Drew Peterson's Trial *THIRD WEEK*

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In Session Another picture shows “two linear abrasions, very narrow and elongated.” This photograph apparently is of one of Savio’s hands. “The top layer of skin is just abraded off . . . a very distinct abrasion. None of these abrasions on the right hand or wrist region showed any indication of scabbing, so I’d say they were fresh . . . again, within an hour or so of death.” The photograph shows “the right hand . . . at the base of the index finger at the back of the hand, we have a round, oval, almost crater-like abrasion . . . again, there’s no redness or scabbing over the surface . . . an hour or less, I would say.”
 
In Session The next photograph shows “It’s an abrasion, the upper part is non-patterned. The lower part has a cylindrical shape to it . . . so we have non-patterned abrasion adjacent to a patterned abrasion.” “Around the tub, was there anything that could have caused that pattern?” “Within the tub itself, no . . . [but] where the vertical tiles meet the tub, it was rough and it was linear.” Objection/Sustained. “Can you describe the tile from the end of the bathtub rim to that tile?” “The grout, it’s somewhat roughened . . . and it goes down again to the floor. The bathtub sits in that tile.” “The tiles themselves had a smooth surface?” “Yes, they did.” The witness says that there was no indication that this particular abrasion was any older than “an hour or less,” and was caused by something abrasive (“Not a smooth bathtub”).In Session The witness identifies another photograph. “This is actually autopsy picture of the internal portion of the chest . . .I would make the same comments I made about aging bruises in general . . . all we can say is probably less than 24 hours, based on the color.”
 
In Session The witness is shown another photograph. “This is an autopsy picture of Kathleen Savio’s back, going down to about the knee area. It depicts the abrasion to the left buttocks, and some blood smears on her back.” Once again, the witness opines that the abrasions to the left hip appear to be “fresh . . . less than an hour [old].”
 
Blum says that Savio had fresh would on her buttock, received no less than an hour before she died.


[ how long before was that testimony about her having sex in the kitchen? Wasn't that a few days previous?]
 
In Session The witness is shown another photograph. “This is an autopsy picture of Kathleen Savio’s back, going down to about the knee area. It depicts the abrasion to the left buttocks, and some blood smears on her back.” Once again, the witness opines that the abrasions to the left hip appear to be “fresh . . . less than an hour [old].”

BBM

Hmmm...Would the smears happen if you fell forward in the tub?

(Can't believe we haven't heard an objection/sidebar for a few minutes, shh.)
 
All of Savio's bruises were on the front of her body, all her abrasions were on the back of her body, Blum said

Brodsky objects "I'm sorry to interupt the witness, your honor, I blurted out objection, and I don't have one.[ Hahahahahahahahahahahaaa]
 
OMG- how could the original coroner have missed all this....I hope the jury is wondering the same thing.
 
In Session The witness, using a model or diagram now points out the locations of some more of the injuries present on Kathleen Savio’s body. “When you analyze injuries from a fall, are circumstances, the autopsy, and the scene things you consider?” “Yes.” “Can you discuss how the circumstances come into play?” “The circumstances that I took into account . . .” Objection/Sustained. “In accessing whether injuries are consistent on a body from a fall, what are the things you look at?” “There are three lines of evidence that lead me to my conclusions: the circumstances, the injuries on the body, and the scene. Those are three standards ones that I use, that forensic pathologists in general use.” “Did you take into account the injuries we saw, and analyze those?” “Yes, I did . . . first of all, I noted their location, size, shape, color, age, pattern, lack of a pattern, and number. Then I looked at the constellation of injuries. I saw that all the bruises on that body were in front. Her scalp laceration and her abrasions were all in the back, with the one exception of the one on the side of the arm.” “Do you take into account alcohol, drugs, and diseases?” “Yes . . . in assessing the overall mechanism of injury, one looks for risk factors. In this situation . . . one looks for risk factors. And the three risk factors that are published in the literature, I found alcohol, the presence of drugs within the system, and diseases . . . all these risk factors can lead to accidental drownings in healthy females . . . the autopsy showed the distribution of injuries; in my own autopsy, I looked for deep bruises on the back that might go along with a fall, particularly in the buttocks. And I found none there. And the patterned abrasion on the buttocks would not be consistent with someone’s slip and fall . . . so based on the injuries and the circumstances . . .” The judge interrupts, calls the parties to a sidebar.
 
