Drew Peterson's Trial *FOURTH WEEK*

[AngelWings444]

This was the pic used in court today.

Such a pretty face. Both of these women deserved so much more! I really hope justice is served for Kathleen. Maybe someday, they will find Stacy. Breaks my heart for all of those involved, except DP. :steamed: Those poor children. Even if they believe their father, or pretend to, they have lost their Mommy's. So sad. :candle:

IMO - they should have had to use a picture of Stacy from the time when Kathleen was murdered. It would be a true portrait of her at that young age, being put in this situation. She was just a kid at the time. JMO

 

[OneLove]

Note to any female with a husband who could possibly be similar to DP:
Install a hidden surveillance system in your home. If it's possible at some point in the future to install a surveillance system somewhere in your body, do that as well. Hire a body guard to follow you around 24/7 whenever you leave your home. Buy said body guard the top of the line in surveillance/digital recording equipment. Give the information regarding these things to your neighbors, friends, family and at least 5 people in every other state in the US. Oh, and document it all in a lock box at every bank in town. Otherwise? Pffffffttttt.

ETA: Don't mean to suggest this only applies to someone you're married to. Boyfriends, stalkers, the perv down the street.......

Good points, and to that I would add: "None of these actions will save your life but they WILL help convict your murderer after you are gone. If you choose life over death, GET OUT NOW!"

 

[katydid23]

Such a pretty face. Both of these women deserved so much more! I really hope justice is served for Kathleen. Maybe someday, they will find Stacy. Breaks my heart for all of those involved, except DP. :steamed: Those poor children. Even if they believe their father, or pretend to, they have lost their Mommy's. So sad. :candle:

IMO - they should have had to use a picture of Stacy from the time when Kathleen was murdered. It would be a true portrait of her at that young age, being put in this situation. She was just a kid at the time. JMO

I LOVE the fact that Stacy's picture was shown. The jury has to be wondering where she is by now. A select few already know, but this picture is a reminder, imo.

And the testimony that she KNEW her husband was gone that night, is a big red flag for them, imo.

 

[Livingthedream]

Judge B has certainly made an already tough case even tougher. Now some of it is due to the prosecution goofing up, I get that. They should have been more prepared coming into this trial.

That said, judge B has been very tough on the prosecution and has not let into play critical evidence/testimony.

If the state can't shoot all of their bullets, it is not a level playing field. It's not the states fault that KS is in her grave and SP is most likely is in hers.

 

[Wishbone]

I feel pretty good overall about what the state did get admitted into evidence.

But I am kind of worried about what dirty tricks this team has waiting for the state. From what I hear, there is a lot of dirt they are going to throw at the witnesses. And they have some 'well-respected' defense experts to try and convince people it was an accident.

If they can convince the jury that the pastor was having an affair with stacy, and is lying for her now, and that the hitman testimony was false, and that Kathleens boyfriend was possibly the killer if there was one...?

If the DT wasn’t going for the accident theory, I believe they would cause doubt to fall on Stacy being the culprit. They have already cast suspicion on Nick, the boyfriend, the pastor…..

 

[Cubby]

The immediate investigation team reminds me of the group handling Jon Benet's murder...

I'm so far behind I can't keep up. though, I do have an ISP neighbor who knows the players who investigated this case. I like what you said, Kimster and am going to make sure this gets back to those who did investigate this case.

I hate to say this, but I am convinced Drew is gonna walk. Sad but true...
I will be completely surprised if he is convicted.

Oh and I did let the ISP neighbor know we wanted to know about the blood in the tub, and we were lost as to whether or not it was diluted with water or not. I also mentioned the toilet theory. It was my understanding he was going to share that info with either the prosecutors or those who investigated.

back to RL hope to get to read a bit more later, but can not read each post in this thread, sadly. Wish I had time to but don't.

 

[ChickenPants]

From the Chicago Tribune:

12:05 p.m. Gallery gasps at attorney question

Defense attorney Joseph Lopez asked why the Rev. Neil Schori had asked another man to accompany him to the meeting with Stacy Peterson.

