Dr. Phil's Interview w/ George & Cindy Anthony - Thread #3

[MsMacGyver]

Hearing about all of this money paid for interviews and pictures makes me sick to my stomach - really sick. There are so many legit agencies that struggle that actually feed and shelter people who have reached a point that need these services due to no fault of their own. We already have legit services to search for the missing and endangered that rely on public donations. What would have been impressive would have been for the A's to negotiate the highest fee to be donated to one of these agencies in
Caylee's name. This paid "interview" puts not only the A's to shame but Phil and his network and the other's who have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars - for their hotel, lodging, and limo rides. With the numbers coming out of families that do not have enough to eat in America, their phoney grandparents scheme stinks to high heavens.

I'm really kind of surprised they didn't donate some of their money to TM. CA might have been able to spare FCA another civil suit by giving TM enough of a donation to get FCA out of hock. I'm sure she feels TM wouldn't prevail because no one starts a fight with the A's and wins. I really hope he gets some of his money back for being mislead and treated so badly, he deserves it!

 

[Whisperer]

Yep, Logicgal. IMO, it all comes down to them not understanding "reasonable doubt" which was my biggest fear.

I have seen this group think before. They think if they possess any doubt at all, no matter how bizarre they can't vote guilty. You are correct...they were not sophisticated at all. They went with the thinking of "Beyond the Shadow of a Doubt" which was suggested subliminally by the defense in their explanations of the term.

When are people going to learn the difference? The State assumed that they got it...because it is a pretty easy term for them and they can think in the abstract. The jury couldn't.

I suggest a test be given to jurors to see if they understand the term. This case was clearly sad and an unjust and incomprehensible verdict was given. It made them appear well I better leave it at unsophisticated or be banned. People who are not capable of thinking in the abstract (concrete thinkers) do not get this term and are too shamed to admit they don't.

 

[Pattymarie]

Again I wish I could agree that it is that black and white - but I've said all along - I just don't think the Anthony's - particularly CA was a player at all in the case. No one believed her claims on the stand - it was obvious she was trying to save her daughter from the death penalty.

The LE simply got a sample of hair from another brush - we claim she cleaned the car yet a CSI for the SA testified it was not clean, we hoped the pants had that very clue that would have solved the case but I think not. And so it went through the list of the Anthony's "obstructions". Merely an annoying sideshow, but a non-event for the LE and the SA - and a sideshow for the media.

Bill S. who was a criminal lawyer for 30 years said he had never before seen a case with so much circumstantial evidence. What I think went wrong was a very sophisticated prosecution with highly technical evidence and a very unsophisticated jury who have never been called on to engage their common sense and were so unfocused they never did understand what their jury instructions were. And a DT who had figured out just how unsophisticated these folks were. Because more than enough evidence was there.

According to many polls online...the most damning evidence to many was the "31" days. The DT had to get rid of this so thats why they made up the drowning lie. It worked with this jury. They didn't have the "appalling" factor like all of us and the prosecution did.

 

[krkrjx]

But they really did get paid. They are collecting a salary from the foundation that Dr Phil just dropped 1/2 mil into. I guess Dr Phil thinks we are all stupid! He should have donated the money to Texas Equisearch or Klaas Foundation, not a Foundation that hasn't done one single thing for charity! Their Foundation doesn't even make sense! How are they going to help other Grandparents? CA is living on another planet and they both need help so bad themselves. How can they seriously help others when they are both so sick? GA still grieving and angry and CA in complete denial.

At least GA was somewhat honest but there aren't any words for CA.

Exactly! Phil McGraw could have offered a donation to any existing foundation that advocates for crime victims and/or their survivors, or for missing kids, etc. IMO, had he made such an offer, the Anthonys would not have gone for it. They wanted the donation to be to their foundation. I believe Phil would not have gotten the interview if he had offered to donate to any other group.

If the Anthonys are true advocates and their motives sincere, why not do the interview in exchange for a donation to Klaas or TES, or some similar group?

One must ask why, if the Anthonys truly wish to advocate, would it matter where DP's donation went.

 

[Whisperer]

If you notice, cindy can't think that way either. She doesn't think in the abstract at all. Many times emotional based people can't understand the term "Reasonable Doubt". This jury was full of emotionally driven people.

 

[GiantPickle]

Again I wish I could agree that it is that black and white - but I've said all along - I just don't think the Anthony's - particularly CA was a player at all in the case. No one believed her claims on the stand - it was obvious she was trying to save her daughter from the death penalty.

