Drew Peterson's Trial *THIRD WEEK*

[wishinuall]

I think it fits with Drew's coaching Stacys "memory" of the sausage that she cooked for breakfast that morning.
Sure some people may have some OJ at night too, but it sounded like standard breakfast fare. I would be interested to know of her daily routine.....what she typically had each morning and when she took a bath.
A bath is not something that I usually take in the AM either......it is too relaxing and I need to get myself going , but again, it is variable. Some people always take baths.

Anyone looking at the position of her body knows that was not a drowning regardless of AM or PM

Your question about the time of death being in the morning, I must have been confused about. For some reason I didn't think that was the case. Still new on the in's & out's of this site, but can anyone find that out for us? Many thanks in advance...I love morning baths btw, just sayin!

 

[Bravo]

Could somebody help me out here who may have this info readily. The COD originally was accidental drowning. What did his report show as far as the lungs? With no drug or alcohol present that should have raised a red flag then. People who pass out or die and slip under the water have no water present in the lungs.

 

[Cubby]

I feel for these Jurors. I hope they all have good knees. If the D keeps this up they sure risk alienating them.

I have pages and pages to catch up. But I read about tall these side bars with the jury being excused. - And all that comes to mind is athletes on Wheaties Boxes, and I guess the olympians are on Corn Flakes Boxes.
These 12 might just be the first set of jurors on a Pop Tart Box. :sigh:

back to catching up reading.

 

[Bravo]

I have pages and pages to catch up. But I read about tall these side bars with the jury being excused. - And all that comes to mind is athletes on Wheaties Boxes, and I guess the olympians are on Corn Flakes Boxes.
These 12 might just be the first set of jurors on a Pop Tart Box. :sigh:

back to catching up reading.

LOL well they certainly will have earned it. That's a hoot.

 

[katydid23]

There are no new bruises to the decedent." Nowhere did Mitchell state that in his autopsy report. #drewpeterson

AymaMuse: RT @facsmiley: Because Coroner O'Neil told them this: "There are 6 or there are 7 other bruises noted...all of which are old.
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Someone on the DREWPETERSONTRIAL site is tweeting the above info.

Is that correct? Did the original ME say the bruises were old?

 

[Bravo]

Found this. Findings were based on what :banghead: Nothing i see to support

http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/savio, kathleen_report.pdf

 

[Boots-OK]

He may have hit her on the head first to stun her, then threw her into the tub, landing on her bottom, and she struggled, causing more bruises. The shins are interesting though. And the hand. I think the hand was a defensive wound of some kind.

I'm thinking along these same lines; however, it seems to me that Kathy really battled and struggled with him while he was beating her in that tub. I believe it's possible that she fought him with everything in her and was bruised on the front from his blows (possibly kicked) and scraped on her backside from the friction and force.

Truth be told - he had some marks on him from her, too. But, we will never know now will we?

As always, moo

 

[Boots-OK]

BBM

I am so curious what kind of tea she was making. If it was 'sleepy time' or chamomile vs. Morning Thunder or English Breakfast tea.

I have Sleepytime herbal tea at night quite often. But I make my husband a pot of English Breakfast most mornings. Big difference and if we knew what kind of tea we might know if she was getting ready for bed or for morning time.

Didn't the autopsy indicate there was just a small amount of liquid in her stomach? Perhaps it was in the morning. Just thinking out loud here.

 

[katydid23]

Found this. Findings were based on what :banghead: Nothing i see to support

http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/savio, kathleen_report.pdf

WOW. Thank you for posting this link.

Interesting. The first ME put the Time of death as : 11:17 pm Mar 1st, 2004


How the heck did he figure out the TOD to the minute?


Also, he lists all of the bruises, but I see no mention of them being old or new bruises.

 

[MissJames]

The DT is not the issue...the judge is the issue! The judge is the sole referee of what gets in or stays out of the trial, how a trial is conducted, what he'll allow or not allow, and how he wants his courtroom conducted.

Are you saying the judge is in cahoots with organized crime and he is fixing the case?

If yes, for what purpose? Why would any mob boss give a damn about Drew Peterson? He is nothing to them.