In Session The sidebar ends. The witness and jurors have been excused. Judge: “The issue of someone stepping out of a bathtub and slipping on a tile floor, there’s been no evidence of anyone stepping out of a tub and slipping on a floor. Where is the evidence to support that?” Glasgow: “I don’t know where that came from.” Judge: “He’s assuming facts that are in evidence.” The judge then calls for the jury.
 
In Session The witness and the jurors are now back in the courtroom. Judge to jurors: “The doctor mentioned someone stepping out of a bathtub and slipping on the tile floor. You’re to disregard that entirely.” The judge then tells the jurors that the trial will recess at this time, and the State will resume its direct examination in the morning.

In Session Judge Burmila has left the bench. The trial is in recess until 9:00 CT/10:00 ET Thursday morning.
 
In Session The sidebar ends. The witness and jurors have been excused. Judge: “The issue of someone stepping out of a bathtub and slipping on a tile floor, there’s been no evidence of anyone stepping out of a tub and slipping on a floor. Where is the evidence to support that?” Glasgow: “I don’t know where that came from.” Judge: “He’s assuming facts that are in evidence.” The judge then calls for the jury.

I'm confused. Who brouhgt up the scenario of her falling on the tile? The state?

was the judge yelling at them again?

eta; thank you Carolinamoon--i just saw your update. So the doctor put that in himself.
 
I don't know. I'm assuming that Dr. Blum made a statement in there somewhere about the bruises being consistent with her falling OUT of the tub. I'm going back through IS to see if I missed something.
 
OMG- how could the original coroner have missed all this....I hope the jury is wondering the same thing.



Sorry I'm so out of the loop but is the original medical examiner still around to explain his findings, if one can call them that?
 
I don't know. I'm assuming that Dr. Blum made a statement in there somewhere about the bruises being consistent with her falling OUT of the tub. I'm going back through IS to see if I missed something.

I don't think you missed anything.

I think the doctor just threw it in as a possible scenario for her getting that head injury. But the judge freaked out once again, and told the jury to disregard it.

This jury has more information in their ' disregard/ignore' file than they have facts in evidence.
 
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Whew! I didn't miss one!
 
Sorry I'm so out of the loop but is the original medical examiner still around to explain his findings, if one can call them that?

Good question. I am not sure what is going to happen there. Didn't we already hear from the first team of 'experts,' ?

I seem to remember the on scene medical crime scene investigator who testified that he was briefed immediately that it was seemingly an accident.
 
In Session The witness, using a model or diagram now points out the locations of some more of the injuries present on Kathleen Savio’s body. “When you analyze injuries from a fall, are circumstances, the autopsy, and the scene things you consider?” “Yes.” “Can you discuss how the circumstances come into play?” “The circumstances that I took into account . . .” Objection/Sustained. “In accessing whether injuries are consistent on a body from a fall, what are the things you look at?” “There are three lines of evidence that lead me to my conclusions: the circumstances, the injuries on the body, and the scene. Those are three standards ones that I use, that forensic pathologists in general use.” “Did you take into account the injuries we saw, and analyze those?” “Yes, I did . . . first of all, I noted their location, size, shape, color, age, pattern, lack of a pattern, and number. Then I looked at the constellation of injuries. I saw that all the bruises on that body were in front. Her scalp laceration and her abrasions were all in the back, with the one exception of the one on the side of the arm.” “Do you take into account alcohol, drugs, and diseases?” “Yes . . . in assessing the overall mechanism of injury, one looks for risk factors. In this situation . . . one looks for risk factors. And the three risk factors that are published in the literature, I found alcohol, the presence of drugs within the system, and diseases . . . all these risk factors can lead to accidental drownings in healthy females . . . the autopsy showed the distribution of injuries; in my own autopsy, I looked for deep bruises on the back that might go along with a fall, particularly in the buttocks. And I found none there. And the patterned abrasion on the buttocks would not be consistent with someone’s slip and fall . . . so based on the injuries and the circumstances . . .” The judge interrupts, calls the parties to a sidebar.


I am totally fed up with this judge. He won't even let the witnesses give their testimony. This is an expert. A slip and fall is exactly what the first autopsy was ruled. Where does he come off telling everyone that this "expert" can't say slip and fall. Gaaaaaaa!:banghead:
 
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