seeing Caylee.

I would have thought the prosecutors would have brought up the money, but they may have been precluded. I see it as going to her mindset. She started the searches three days after Cindy cut off the bank account. Not sure if they were allowed to - too many facts in this case - AND THEY ALL POINT TO GUILT

 

[MissJames]

My gosh y'all. I'm late to the conversation and only saw the last part of the interview. But my jaw hit the ground when Cindy said she would be fine with Casey watching another one of her grand babies. I mean, WTH is WRONG with that woman?

Well,I'm waaay later than you ,but Cindy either forgets what she's said ,or expects everyone else to.
She told Dr. Phil that she thinks something went wrong with Casey after Caylee was born,either post-partum depression or psychosis,or a brain tumor.

Then she says Casey was an excellent mother.

Why does she feel Casey needs an excuse of post partum psychosis,if Caylee accidently drowned?

And if Casey has a brain tumor,seizures or psychosis ,why is it okay for her to be in charge of other kids?

Dr. Phil was tougher than I thought he's be,but still not tough enough ,IMO.

 

[marge_rita]

BBM: The State of Florida should have charged Cindy with perjury from the trial ! It was an enormous letdown when the State chose NOT to charge her ! :maddening:

And that is one of the reasons why Cindy was able to go on Phil McGraw's show and continue with her "twisted and warped mistruths !

Hmmm ... has the statute of limitations expired yet for charging her with perjury ? :innocent:

As always, MOO ...

Not only was that a let down but it futher showed how lax the justice system was where the A's were concerned.

kc walked free after imo killing her daughter.
Cindy committed perjury and was never charged.


If I ever do a crime, I hope I'm in Florida. :crazy:


imo

 

[leebee52]

As to the "Casey had help" BS....WHO would have volunteered to help her in the disposal of her dead baby? Asking someone to help with that dastardly deed isn't quite the same as asking for someones help to dump an old refrigerator at the local junkyard. In the large cast of characters involved in Casey's fantasy world of imaginary friends, it's kind of amazing that she didn't actually create one who did that particular deed.

 

[Solace]

Not only was that a let down but it futher showed how lax the justice system was where the A's were concerned.

kc walked free after imo killing her daughter.
Cindy committed perjury and was never charged.


If I ever do a crime, I hope I'm in Florida. :crazy:


imo

As I understand they rarely charge for perjury after the fact. HOWEVER,
the prosecutors did a fantastic job. They really did. This lead juror did not like Ashton and he made it known and obviously there were 11 sheep.