Dr. Phil's Interview w/ George & Cindy Anthony - Thread #3

[sleutherontheside]

https://csapp.800helpfla.com/cspublicapp/giftgiversquery/giftgiversquery.aspx

Enter the foundation name here for info.

 

[marge_rita]

That's right. All I've seen about their previous foundation was an 80% expenditure for administrative costs or something to that affect. MOO.

That made me get a sour stomach. 80% for administration cost.....means the administrators got new desk, computers, cars? :banghead:

 

[watcher9]

https://csapp.800helpfla.com/cspublicapp/giftgiversquery/giftgiversquery.aspx

Enter the foundation name here for info.

Typing in Caylee on this site, I found the following -

1
Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation, Inc., Orlando, FL Print
Registration Number :CH29385 Expiration Date : 4/23/2012
Revenue Source : DCS Statement of Support/Revenue (12/31/2010)
Total Revenue : $334.61 Program Services Expenses : $749.18 55%
Total Expenses : $1,355.19 Administrative Expenses : $606.01 45%
Surplus/Deficit : -$1,020.58 Fund-Raising Expenses : $.00 0%

Caylee'Sfund Foundation, Inc., Orlando, FL Print
Registration Number :CH35136 Expiration Date : 9/13/2012
Revenue Source : Budget *** Limited Financial Information *** (06/30/2012)
Total Revenue : $.00 Program Services Expenses : $.00 0%
Total Expenses : $.00 Administrative Expenses : $.00 0%
Surplus/Deficit : $.00 Fund-Raising Expenses : $.00 0%

 

[Peazzzer]

Forgive me, I called in last year to some fraud hotline and reported the 1st foundation they started and I am sure many others did too as it was posted on another website. I cant remember what I did yesterday and I sure cant remember that. I am sure it can be found in a typed in search. The person I spoke to sounded surprised that I wanted it checked out until I said Caylee was found in december 08 so why does it say help find Caylee in 10? doh. None of us are as gullible as the ants think we are-criminetley!

 

[BellaVita]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaVita
IMO, there was definitely a big fight on June 15th. That would not have been heresay. Instead CA said they had a big cuddle party. She testified that Casey was a great mom, no problems. Everything was great according to CA. The foreman said there was no motive for the murder because the grandparents took care of Caylee whenever Casey wanted them to. He didn't think there was any friction over that. He didn't feel Casey had any motive. CA could have blown that belief sky-high with honest testimony. So I think CA may have had more influence on the verdict than many believe.

Maybe...sure there was a fight - after they watched the video most likely - but I think the problem was with the foreman, not CA. The jury knew she did not work and lied about work, CA was constantly contradicted when she was on the stand - who knows? Would the jury have believed the parents if they said she was a terrible parent? Would the parents have been able to provide proof of neglect? Don't think so ...

You are right there was a problem with the foreman and there was plenty of evidence for conviction even without CA telling the complete truth from day one. The foreman believed what CA was selling for the most part and excused anything else because she was on meds and a grieving grandmother and he thought that accounted for some memory lapses. Yes, he was a great judge of people(in his own words).

I don't think that proof of neglect or being a terrible parent was the issue. Even though not required, the foreman wanted a motive for what happened. In his mind, and he stated this, Casey had a built-in babysitter so she was able to do whatever she wanted without Caylee around. The Anthonys, all of them, would have provided a much more clear-cut motive if they had been honest from day 1 about what was really going on in that house. And I'm sure there is much more we have never heard. Much worse than what is already out there.

If the A's had been forthright, that may have "connected the dots" for Jennifer Ford as well. The jury was not up to the challenge of deliberating this case as presented. Ford said the chloroform evidence was a maze she couldn't get out of so she gave up. It seems they were only able to understand things like the OS. So, IMO, if the A's had served up the juicy details of life with Casey, it may have had an effect on a jury that was only interested in the outlandish soap opera tales of JB & FCA.

 

[crimesnooper]

From the American Institute of Philanthropy( I am trying to put in the link)
http://www.charitywatch.org/aboutaip.html

Q. Won’t a charity provide me with all the information I need to make an informed giving decision?
A. A charity that wants your donation has little incentive to criticize itself. They may choose not to reveal true but unflattering information about themselves. Also, the financial information that charities are willing to make easily available to donors is often unclear and incomplete. You need an independent watchdog who can objectively analyze a charity’s finances and management practices.

Private charities are not required to disclose financial information to the public except the 990's and ez tax card. A media member might try and file under the Freedom I Act. If there is another site that says private non profits' records are public record, please...list the site.

 

[crimesnooper]

Financial records are kept and reported. They are available to the public.

I guess they could do what they wanted but it will be reported. We will know what, if anything they took in the form if salary.

And Dr. Phil will too.

Bolded by me. Will you list the site that says private non profits must open their records to the public beside the fed 990's.?

