Dr. Wecht is interviewed regarding the Ramsey case.

[KoldKase]

Here's the thing; I like differing view points but I will not allow posters to be rude to others.

If you want to remain on this forum then refrain from attacking the poster or being rude in any way.

If you do not know what I am talking about then that's a good thing. Means you are not being rude

A few of the threads in the JBR forum are getting off track. Please keep it civil.

Thank you,
Tricia

You make it awful hard on an old grump.... :snooty:

 

[KoldKase]

The birefringement material has been reported from several sources as being consistent with the paintbrush material.

Of course we have never seen the lab report...at least, I can't remember seeing it, so if I'm just forgetting, love to be corrected.

Common sense is about all we have to go on, then: the tip of the paintbrush was missing. The paintbrush was used in the garrote construction. The body was at some point laid beside the paint tray. A green paint strip and carpet fiber were found on JonBenet's chin, consistent with the paint found in Patsy's tray and the basement carpet. Smit alleged that urine on carpet outside the cellar door came from JonBenet--that would be confirmed by DNA from skin cells, as well, I believe.

So if something besides the paintbrush was shoved into JonBenet, yet another amazing coincidence it also was consistent with the paintbrush materials. So many coincidences; why would you prefer to believe that rather than the obvious? When do you start to ask yourself if maybe some of these are NOT coincidences?

I can only conclude that some people just refuse to consider that the three people in the home that night could have done this, no matter how much evidence there is that points straight to them and no one else.

 

[cynic]

Steve Thomas says something similar about a wooden splinter in his book.

You're right, I had forgotten that one.

Then we had the experts assess why a tiny splinter had been found in JonBenet’s vagina.
The cellulose splinter was believed to have come from the same paintbrush that had been used to make the garrotte.
Although the source of the splinter was never definitively proved, I considered it highly unlikely that it originated anywhere else.
And that brush belonged to Patsy Ramsey.
JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation – Steve Thomas, Page 254

 

[UKGuy]

You're right, I had forgotten that one.

Then we had the experts assess why a tiny splinter had been found in JonBenet’s vagina.
The cellulose splinter was believed to have come from the same paintbrush that had been used to make the garrotte.
Although the source of the splinter was never definitively proved, I considered it highly unlikely that it originated anywhere else.
And that brush belonged to Patsy Ramsey.
JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation – Steve Thomas, Page 254

cynic,

There is so much evidence its easy to miss stuff.

http://www.acandyrose.com/01301997warrant.htm

Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she witnessed the autopsy of JonBenet Ramsey which was conducted by Dr. John Meyer on December 26, 1996. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she observed Dr. Meyer examine the vaginal area of the victim and heard him state that the victim had received an injury consistent with digital penetration of her vagina. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer told her that is was his opinion that the victim had been subjected to sexual contact.

If you accept that the paintbrush handle was used to injure JonBenet, and that Coroner Meyer opined that JonBenet's vagina was digitally penetrated and that she had been subjected to sexual contact. This seems to place the paintbrush injury in a different category from the acute molestation.

If you then consider:
JonBenet Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation Chapt. 32. states:-

Detective Harmer presented a surprising anatomy lesson on vaginas to a meeting attended primarly for men. She showed a picture of the vagina of a normal healthy six-year-old girl and contrasted it with a photo of the vagina of jonBenet. Even to the uninformed the visual difference was apparent, and Harmer cited the experts who said there was evidence of chronic sexual abuse although the detectives referred to it only as 'prior vaginal trauma.'

This is the smoking gun KoldKase refers to since it alleges prior chronic molestation.

This evidence is more powerful than the unmatched dna evidence since it suggests a motive, opportunity etc for the death and staging of JonBenet and characterises the case as that of a sexually motivated homicide.


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[CathyR]

The manner in which Detective Harmer presented her evidence is what I question. Go back to the same experts and present the information all of it and I bet the majority will be changing their tune or conclusions.