Schori had testified earlier that the man sat about 10 feet away and was there as a precaution because he was meeting alone with a married woman.


The ONLY thing I can gather from JL asking this question was he is trying to suggest SP was not trustworthy, thus making her comments to him not credible.

The Rev. Billy Graham, early on in his ministry, made it a rule that no male working within his ministry would ever be alone with any female other than his own wife, nor ever meet with a woman behind closed doors. He said that was because he was a normal male and knew how easy it could be for something to happen. It's well known that clergy and psychiatric workers and persons in those professions are often victims of transference and counter-transference, and so IMO what this pastor did was not abnormal. There are a lot of clergy who follow Rev. Graham's model to this day.

Whether anybody (including the jury) would believe this, IDK.

 

[ChickenPants]

Could mean she was interrupted by a blow to the back of her head just as she put the items on the counter.

I can see him ordering her up the stairs at gun point and making her kneel in the bathroom. Especially after the testimony where he purportedly held a knife to her for so long that she asked him just to get it over with. She might have knelt over the toilet and then he might have bashed in her head with the butt of the gun.

I will never get over being mystified as to why investigators on the scene didn't do a routine of dusting for prints, etc., as there had yet been no autopsy and they had no proof of an accident, evidence being to the contrary (which has been discussed at length). I can only conclude that with the exception of the one who was a rookie (and saw the purse), they ignored these things on purpose. The only reason could be that they knew it was DP. Who knows what if any skeletons were rattling in their closets that he could out them on?

There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to suggest that Kathleen Savio was taking a bath except her body being in the tub. All evidence is to the contrary. The jury has to see this. And now they've heard about DP discussing a hit on her, and the testimony that Stacey was forced to make up an alibi. They are going to remember those things. I don't think they can/will let him walk.

One HLN commentator said that not too far back this section of Illinois was almost a frontier town, with cowboy justice. Those good old boys have some history together, just IMO....

 

[katydid23]

The Rev. Billy Graham, early on in his ministry, made it a rule that no male working within his ministry would ever be alone with any female other than his own wife, nor ever meet with a woman behind closed doors. He said that was because he was a normal male and knew how easy it could be for something to happen. It's well known that clergy and psychiatric workers and persons in those professions are often victims of transference and counter-transference, and so IMO what this pastor did was not abnormal. There are a lot of clergy who follow Rev. Graham's model to this day.

Whether anybody (including the jury) would believe this, IDK.

I also think he was a little afraid of DP. He admitted that he had heard some rumors in church about the death of KS being suspicious. Maybe he needed someone to watch his back in case DP showed up angry. For all he knew, DP would be following Stacy and would be very upset if she was telling family secrets.

Remember the phone message that DP left for the pastor? I don't think the jury got to hear it, ever. But IIRC, DP called him and said " I hear you met with my wife for coffee. Would you like to have a meeting with me too and take a ride on my airplane? Or something like that...

 

[lonetraveler]

I also think he was a little afraid of DP. He admitted that he had heard some rumors in church about the death of KS being suspicious. Maybe he needed someone to watch his back in case DP showed up angry. For all he knew, DP would be following Stacy and would be very upset if she was telling family secrets.

Remember the phone message that DP left for the pastor? I don't think the jury got to hear it, ever. But IIRC, DP called him and said " I hear you met with my wife for coffee. Would you like to have a meeting with me too and take a ride on my airplane? Or something like that...

Yep, a blantant threat from Drew. I really wish that the jury could have heard this message.:banghead:

 

[panthera]

bumped for those catching up to read and did anyone tip this to pros team!

Thanks! I hadn't caught that earlier!

:doh:

 

[WindyCityGirl]

about Rev. Schori having a license were ridiculous...he is a pastor. Pastors, priests, ministers don't necessarily have MSW's or PhD's in psych.....they are there to help people with their issues from a humanistic and spiritual dimension.
The fact that they met at Starbucks was neither bizarre nor suggestive of anything. The jury would have to be DENSE to think otherwise.
I know many priests who meet parishioners for coffee, lunch, dinner, etc to connect and talk about things that are on their mind. Nothing wrong with it and it is commonplace and decent.
Once again more salacious revolting innuendo from the gangsta "dream team"
Pukes!