 

[crimesnooper]

Interesting post. Crimesnooper, do you know if besides the $49,999 ea that the Anthonys can be paid without discloser, can they use monies from the fund for other expenses? Can transportation (cars),office (their house maybe), phones, food (for meetings) and things such as this be paid for out of the foundations monies? Thanks.

Well here is where those watch dog groups are invaluable.
If they do not have an office outside there home, but list "rent" then they are most likely using a portion of their home to "rent" to the foundation..same as phone ect. They can buy a car for the foundations. They would have to declare how much they personally use the car for non foundation purposed on their own individual tax.
The big problem, I see..is that without a line item accounting it's hard to decipher on the 990's what went where. It's so general. The IRS, due to Congress, is stepping up, the requirments and the new forms have been revised as I understand it.

personally I think every non profit, and that includes religious, should be required to file a line item expense report annualy in their home state of incorporation and operation, and it should be on line free, Just MO

 

[LambChop]

Well here is where those watch dog groups are invaluable.
If they do not have an office outside there home, but list "rent" then they are most likely using a portion of their home to "rent" to the foundation..same as phone ect. They can buy a car for the foundations. They would have to declare how much they personally use the car for non foundation purposed on their own individual tax.
The big problem, I see..is that without a line item accounting it's hard to decipher on the 990's what went where. It's so general. The IRS, due to Congress, is stepping up, the requirments and the new forms have been revised as I understand it.

personally I think every non profit, and that includes religious, should be required to file a line item expense report annualy in their home state of incorporation and operation, and it should be on line free, Just MO

I agree, absolutely, 100%. If you are a charity accepting money from public donations everything should be out in the open. All your expenses should be filed online. Just as you are entitled to information on investments you have made their charity information should be available on their website. This would give a donor a better idea of how their money will be spent and not just a lick and a promise. jmo

 

[logicalgirl]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaVita
IMO, there was definitely a big fight on June 15th. That would not have been heresay. Instead CA said they had a big cuddle party. She testified that Casey was a great mom, no problems. Everything was great according to CA. The foreman said there was no motive for the murder because the grandparents took care of Caylee whenever Casey wanted them to. He didn't think there was any friction over that. He didn't feel Casey had any motive. CA could have blown that belief sky-high with honest testimony. So I think CA may have had more influence on the verdict than many believe.



You are right there was a problem with the foreman and there was plenty of evidence for conviction even without CA telling the complete truth from day one. The foreman believed what CA was selling for the most part and excused anything else because she was on meds and a grieving grandmother and he thought that accounted for some memory lapses. Yes, he was a great judge of people(in his own words).

I don't think that proof of neglect or being a terrible parent was the issue. Even though not required, the foreman wanted a motive for what happened. In his mind, and he stated this, Casey had a built-in babysitter so she was able to do whatever she wanted without Caylee around. The Anthonys, all of them, would have provided a much more clear-cut motive if they had been honest from day 1 about what was really going on in that house. And I'm sure there is much more we have never heard. Much worse than what is already out there.

If the A's had been forthright, that may have "connected the dots" for Jennifer Ford as well. The jury was not up to the challenge of deliberating this case as presented. Ford said the chloroform evidence was a maze she couldn't get out of so she gave up. It seems they were only able to understand things like the OS. So, IMO, if the A's had served up the juicy details of life with Casey, it may have had an effect on a jury that was only interested in the outlandish soap opera tales of JB & FCA.

You are probably right - but what concerns me if this family had come down hard on her and talked about the theft of money, FCA not working, always wanting a babysitter - who's to say this crazy jury wouldn't have gone into protective mode - and thought - wow - they are so mean to this poor "little girl" - they probably killed the baby themselves. I guess it's that if they couldn't see who the murderer with the mountain of evidence - I'm not sure they had the logical thinking ability to connect it to Casey even if the A's were more truthful.

 

[coco puff]

Sorry I forgot the IMO. It was a continuation of my post above it.

To me, since it was posed in a question where Dr. Phil was explaining that he dis not expect the A's to get any if the money, it is my opinion he was making sure the A's knew the fund would be monitored.

Mark lippman said they were going to draw salaries from the foundation since they can't work. ***WFTV-Channel 9’s Mary Nguyen reported that George and Cindy Anthony, Casey’s parents, are setting up a foundation called Caylee’s Fund to focus on grandparents’ rights. Mark Lippman, the couple’s attorney, told WFTV that the Anthonys plan to be the nonprofit’s officers and draw salaries because they are unable to work. Nguyen said the new nonprofit would be separate from the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation, which will remain active.

http://justice4caylee.forumotion.ne...-heard-about-casey-world-a-new-foundation-hal

 

[bayouland]

I have read several times that FCA was making continual eye contact with one of the juror's. Has anyone said whether it was the jury foreman or not? If so, I missed it.