Detective Harmer knew exactly what she was doing as the coroner most likely explained why he made his statement to Arndt then did not put it in his report after reading her medical history. He found an underlying cause for the redness of her labia and the erosion of her hymen.
With that medical history he was not willing to risk his job or future employment opportunities by stating that abuse was the cause of the redness and erosion. It does not mean she wasn't abused only that underlying causes did exist and he can not come to a FIRM conclusion that it was caused solely by abuse or in that fact by her medical history either. He leaves it up in the air as he cannot come to that conclusion based solely on her body examination and medical history.

More proof of abuse must be presented at court if the DA expects to be able to prove it.
I'm sure Lin Wood is prepared to file a law suit against any Dr who claims this,
based on the autopsy report alone.
When confronted on the stand about her long history of medical issues the Dr would be forced to admit that the redness and erosion could have been caused by the UTI's etc. It would behoove the defense to ask the Dr if he was presented with her medical history and if the answer is no then the prosecution looks like they are "cherry picking" evidence, manipulating the evidence and expert witnesses, and that they are not basing their claim of guilt of whoever on all the evidence. It would in essence let the Dr off the hook. If something doesn't make the defendant look guilty then throw out that evidence and ignore it. I bet if confronted with a lawsuit the Dr would be glad to support the R's claim the DA is on a witch hunt and did not present them with all the necessary information for him to make an expert opinion of what happened.
I am not saying JBR was not abused but that the DA is going to need something besides these experts that Det. Harmer manipulated by presenting only half the information needed. She knew what to leave out--- her prior long term history of UTI's, vaginitis, bladder infections, etc.
In order to prove it The DA is going to need more than this. If abuse occurred I hope they are able to prove it but this isn't proof, it is manipulation of the evidence and experts. I am not a lawyer and I saw through it.

 

[joeskidbeck]

I think we all know that nobody will ever pay for this crime. Lin Wood will tear every piece of evidence to shreds no matter what it is or how it's presented. That's a given and that's why JonBenet's killer/killers still walk free today and always will. We are not the jury on this case and we all have our opinions on the molestation. That's all they are for the most part; opinions. After all, I don't think any of us believe one of the Ramseys (or anyone else for that matter) got up that day and decided to kill JonBenet.
I do believe that there are many experts that determined she was sexually abused before that night and they know much more about it than I do. Even if they didn't believe it, there is no way you will make me believe she wasn't molested based on the number of doctor visits alone. They weren't for colds and ear infections, they were for UTI's and vaginal infections and the numbers are ridiculus for a six year old girl. Spin it any way you want if it makes you feel better about this child's death, but I have enough intelliegence to form my own opinions based on real expert opinion.

 

[CathyR]

I think we all know that nobody will ever pay for this crime. Lin Wood will tear every piece of evidence to shreds no matter what it is or how it's presented. That's a given and that's why JonBenet's killer/killers still walk free today and always will. We are not the jury on this case and we all have our opinions on the molestation. That's all they are for the most part; opinions. After all, I don't think any of us believe one of the Ramseys (or anyone else for that matter) got up that day and decided to kill JonBenet.
I do believe that there are many experts that determined she was sexually abused before that night and they know much more about it than I do. Even if they didn't believe it, there is no way you will make me believe she wasn't molested based on the number of doctor visits alone. They weren't for colds and ear infections, they were for UTI's and vaginal infections and the numbers are ridiculus for a six year old girl. Spin it any way you want if it makes you feel better about this child's death, but I have enough intelliegence to form my own opinions based on real expert opinion.

I don't have a spin just a requirement..... I pretend I'm a juror on the case and the evidence has to be beyond a reasonable doubt. I am not questioning your intelligence or how you feel about a child being murdered. I wish you would extend the same courtesy.
We actually agree on quite a few points that are important.

