Drew Peterson's Trial *FOURTH WEEK*

[Livingthedream]

It's almost lunch time. The jury has heard what today, maybe 15 minutes of testimony? LOL.

 

[Jackson44]

The jury walked in, sat down, got up, walked out. The jury walked in, sat down, got up, walked out. Repeat, repeat,repeat.....

 

[Cubby]

In Session The witness says she saw in Dr. Mitchell’s protocol some “mild thickening” in one of the valves of Savio’s heart. She says that is not uncommon for a woman of Savio’s age. “The lungs weighed about 900 grams . . . filled with a large amount of pulmonary edema fluid, which is an abnormal finding. But that’s part of the death process, the reason for her being dead . . . the appearance of the brain was normal. The only abnormal thing was cerebral edema; there was swelling of the brain . . . this is a change happening at the very end of her life. Other than that, her brain was normal . . . this is a woman who has died as a result of drowning . . . she has no other outstanding reason to be dead.”

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Respectfully snipped.

BBM. I am confused. Is pulmonary edema fluid different from the water found in her lungs? Or is pulmonary edema a condition caused due to the inhalation of the water which caused KS to drown?

Pulmonary edema is a condition caused by excess fluid in the lungs. This fluid collects in the numerous air sacs in the lungs, making it difficult to breathe.
In most cases, heart problems cause pulmonary edema. But fluid can accumulate for other reasons, including pneumonia, exposure to certain toxins and medications, and exercising or living at high elevations.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/pulmonary-edema/DS00412

 

[Shelby1]

Judge Burmila leaves the bench. The trial is in lunch recess until 1:15 CT/2:15 ET.


*grrrrrrr*

 

[rpgman]

another sidebar :banghead:

 

[Livingthedream]

Where's Nancy Grace when you need her? I would love to hear what she thinks of this joke of a trial so far.

 

[rpgman]

Judge Burmila leaves the bench. The trial is in lunch recess until 1:15 CT/2:15 ET.


*grrrrrrr*

15 minutes of testimony today.... :banghead:

why can't they resolve these sidebars WITHOUT having the jury leave the courtroom?

They did during the Anthony trial.

This Judge is something isn't he?

 

[Cubby]

In Session The jurors are now back in the courtroom, and the judge admonishes them that “the nature of what Dr. Case reviewed, you’re to ignore that.” Prosecutor Glasgow resumes his direct examination of Dr. Mary Case. She says that she reviewed the case file and looked at photographs of the death scene “to find out everything that I possibly could.” She identifies a photograph showing “the deceased in the bathtub, as she was found . . .there’s a lot of detail there. She’s lying on her left side . . . there’s evidence there’s been water in the blood . . . you can see certain post-mortem changes about her body.” Another photograph shows “again the deceased at the scene, in the tub . . . the shelving around the tub has a large number of bath and other related items, including towels . . . none of those items are knocked down.” A third photograph shows “a purple color along the right breast; that’s a change we see after death . . . you can see there’s some bloody material that has drained; that’s actually coming from a wound at the back of hear head.”
In Session The witness was able to examine Dr. Bryan Mitchell’s autopsy protocol. “She was in a good state of health at the time that she died . . . she had a number of injuries about her body . .. a laceration at the back of the head, behind the ear and not all the way at the back of the head. It measured one inch, and was horizontal . . . there was no disease in her organs . . .I would classify [Dr. Mitchell’s results] as normal.”

BCBM, IIRC this is the first I have seen testimony that there is evidence there's been water in the blood. Hopefully there will be some further explanation of such.

Sorry to quote myself. After reading about the pulmonary edema I am wondering if the Dr. means water in the blood in Kathleen's system/body or water in the blood found in the tub. Based on the pulmonary edema info, I am guessing she means in KS's system, not the tub.

Ok just thinking outloud..... might sound silly or stupid, but I imagine some of those same questions might be going through the juries mind. If they are not too distracted by pop tarting all day.

 

[CA Lady]

In Session The sidebar ends, and the jurors and witness are once again excused from the courtroom. Defense attorney Goldberg claims that &#8220;the prosecutor is trying to mislead the jury . . . now, the jury is left with the impression that Dr. Mitchell didn&#8217;t do something, which is the whole theory of the prosecution&#8217;s case . . . the coroner&#8217;s inquest ruled that it was an accident. But they&#8217;re trying to poison this jury, and convince this jury that Dr. Mitchell didn&#8217;t do something right . . .it would be entirely inappropriate for him [Dr. Mitchell] not to offer a manner of death; it&#8217;s not his job.&#8221; The judge questions this argument, asks if there&#8217;s some official reason Mitchell is prohibited from offering a manner of death. Goldberg continues to insist that this is unfair and prejudicial. Defense attorney Greenberg then joins the discussion, continues to insist that Dr. Larry Blum previously ruled that it was improper for a county coroner to offer a manner of death. The judge says that he will need some time to go over his notes of Dr. Blum&#8217;s testimony . . . and, due to the hour, he decides to call the lunch recess at this time.

 

[Cubby]

With the way they are pop tarting the jury, I think the court should be obligated to hire some type of entertainment to occupy the jury when they are sent back to the jury room. Maybe a comedian or a magician or something.