Just speculating that it may have been. If so, her manipulation by mere eye contact is beyond frightening.

JMO.

 

[MsMacGyver]

Well here is where those watch dog groups are invaluable.
If they do not have an office outside there home, but list "rent" then they are most likely using a portion of their home to "rent" to the foundation..same as phone ect. They can buy a car for the foundations. They would have to declare how much they personally use the car for non foundation purposed on their own individual tax.
The big problem, I see..is that without a line item accounting it's hard to decipher on the 990's what went where. It's so general. The IRS, due to Congress, is stepping up, the requirments and the new forms have been revised as I understand it.

personally I think every non profit, and that includes religious, should be required to file a line item expense report annualy in their home state of incorporation and operation, and it should be on line free, Just MO[/QUOTE]


But would they not have to supply the government with an itemized report?
When I was in farming business, I had to separate everything into catagories, supplies, phone, lights, repairs...I could see if it was similar they could get away with a certain amount of manuvering but if they were ever audited they might be in trouble.

 

[PAXIMUS]

You are probably right - but what concerns me if this family had come down hard on her and talked about the theft of money, FCA not working, always wanting a babysitter - who's to say this crazy jury wouldn't have gone into protective mode - and thought - wow - they are so mean to this poor "little girl" - they probably killed the baby themselves. I guess it's that if they couldn't see who the murderer with the mountain of evidence - I'm not sure they had the logical thinking ability to connect it to Casey even if the A's were more truthful.

Or the jury just saw that the state didnt prove its case or meet its burden and did what they were supposed to do by law...

I think its wonderful that we ask people to serve and do their duty and then we call them names like crazy, stupid, ignorant.

Also, what do people expect the Anthony family to do to support themselves, the same ones who gripe about them getting paid for books or interviews are the ones who stalk and bully them to the point they cant leave the house or get a job.

Same with KC, everyone wants her to work, do you think this same crowd would leave her or her employer alone long enough for that to happen? No.

 

[TexanMom]

I have read several times that FCA was making continual eye contact with one of the juror's. Has anyone said whether it was the jury foreman or not? If so, I missed it.

Just speculating that it may have been. If so, her manipulation by mere eye contact is beyond frightening.

JMO.

Whenever the jury would come in or leave I noticed FCA smiling and winking. Turns out the direction where she was smiling and winking was right where the jury was seated. That was just a bit inappropriate!

 

[feddup]

Mark lippman said they were going to draw salaries from the foundation since they can't work. ***WFTV-Channel 9’s Mary Nguyen reported that George and Cindy Anthony, Casey’s parents, are setting up a foundation called Caylee’s Fund to focus on grandparents’ rights. Mark Lippman, the couple’s attorney, told WFTV that the Anthonys plan to be the nonprofit’s officers and draw salaries because they are unable to work. Nguyen said the new nonprofit would be separate from the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation, which will remain active.

http://justice4caylee.forumotion.ne...-heard-about-casey-world-a-new-foundation-hal

Did anyone ask Lippman exactly what their disabilities are?

 

[LambChop]

Whenever the jury would come in or leave I noticed FCA smiling and winking. Turns out the direction where she was smiling and winking was right where the jury was seated. That was just a bit inappropriate!

There is one clip in one of the threads here recently when she has that oversized beige sweater on, I think, and you can see her smiling, making eye contact and then there's that thing she does when she feels she's scored a point. I've seen her do it to JB and it's a look on her face like "he thinks I'm hot." But she was definitely looking in the direction of the jury. Her eyebrows go up as if to say, "Definite possibilities." jmo

Here it is at the 1 minute mark:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AIVWg0-nHI"]Former Anthony judge breaks silence - YouTube[/ame]

 

[PAXIMUS]

Speculation is fun isnt it?

 

[LambChop]

Speculation is fun isnt it?

And interesting at the very least. lol

 

[RR0004]

Or the jury just saw that the state didnt prove its case or meet its burden and did what they were supposed to do by law...

I think its wonderful that we ask people to serve and do their duty and then we call them names like crazy, stupid, ignorant.

Also, what do people expect the Anthony family to do to support themselves, the same ones who gripe about them getting paid for books or interviews are the ones who stalk and bully them to the point they cant leave the house or get a job.

Same with KC, everyone wants her to work, do you think this same crowd would leave her or her employer alone long enough for that to happen? No.

Plenty of people work from home. But, I guess Casey will have to get a job to pay those mounting court costs and IRS bills. I don't see anyone wanting to pay blood money for her story. They can get that for free right here. Maybe it will be easier for her to work when she relocates out of the country. I would think most countries expect you to show employment before they grant residency status. Bringing in loads of money to another country may be another issue. I guess she could always establish accounts in the Caymans.
PS- who's stalking the Anthonys???