1.Her Dr should have examined her better, looking for other signs of abuse, maybe even suggesting she be taken to a counselor to figure out why her bed wetting and fecal incontinence was occurring. He failed JBR in his duty to protect her if there is good evidence she was being abused.


What has been posted so far isn't enough to convince me beyond reasonable doubt. Another poster pointed out that other info the BPD has hasn't been released. If it is enough to determine abuse from her parents or siblings they haven't moved on it .....yet. I wonder why they would delay, they can prove molestation but not murder. I think the two are directly connected in an RDI theory.

2. Nobody thinks the BPD did a stellar job collecting evidence or investigating the case.

3. Regardless who did it we would all like to see justice served.

If a person isn't posting and reading because they would like to see a resolution to this case then this discussion is nothing more than a glorified gossip group. I haven't felt that from this group. Instead I see a lot of people who are Passionate about their beliefs and all think the killing of JBR for what ever reason by whom ever did it is WRONG.

 

[DeeDee249]

The testimony of experts who reviewed JB's autopsy and photos is enough for me. So is the determination of her coroner, who said he thought she had been digitally penetrated. The FACT that she had vaginal bruising, bleeding and hymenal erosion and abrasions PROVES sexual abuse, whether you believe it happened only that night or on previous occasions. And I am astounded at the reasoning of anyone who would think otherwise. Bubblebaths don't cause bruising, bleeding or hymenal abrasions. The extent to which some people go to refute an autopsy report and explain away these injuries in a dead child is mind-boggling.

SOMETHING penetrated JB's vagina, and no matter who or what it was, THAT is sexual assault. And that is beyond a reasonable doubt that there was sexual contact of some type.

 

[joeskidbeck]

I don't have a spin just a requirement..... I pretend I'm a juror on the case and the evidence has to be beyond a reasonable doubt. I am not questioning your intelligence or how you feel about a child being murdered. I wish you would extend the same courtesy.
We actually agree on quite a few points that are important.

1.Her Dr should have examined her better, looking for other signs of abuse, maybe even suggesting she be taken to a counselor to figure out why her bed wetting and fecal incontinence was occurring. He failed JBR in his duty to protect her if there is good evidence she was being abused.


What has been posted so far isn't enough to convince me beyond reasonable doubt. Another poster pointed out that other info the BPD has hasn't been released. If it is enough to determine abuse from her parents or siblings they haven't moved on it .....yet. I wonder why they would delay, they can prove molestation but not murder. I think the two are directly connected in an RDI theory.

2. Nobody thinks the BPD did a stellar job collecting evidence or investigating the case.

3. Regardless who did it we would all like to see justice served.

If a person isn't posting and reading because they would like to see a resolution to this case then this discussion is nothing more than a glorified gossip group. I haven't felt that from this group. Instead I see a lot of people who are Passionate about their beliefs and all think the killing of JBR for what ever reason by whom ever did it is WRONG.

I in no way intended to question your intelligence and if I did, please accept my apology. I try to always extend courtesy to everyone on this board whether they are RDI, IDI, or GNIWDI (Got No Idea Who Did It). It is obvious that you are a very intelligent person who wants all the facts before making an informed decision and I respect that. I've read all the professional opinions on this case as well as some of the most intelligent and informed posters in the country and I agree with most of what I've read. Said all that to say this: If I were a juror on this case, some of the things that you believe would cause reasonable doubt are some of the very things that I think would prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and THAT is why this case will never be prosecuted. Funny if you think about it. You and I are the reasons she will never see justice. The DA knows he can't win a case where the evidence was compromised from the start and all the experts seemed to compromise it even more and it boils down to reasonable doubt. You see it and I don't. The good thing, here at Websleuths, is that it's ok to disagree. No one has to believe the way Trisha does to be a member in good standing or to be respected by other posters. So....I'll respect your opinion and I hope you will respect mine.
Becky

 

[CathyR]

The testimony of experts who reviewed JB's autopsy and photos is enough for me. So is the determination of her coroner, who said he thought she had been digitally penetrated. The FACT that she had vaginal bruising, bleeding and hymenal erosion and abrasions PROVES sexual abuse, whether you believe it happened only that night or on previous occasions. And I am astounded at the reasoning of anyone who would think otherwise. Bubblebaths don't cause bruising, bleeding or hymenal abrasions. The extent to which some people go to refute an autopsy report and explain away these injuries in a dead child is mind-boggling.