Here's my theory.............
(This is just a snip of the article)

Drew Peterson judge again rebukes prosecutors
MICHAEL TARM, Associated Press, By MICHAEL TARM,
Updated 5:44 p.m., Wednesday, August 15, 2012
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When Blum did just that under questioning from Will County State's Attorney James Glasgow, Burmila sent jurors out of the room and took Glasgow to task.

"It does not appear that any orders I have given the state pays attention to," said Burmila, who once lost an election to Glasgow for the state's attorney's job. Burmila ran as a Republican and Glasgow as a Democrat.


Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/artic...rebukes-prosecutors-3788918.php#ixzz23flPxpIi
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I think the judge holds a grudge.JMO

 

[katydid23]

Just finished my Sleepytime. (do we know each other?

Is the kind of tea in the discovery documents, do we know?

I wish I knew.

But the original autopsy was just linked upthread, and the coroner stated the TimeOfDeath as 11:17 pm, March 1st.

How did he get that time of death?

 

[Bravo]

WOW. Thank you for posting this link.

Interesting. The first ME put the Time of death as : 11:17 pm Mar 1st, 2004


How the heck did he figure out the TOD to the minute?


Also, he lists all of the bruises, but I see no mention of them being old or new bruises.

Very. What a shoddy ME report.

 

[Madeleine74]

Yes it is a well-established fact that the judge lost an election to Glasgow. And both the judge and Glasgow said they were fine working with each other in this trial. Glasgow could have asked the judge to recuse himself--he didn't. He may be regretting that now, but that's the way the dice rolled.

If the judge is holding a grudge AND is using that grudge to litigate this case he is going against the very oath he took to become a judge in the first place. He's a fool if he's doing it on a nationally public case. People are noticing.

 

[katydid23]

Very. What a shoddy ME report.

Luckily it was shoddy. Because if he had said the bruises were old, then it would be an uphill climb for the state now.

But from what I see, he did not make a determination of their 'freshness.' Maybe I just missed it?

 

[Madeleine74]

How did he get that time of death?

Time of Death on a death cert or autopsy is often the date and time the body was found or pronounced dead even if that's not the exact day/time of the person's death. TOD is an estimate usually ranging about 12 hours give or take.

My brother was dead for up to 2 days or so before his body was found (heart attack, lived alone), but on his death cert. the date is the day he was found and the time is when the fire dept/paramedics saw him. And he had an autopsy too and the coroner said he had been deceased for 48 hours or so.

 

[katydid23]

Found this. Findings were based on what :banghead: Nothing i see to support

http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/savio, kathleen_report.pdf

We should all take a quick look-see at this 2004 autopsy. Because I think the defense is going to rely heavily upon it in their cross.

 

[katydid23]

Time of Death on a death cert or autopsy is sometimes the date and time the body was found or pronounced dead.

My brother was dead for up to 2 days or so before his body was found (heart attack, lived alone), but on his death cert. the date is the day he was found and the time is when the fire dept/paramedics saw him. And he had an autopsy too and the coroner said he had been deceased for 48 hours or so.

Thank you. Not very helpful in a homicide case though. Don't they expect the ME to give them a more accurate TOD than the time the body is found?

 

[Bravo]

Luckily it was shoddy. Because if he had said the bruises were old, then it would be an uphill climb for the state now.

But from what I see, he did not make a determination of their 'freshness.' Maybe I just missed it?

Good point on the bruising. I didn't see anything in that report to support his findings. Did it get buried just based on word? Word because LE took the word of one of their own? I can only imagine the picture DP painted of KS to his work buddies. Was much overlooked due to DP being LE?

 

[Madeleine74]

Thank you. Not very helpful in a homicide case though. Don't they expect the ME to give them a more accurate TOD than the time the body is found?

It wasn't a homicide case at that time. They thought it was an accident and ruled it as such. Now that I think about it, I think all autopsies specify date/time of death as when the body was found. It's a procedural/admin thing. The coroner will estimate actual TOD and either give that info to the family or (in cases of homicide) make it part of some report or give that info to the police. It's given as a range but it's only an estimate. Unless someone is there to see the person expire, no one knows the exact time.

 

[fifteen89]

Defense's objection on timeline of bruising over-ruled, jury re-enters

Glasgow asks force bruising would need. Blum "The bruise is deep, it's to the bone, so I would say a great amount of force."

Where was the bruise he's saying was to the bone/great amount of force? Buttocks or shins?