Honestly, what has crossed my mind. They should have taped the whole thing. Edited out everything the jury could not see and then let them see the info in one straight sitting. Wishful thinking.... but would have saved the jurors a lot of time.

 

[Shelby1]

15 minutes of testimony today.... :banghead:

why can't they resolve these sidebars WITHOUT having the jury leave the courtroom?

They did during the Anthony trial.

This Judge is something isn't he?

I don't understand why they have to leave all the time, either. Unless the courtroom is designed so poorly that they are within earshot of the judge? Heck, it would be faster for the judge and the lawyers to leave the room lol.

 

[Livingthedream]

Stay tuned, all. We are set for another 15 minutes of testimony in the afternoon. By weeks end, we should have a whole hour in!!

 

[WindyCityGirl]

THREE years of pre-trial hearings. WTH have they been doing?
This judge is not managing the court very well. I think while they defense may be doing their job, they are also obstructing the courtroom inappropriately.

:cursing:


QUOTE=CA Lady;8285370]In Session The sidebar ends, and the jurors and witness are once again excused from the courtroom. Defense attorney Goldberg claims that “the prosecutor is trying to mislead the jury . . . now, the jury is left with the impression that Dr. Mitchell didn’t do something, which is the whole theory of the prosecution’s case . . . the coroner’s inquest ruled that it was an accident. But they’re trying to poison this jury, and convince this jury that Dr. Mitchell didn’t do something right . . .it would be entirely inappropriate for him [Dr. Mitchell] not to offer a manner of death; it’s not his job.” The judge questions this argument, asks if there’s some official reason Mitchell is prohibited from offering a manner of death. Goldberg continues to insist that this is unfair and prejudicial. Defense attorney Greenberg then joins the discussion, continues to insist that Dr. Larry Blum previously ruled that it was improper for a county coroner to offer a manner of death. The judge says that he will need some time to go over his notes of Dr. Blum’s testimony . . . and, due to the hour, he decides to call the lunch recess at this time.[/QUOTE]

 

[rpgman]

I don't understand why they have to leave all the time, either. Unless the courtroom is designed so poorly that they are within earshot of the judge? Heck, it would be faster for the judge and the lawyers to leave the room lol.

exactly, during the Anthony trial they had many sidebars that sometimes lasted a half hour, but they didn't excuse the jury.

and, if it's true that their within earshot of the jury, then take it into the judges chambers with the court reporter. There's no need to keep sending the jury out and back in on every little dispute.

 

[rpgman]

Stay tuned, all. We are set for another 15 minutes of testimony in the afternoon. By weeks end, we should have a whole hour in!!

lol.
That's funny

 

[mysteriew]

Honestly, what has crossed my mind. They should have taped the whole thing. Edited out everything the jury could not see and then let them see the info in one straight sitting. Wishful thinking.... but would have saved the jurors a lot of time.

Excellent idea! The jury could watch the 4-6 hours of allowable testimony from the X number of weeks of trial and quickly come up with a verdict. Much more efficient! And propably more interesting,

 

[Cubby]

In Session The sidebar ends, and the jurors and witness are once again excused from the courtroom. Defense attorney Goldberg claims that &#8220;the prosecutor is trying to mislead the jury . . . now, the jury is left with the impression that Dr. Mitchell didn&#8217;t do something, which is the whole theory of the prosecution&#8217;s case . . . the coroner&#8217;s inquest ruled that it was an accident. But they&#8217;re trying to poison this jury, and convince this jury that Dr. Mitchell didn&#8217;t do something right . . .it would be entirely inappropriate for him [Dr. Mitchell] not to offer a manner of death; it&#8217;s not his job.&#8221; The judge questions this argument, asks if there&#8217;s some official reason Mitchell is prohibited from offering a manner of death. Goldberg continues to insist that this is unfair and prejudicial. Defense attorney Greenberg then joins the discussion, continues to insist that Dr. Larry Blum previously ruled that it was improper for a county coroner to offer a manner of death. The judge says that he will need some time to go over his notes of Dr. Blum&#8217;s testimony . . . and, due to the hour, he decides to call the lunch recess at this time.

Can someone explain what the above was all about? Aside from a temper tantrum that everything is unfair and prejudicial? Because I am simply not getting the defense's point.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

With the way they are pop tarting the jury, I think the court should be obligated to hire some type of entertainment to occupy the jury when they are sent back to the jury room. Maybe a comedian or a magician or something.

BBM: :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: I am LOL !

:waitasec: The DT "thinks" they are "comedians" and "thinks" they will "magically" get DP off ...

So there are :clown::clown::clown: and :jester::jester::jester: in the courtroom ...

And :back: :rollercoaster:

And :Banane10: :Bananacostume:
:Banane59: :Banane43: :Banane12:

 

[Shelby1]

OT:

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/category/237922/live-video-1

Andrea Sneiderman's hearing can be seen here if you want to watch.

 

[rpgman]

Can someone explain what the above was all about? Aside from a temper tantrum that everything is unfair and prejudicial? Because I am simply not getting the defense's point.

It seems to me, no one knew how to call this death a murder or an accident.
Or, no one spoke up.

Maybe, it's because it's a ex-wife of a law enforcement officer, they just assumed it was an accident and left it at that.