I have cited repeatedly that her urine and fecal problems combined with the issues they created are what caused the damage. I cite the medical evidence as posted above that shows what kind of issues can occur with young girls. Add to that her bad hygiene habits and a breeding ground for bacteria is likely. IT IS THE BACTERIA not so much Bubble Baths.

If Bubble baths had anything to due with it it would only aggravate an already existing condition. I don't know if Patsy did give her Bubble Baths. I'll look for stuff in the photos of her bathroom.

SOMETHING penetrated JB's vagina, and no matter who or what it was, THAT is sexual assault. And that is beyond a reasonable doubt that there was sexual contact of some type.[/QUOT


I agree she was assaulted that night !!!! The area where her worst(newest) injuries occurred are at what position of the clock. The area where the evidence cited for abuse is located at 7 o'clock. I think they are in different positions.


I don't doubt it as much as koldkase has posted some items from one of the books by one of the LE in this case. Now you have to tie it to a member of the family and who dun it is even harder. I haven't read any statements from Patsy or John about the assault. However I did notice the same source said the experts consulted were informed of her prior medical history so my assumption was that they didn't know about it and how biased that is.

Since they knew I have to ask WHY THE HECK HASN'T the BPD arrested someone? At least the Dr. To get the point across they are serious about her murder and his failure to report an obvious case of child abuse.

Read this article and tell me if you think JBR got this kind of diagnosis. It seems just giving them antibiotics doesn't cure all UTI's. There was a recommendation to do further studies if a patient JBR's age presented 3 times in a year. Some antibiotics given for respiratory problems can cause flair ups too. JBR went to the Dr. A lot and not just for UTI's. I read somewhere she went 27 times in 1 year, 3 for UTI's or related issues. The rest were respiratory in nature. I followed a link to another link it may have been the infamous "jamesons" site so I don't know if that is true. I think there may be some privacy issues so the info may not be accurate.


http://www.aafp.org/afp/980515ap/heller.html


How long had her bed wetting been going on?

 

[DeeDee249]

Bacteria do not cause BRUISING. She bled enough THAT NIGHT to require wiping of her thighs and pubic area. There was blood in areas of her vagina. There was an eroded hymen. What part of that is caused by irritation or infection? NONE.

Odd that "infection" could cause those injuries on the same night she was murdered, isn't it?

It has been explained to you more times than should be necessary. Rationalize whatever you want. The coroner found sexual assault. End of story.

There was NO reason to arrest the doctor. He committed no crime. There is no way to PROVE he suspected abuse. He may have, and chose to do nothing because he was a friend of her parents. Or he may have not WANTED to investigate. But there was NO reason medically for him to perform an internal exam, and without that, there would be no reason to see any evidence of abuse.
I will say that the doctor claimed to have locked JB's medical records in a safe deposit box (to keep them from being stolen or copied by tabloids, he said). We don't know if LE ever saw her complete records. There may be more there than we are aware of.
No one has been arrested in this case for reasons we have been discussing for years. And all the reasons are pretty much the same. There are two words: INCOMPETENCE and INTIMIDATION. There's your explanation. Notice the ABSENCE of the word "evidence". There was plenty of that.

 

[Bobbarita]

Bacteria do not cause BRUISING. She bled enough THAT NIGHT to require wiping of her thighs and pubic area. There was blood in areas of her vagina. There was an eroded hymen. What part of that is caused by irritation or infection? NONE.

Odd that "infection" could cause those injuries on the same night she was murdered, isn't it?