The LE simply got a sample of hair from another brush - we claim she cleaned the car yet a CSI for the SA testified it was not clean, we hoped the pants had that very clue that would have solved the case but I think not. And so it went through the list of the Anthony's "obstructions". Merely an annoying sideshow, but a non-event for the LE and the SA - and a sideshow for the media.

Bill S. who was a criminal lawyer for 30 years said he had never before seen a case with so much circumstantial evidence. What I think went wrong was a very sophisticated prosecution with highly technical evidence and a very unsophisticated jury who have never been called on to engage their common sense and were so unfocused they never did understand what their jury instructions were. And a DT who had figured out just how unsophisticated these folks were. Because more than enough evidence was there.

BBM.

I agree until you get to the bolded line. I honestly think the DT got hella lucky rather than they disproved any thing.

 

[LambChop]

I personally think it is a little irresponsible to pump that kind of money into a foundation run by people who have no clue what they are doing when well-established charities with excellent track records are begging for donations in this economy. Then try to sell us on how the A's never asked for the money.

Remember how Dr. Phil help Octomom? Why do we think those children would have been better if he had just not helped her? She is in financial trouble and claims she hates kids. lol jmo

 

[LambChop]

If you notice, cindy can't think that way either. She doesn't think in the abstract at all. Many times emotional based people can't understand the term "Reasonable Doubt". This jury was full of emotionally driven people.

Same as the jury foreman telling them they could not consider the 31 days. Hello.....that was all of LDB's witnesses explaining what KC was doing those 31 days and how unconcerned she was about her child. If you didn't consider that and they hated JA's forensic because they didn't want to trust it no wonder they thought the state didn't prove their case.

The mistake the jury made was picking their foreman. jmo

 

[RR0004]

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We could just as easily say that the outcome would have been different if Roy Kronk's calls had been taken seriously and Caylee's body had been discovered earlier. We don't blame LE though, do we? YM is glorified on this board.

I personally thought the verdict should have been cut-and-dry. I never turned around and blamed the A's because the verdict that KC deserved did not materialize. The only person I have ever blamed from the beginning is KC. I don't think I would like the A's if I met them. CA has made a fool of herself on national TV. But the A's didn't kill Caylee, and everything they have done since that horrible incident has been in reaction to their worst nightmare coming true.

I know we have discussed this, but would there be anything to determine cause of death after 2 months out in the elements (if that's what you're referring to)? And what the heck did YM have to do with RK? He didn't ignore his calls, did he? Why shouldn't YM be appreciated and admired for what he did do?

 

[natsound]

Cindy thinks she can think for George.:innocent: Especially when it is something she doesnt want to hear.

It has to be maddening living with this woman who twists everything that he says.

She had to poo poo the truth again and diminish George's concretely held beliefs in the process.

IMO

Well, GA has to take responsibility for some of this. I sympathize with him, don't get me wrong, but he's a grown man. He can stand up for himself and Caylee any time. C'mon GA!

 

[Aedrys]

For what it's worth Aedrys - I agree with everything you said - except your first sentence. Because I'm not sure how they hindered the investigation. And no, I'm not asking for a laundry list because I'm very aware of every tawdry thing they did.

It's that I don't believe they hindered, as in stopped, prevented, detoured, brought to a halt - this investigation. I think the LE and the SA paid no attention to them at all - they knew who was guilty from the get go, after their very initial investigation of the facts. I saw both the LE and the SA completely ignoring the Anthony's because as experienced investigators and prosecutors, they know families usually lie.

I think what we saw was the opposite. As peeps complained about the Anthony's outrageous behavior, the Defense saw the chink in the wall of the prosecution and kept chipping away until they had a clout of carp to throw up in the air during the trial. All carp - you knew it and I knew it but we'd been on the Anthony obstruction mantra train it was too late to get off. And the DT listened to their media experts and played it for all it was worth. And much to my disgust - it worked.

Okay, that makes more sense to me. You're right, they didn't actually stop the investigation, but they did try to put up obstacles many times. Those obstacles never stopped LE from investigating though. It was more sheer annoyance than anything else. And that annoyance spread into anger, and tainted everything else. Wow, the A's really were the worst thing to happen to this case (especially the parents) by just being their dysfunctional selves. Not blaming, just realizing what an impact the two parents alone had on this whole case. Makes me wish it wasn't so, but it is.

 

[Eidetic]

It is quite obvious that my post has been "misunderstood".

I did NOT buy into the Pinellas 12 "theory" ... I have severely criticized the Pinellas 12 many, many times here for their INCORRECT VERDICT !

I do NOT believe GA, CA and LA were INVOLVED in Caylee's death ...

However, IMO, George and Cindy, and Lee included, are all GUILTY of helping Felon Casey Anthony get OFF of a "murder rap".