My pleasure. I would also add that DP was laughing with his defense team often. He seems calm and sure he is going to win. As much as I think Schori's testimony was damaging to DP, I also saw right away that Lopez was trying to shred him to pieces as to his credibility.

He was trying to paint a picture (IMO) that he and SP were involved or SP wanted him, which is why he hammered home the Starbucks meeting place as a place where you do not counsel people.

As much as I hate to admit it, I felt he did a good job there if I am on the jury. However, Schori's testimony came off as credible and solid.

 

[panthera]

I would say putting a cup of water in the microwave for tea, pouring a glass of juice and leaving the container on the counter with the cap off would not be what anyone would be doing if they planned to take a bath......shower maybe but bath, no. And you would put the cap back on the juice and put it in the refrigerator. I'd be afraid a nat or small flying bug would get into the juice and that is why the cap goes back on right away and back into the refrigerator. All Mom's know this. I don't pour the juice until I'm ready to drink it. It's not going to sit on a counter while I'm soaking in a tub. And tea has to come to a boil to taste right so I don't see it being heated and then just sitting there in the microwave until she returned. jmo

Also, figure in that Kathleen had an indoor cat. Although miraculously the OJ container hadn't been knocked over by the time Nick put it away, it is still something that would have been put away immediately - just in case!

 

[panthera]

I LOVE the fact that Stacy's picture was shown. The jury has to be wondering where she is by now. A select few already know, but this picture is a reminder, imo.

And the testimony that she KNEW her husband was gone that night, is a big red flag for them, imo.

Exactly! Stacy is now very real before the jury, if they didn't already know of her, they certainly do now. Despite the fact that this photo is more recent than 2004, it still should convey the thought of DP with a much younger woman, and a reason to want Kathleen out of the way.

MOO

 

[WindyCityGirl]

bringing along someone else....that was never mentioned in the transcripts provided by InSession. Off hand I would say that if indeed that happened, I don't think that it speaks to a lack of trust, but perhaps realizing that he is dealing with something/someone potentially very dangerous (the husband of his parishioner) and he wanted a witness.
I wonder why none of us heard about the second meeting......they only mentioned the one meeting at Starbucks.
I think that Rev. Schori was a STRONG witness and should drive home a conviction. Should the defense team try to muddy him up in any way it will only prove to make them look that much more desperate. What motivation would he have for coming forward with this? None. Same with the hitman.
It is time consuming and upsetting to be part of a murder trial.

I did attend the morning, session, sleuthers. I got there about 8:45AM and was issued a ticket to get in and I was literally the last one in the room.

As you know, there was a long delay regarding what Schori said previously and how he was going to testify today.

The long and the short of it was he could not refer to it as the: "perfect murder". The judge was visibly peeved at Glascow and told him to: "stop" twice as Glascow was arguing as to what should be allowed.

I have to say it came off as the prosecution being unprepared again. Finally the jury gets called in at 10:45AM and the judge simply told them: "Good morning" without any explanation as to the long delay.

Right before the jury came in, Brodsky jokingly said to the judge: "Oh, one more thing" as if to suggest he was going to keep the delay going and the judge laughed. As impatient as the judge has been to the prosecution, I did not like the laughing between him and Brodsky.

I felt Schori was very good but I do not like the fact he had someone come with him the second time they met based on the phone call he received from SP. It made it seemed he did not trust her.

Joe Lopez was as low as you can get with the comment about SP wanting to seduce Schori. It drew a gasp from the gallery.

The jurors were listening intently and many were taking notes during Schori's testimony.

There was an observer (not me) who was escorted from the courtroom because he supposedly told Drew to F off. I did not hear or see it but when we left the morning session, the sheriff was in the hall and told anyone who witnessed it to stay behind as they needed their info for a potential criminal witness.