It has been explained to you more times than should be necessary. Rationalize whatever you want. The coroner found sexual assault. End of story.

That's for sure.

 

[madeleine]

Laughing, Wecht said that when he has a full head of his own hair, "That's when they'll find the 'intruder' in the JonBenet Ramsey case."



http://www.heraldstandard.com/news_...-famous-cases-that-captivated-the-nation.html

 

[madeleine]

The birefringement material has been reported from several sources as being consistent with the paintbrush material.

Of course we have never seen the lab report...at least, I can't remember seeing it, so if I'm just forgetting, love to be corrected.

Common sense is about all we have to go on, then: the tip of the paintbrush was missing. The paintbrush was used in the garrote construction. The body was at some point laid beside the paint tray. A green paint strip and carpet fiber were found on JonBenet's chin, consistent with the paint found in Patsy's tray and the basement carpet. Smit alleged that urine on carpet outside the cellar door came from JonBenet--that would be confirmed by DNA from skin cells, as well, I believe.

So if something besides the paintbrush was shoved into JonBenet, yet another amazing coincidence it also was consistent with the paintbrush materials. So many coincidences; why would you prefer to believe that rather than the obvious? When do you start to ask yourself if maybe some of these are NOT coincidences?

I can only conclude that some people just refuse to consider that the three people in the home that night could have done this, no matter how much evidence there is that points straight to them and no one else.

Does this mean that the garrote was applied on her neck in the other room where the paint tray was and not in the wine cellar?

 

[madeleine]

The boiler room?
I am always having trouble remembering the rooms down there....

 

[madeleine]

and can someone pls remind me in which room the unwrapped gifts were found?TIA

 

[joeskidbeck]

and can someone pls remind me in which room the unwrapped gifts were found?TIA

Madeleine, I don't know about all of the gifts, but at least one was found in the room with JonBenet. You can see the wrapping paper in one of the crime scene photos.

 

[believe09]

I am just doing a drive by here-but I have some experience with Dr. Wecht and he is DA BOMB. I worked on a UID in his patch who for a short time we believed was Billy Smolinski based upon the gold chain and the belt found with the UID.

He answers his own phone. He will talk to anyone who has anything that might clear up a case. Love him.

 

[madeleine]

I am just doing a drive by here-but I have some experience with Dr. Wecht and he is DA BOMB. I worked on a UID in his patch who for a short time we believed was Billy Smolinski based upon the gold chain and the belt found with the UID.

He answers his own phone. He will talk to anyone who has anything that might clear up a case. Love him.

Does he have an email addy?I couldn't find one.I emailed S.Singular and he was kind and answered,not the answer I wanted ,still,was nice to reply.I would like to ask Wecht something.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Bacteria do not cause BRUISING. She bled enough THAT NIGHT to require wiping of her thighs and pubic area. There was blood in areas of her vagina. There was an eroded hymen. What part of that is caused by irritation or infection? NONE.

Odd that "infection" could cause those injuries on the same night she was murdered, isn't it?

It has been explained to you more times than should be necessary. Rationalize whatever you want. The coroner found sexual assault. End of story.

There was NO reason to arrest the doctor. He committed no crime. There is no way to PROVE he suspected abuse. He may have, and chose to do nothing because he was a friend of her parents. Or he may have not WANTED to investigate. But there was NO reason medically for him to perform an internal exam, and without that, there would be no reason to see any evidence of abuse.
I will say that the doctor claimed to have locked JB's medical records in a safe deposit box (to keep them from being stolen or copied by tabloids, he said). We don't know if LE ever saw her complete records. There may be more there than we are aware of.
No one has been arrested in this case for reasons we have been discussing for years. And all the reasons are pretty much the same. There are two words: INCOMPETENCE and INTIMIDATION. There's your explanation. Notice the ABSENCE of the word "evidence". There was plenty of that.

excellent post! Thanks!