GA, CA and LA's "defense" of FCA speak VOLUMES ! They ALL played their ROLE ... it was ALL part of a SCRIPT ! I did NOT BUY into it, but obviously many people did !

ALL of the Anthony's have BEEN DISHONEST since Day 31 !

And IMO, George did NOT stand up for JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE ! His testimony was WEAK ! George is very HINKY -- just like the rest of his family !

As always, My Opinion Only ...

George said he did not want to see her get the death penalty, I think Baez was getting him to say he would do anything to spare her and as usual, George doesn't help his case in being clearly understood.

I did get the feeling he felt put on the spot by Baez at that point with that line of questioning. Baez made it seem so cryptic. You could really see his dislike and anger towards that question (accusation?), his daughter and Baez even then. :twocents:

 

[natsound]

I know we have discussed this, but would there be anything to determine cause of death after 2 months out in the elements (if that's what you're referring to)? And what the heck did YM have to do with RK? He didn't ignore his calls, did he? Why shouldn't YM be appreciated and admired for what he did do?

:chillout: We don't have to fight about it. YM was the lead detective in this case. Caylee's body was less than a mile from the house. LE could have done a better job by finding the skull that RK saw in August.

 

[Eidetic]

If you notice, cindy can't think that way either. She doesn't think in the abstract at all. Many times emotional based people can't understand the term "Reasonable Doubt". This jury was full of emotionally driven people.

And Casey used her radar to help hand pick the weak singled from the herd.

 

[MsMacGyver]

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Does CA ever, ever think before she opens her mouth? Here she changes what GA said around to make it sound as if he wanted KC punished for what she did to GA. jmo

Thats because CA thinks that way. I was glad to see that Dr. P gave GA the chance to give his own answer to that question. GA seemed very pleased when given the chance to set CA straight. I thought CA showed how off base she is through the whole interview. GA gave answers that made sense, CA gave answers that only made sense to her and FCA.

 

[LambChop]

:chillout: We don't have to fight about it. YM was the lead detective in this case. Caylee's body was less than a mile from the house. LE could have done a better job by finding the skull that RK saw in August.

Well I have to tell you there were many WSer's who were crazed on here trying to figure out where KC put Caylee and I was one of them. Our own members that were down there at the time searched everywhere they thought KC might have left Caylee. No one, no one would think she was right down the street. Who would do that??? Someone very lazy or someone who just did not care. KC qualifies for both. The officer in August dropped the ball and he paid the ultimate price by losing his job. But with all the tips they were receiving I think they did the best they could. jmo

 

[RR0004]

:chillout: We don't have to fight about it. YM was the lead detective in this case. Caylee's body was less than a mile from the house. LE could have done a better job by finding the skull that RK saw in August.

Huh? Ok...I asked 3 questions...attack the post not the poster. I'm perfectly chilled, thank you. : )

 

[RR0004]

Well I have to tell you there were many WSer's who were crazed on here trying to figure out where KC put Caylee and I was one of them. Our own members that were down there at the time searched everywhere they thought KC might have left Caylee. No one, no one would think she was right down the street. Who would do that??? Someone very lazy or someone who just did not care. KC qualifies for both. The officer in August dropped the ball and he paid the ultimate price by losing his job. But with all the tips they were receiving I think they did the best they could. jmo

...and our (meaning all those WS smarties) expert ping records were used during those searchs...and IIRC the pings placed her further away during those "windows of opportunity".
I always felt kinda bad about that.

 

[natsound]

Well I have to tell you there were many WSer's who were crazed on here trying to figure out where KC put Caylee and I was one of them. Our own members that were down there at the time searched everywhere they thought KC might have left Caylee. No one, no one would think she was right down the street. Who would do that??? Someone very lazy or someone who just did not care. KC qualifies for both. The officer in August dropped the ball and he paid the ultimate price by losing his job. But with all the tips they were receiving I think they did the best they could. jmo

I don't think it's uncommon for bodies to be dumped close by. There was already some evidence that KC tried to bury Caylee in the back yard. Also, we can't forget that KC's pings cell phone pings kept her in the area.

 

[logicalgirl]

I don't think it's uncommon for bodies to be dumped close by. There was already some evidence that KC tried to bury Caylee in the back yard. Also, we can't forget that KC's pings cell phone pings kept her in the area.

Yes, I think you are right - apparently it is a common occurrence for mothers who kill their children to dispose of them close to home. I guess the problem was we didn't see FCA as a "motherly" person or something...but after the fact I wonder why the LE didn't almost immediately go over that piece of land inch by inch...Yes, I know - flooded...