Lots of fireworks for sure.

 

[MissJames]

Yep, a blantant threat from Drew. I really wish that the jury could have heard this message.:banghead:

I just don't understand why all these bad acts were excluded when they show exactly who DP is and what he does. Not what he might do,what he does.

He's supposed to be upholding the law,but he threatens others ,and seems to enjoy it.That's who he is.
The DT can say things about KS ,who is not there to defend herself,but everyone has to tiptoe around what Drew does .

All of the threats that weren't allowed in were aimed at people who had some type of relationship with his wives.
The prosecutor wasn't trying to show Drew has a temper because he yelled at Joe Blow.He threatened people who were friends with his wives. His dead and missing wives.
How is that not relevant?

 

[Livingthedream]

I'm so far behind I can't keep up. though, I do have an ISP neighbor who knows the players who investigated this case. I like what you said, Kimster and am going to make sure this gets back to those who did investigate this case.

I hate to say this, but I am convinced Drew is gonna walk. Sad but true...
I will be completely surprised if he is convicted.

Oh and I did let the ISP neighbor know we wanted to know about the blood in the tub, and we were lost as to whether or not it was diluted with water or not. I also mentioned the toilet theory. It was my understanding he was going to share that info with either the prosecutors or those who investigated.

back to RL hope to get to read a bit more later, but can not read each post in this thread, sadly. Wish I had time to but don't.

Cubby:

I go back and forth on whether or not he will walk. One minute I think he is going down, the next I can see the jury saying there is just not any/enough solid evidence for them to send him to prison for his remaining days.

As of this moment, I feel he is going to walk. I don't know if the CA trial has something to do with it or not, but if the jury watched her trial and she ended up walking, it makes me wonder.

 

[MissJames]

It all makes perfect sense that DP would stage the scene to make it look like this happened at breakfast time. To me, it proves that Stacy really did tell Schori what he testified to. That also makes the pristine receipts look like exactly what it was. His alibi folder in case he ever needed it. DP probably knew Kathleen's family would not take things at face value, IMO, and he could not be sure the coroner would rule accidental death.

I am with the State. DP probably did murder Kathleen just before 3am, Stacy did see what she told Schori she saw and wanted someone she could trust to know as well. This shows Stacy did have a conscience and it was bothering her. Plus, she knew DP could get rid of her in a heartbeat if she did not tow the line he had cast.

We know so much that the jury does not know but I still do not think DP will be acquitted. If not a guilty verdict, it will be a hung jury, IMO. That is in spite of what the defense does or does not show in their case.

Just speculation!

BBM
Isn't it tonight that Casey Anthony finishes her probation?

I will never again feel certain that someone will not be acquitted.

"Trick me once shame on you .Trick me twice ,shame on me" :maddening:

 

[wishinuall]

Is there a window in the bathroom?

Is there a delay again? Seems as if the jury should have been back 45 minutes ago?????

Greetings sleuthers! :websleuther: Once again I'm going back over all of your wonderful comments & testimony, (thank you again!) & trying to catch up. Seems like good day/perplexing day! About the bathroom window, in the pictures of the bathroom, it shows a window above the bathtub that coincides with video they keep showing in front of Kathleen's house so I have assumed the windows on the right & center window are her bedroom & bath. Still, like most of you, I ALWAYS bathe with the lights on! While it blows my theory of him surprising her in the kitchen early morning, her trying to run up the stairs to deadbolt herself in her room & getting beaten (bruised) & dragged (abrasions)on the stairs, seems most likely it was indeed staged to appear she had her 'household accident' in daylight hours. Of course it also makes SP's retelling of the events very believable! Hope the jury is able to put all of these things in perspective, in spite of the DT's massive attempts to confuse & point fingers every direction but their despicable, GUILTY client!!

 

[wishinuall]

Sorry LAlaw, guess we're thinking along the same lines! Hadn't seen your post yet when I wrote mine, LOL!