DY and KH know Terri is lying

[wondering1]

IMO it might depend on what really happened.
If he's alive and being kept by someone other than Terri the public statements might make a difference if the people who could call it in think the stepmom killed him and it can't be him. But if Kyron is deceased it won't make an ounce of difference to finding him if the general public think the parents are sympathetic or not because if someone accidentally comes across a small child's decomposed remains they won't know who the bones belong to and will call it in anyway, I hope.
Sorry for being graphic.

bbm

That is true. But I was addressing the idea that KH/DY are tarnishing their OWN reputations. I think that was the point made in the post I was addressing. It's hard to keep up!

eta: Actually, I think you just made the best argument for why KH/DY shouldn't be dissing TH publicly unless they are very, very certain she is involved.

 

[AnaTeresa]

To keep the story alive in the news so that Kyron's case gets as much attention as possible in the event he is alive and someone sees him?

Unfortunately, most media pieces are about the family discord and not really Kyron. That's what I struggle with. Calling out TMH for lying keeps it in the media, sure, but it doesn't keep in the public's mind what to look for.

IMO it might depend on what really happened.
If he's alive and being kept by someone other than Terri the public statements might make a difference if the people who could call it in think the stepmom killed him and it can't be him. But if Kyron is deceased it won't make an ounce of difference to finding him if the general public think the parents are sympathetic or not because if someone accidentally comes across a small child's decomposed remains they won't know who the bones belong to and will call it in anyway, I hope.
Sorry for being graphic.

That's more along the lines of what I'm thinking, Donjeta. People may think he's already deceased and not report sightings because they think it must be a mistake or coincidence.

 

[AnaTeresa]

That is true. But I was addressing the idea that KH/DY are tarnishing their OWN reputations. I think that was the point made in the post I was addressing. It's hard to keep up!

I originally brought up tarnished images of KH and DY, although I did not make the statement that people would be less likely to look for Kyron because of their personal opinion of KH and DY. My train of thought ran more towards prejudicing juries, distracting the public from what to look for, or even people losing sympathy or doubting what they are saying and just tuning out completely. I don't think this means that people don't care about Kyron, but the public can quickly reach a saturation point when there's too much sensational drama and develop an attitude that they want it to be over.

There's a lot of varied reasons why I think that spending too much time speaking out about TMH may be detrimental, but I don't think there's such a direct causation between a less positive public opinion and people deciding not to look. I think it's closer to what Donjeta posited - people may think there's no reason to look. :twocents:

 

[SleuthyGal]

I don't think KH & DY are tarnishing their own reputations. They truly believe that TMH is lying and they are letting us (the general public) know they believe this.

When DY said that she had that 'feeling in her gut,' I know what that feeling is like and it's way too powerful to ignore....in fact, one should never ignore their gut feelings--they are usually the right/wise ones and serve us best. Intuition is one of humankind's most powerful gifts; it's what has allowed man to survive and thrive through millions of years.

The issue, of course, is that there is no resolution to the case (yet) and all KH and DY are left with is their feelings about responsibility and whatever LE is sharing with them. Precious little information, truly.

 

[DairyGirl]

bbm

That is true. But I was addressing the idea that KH/DY are tarnishing their OWN reputations. I think that was the point made in the post I was addressing. It's hard to keep up!

eta: Actually, I think you just made the best argument for why KH/DY shouldn't be dissing TH publicly unless they are very, very certain she is involved.

I can't speak for them but it sounds like they are very sure she is involved. Also, if TH did hand him off to someone they may want that someone to know that TH is lying and maybe what ever story she may have told them isn't true.

 

[wondering1]

but it doesn't keep in the public's mind what to look for.

I'm trying to understand what you are talking about, specifically. Are you talking about repeating information about his physical description and personality? Or are you thinking of some other kind of information, like vehicles, people and places to consider?

 

[cypress]

To put pressure on TH because they believe she is lying? To keep the story alive in the news so that Kyron's case gets as much attention as possible in the event he is alive and someone sees him? Because they've been advised to by any number of people or entities?

Imo, they're not addressing the media so that the general public forms ANY opinion. And even if it were to sway public opinion against TH, it's certainly NOT to sway public opinion in favor of themselves. What do they have to gain from that if they are innocent? Sympathy? They've got plenty of that no matter what, and I don't really think that's their purpose anyway. Maybe you think they are not innocent, I don't know. If so, your POV would make total sense, imo, as would them throwing TH under the bus.

To your last comment, I won't allow myself to believe that the public would become less interested in finding a little boy because his parents' images have been tarnished. If that were true, they would have stopped caring about this case, and many others (Casey Anthony?) a long time ago, jmoo.

I don't believe Kaine or Desiree had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance. I don't know whether or not Terri did, either, and so far it has not been proven she is involved in his disappearance.

If Kaine and Desiree continue to focus on Terri's laundry list of foibles, the focus is no longer on Kyron, and people may tire of hearing about another person's imperfections. To that end, they may turn off the news or stop reading the papers, and if more information is given about Kyron they may miss it.

I understand the need to put pressure on Terri and the value of such a tactic, but that is being accomplished in phenomenal ways behind the scenes -- her husband left her, her daughter has been taken away, the court of public opinion has convicted her, LE has no doubt combed repeatedly through her life. She's being outright accused of, at minimum, abducting Kyron.

At this point, and considering Terri now has legal representation, I don't understand the usefulness of dragging out every skeleton, of exposing the minutiae of her life to the press. In some ways, I think it makes her more relatable. Talking about Terri and her problems and her imperfections and the way so-and-so may not like her or doesn't trust her or whatever other negative thing can be said about her, keeps the focus on Terri not on Kyron.

 

[Schmerty_Jones]

TMH was the last person to see Kyron, and her account of what happened is full of holes, misinformation or non-replies. The biological parents have a right to know the truth about their son. Stalling, evasive behavior & just plain lying is not acceptable. If TMH is unhappy then see a therapist, a psychiatrist. You can't solve your problems by taking the life of,or selling a little child . Even if it were a child born to her the ten commandments says"Thou shall not KILL" "Thou shall not bear false witness." I do feel her crimes will not go unpunished. Someone or something ,:banghead:somewhere will expose her evil deeds.:banghead:

 

[Donjeta]

Okay, I'm cynical... but I think that for every person who tunes out of the Kyron story because they get tired of the sensational details revealed there could be another who tunes in to hear what sensational details they come up with next.

IMO there are too many sensational gossip rags out there for everybody to be uninterested in sensation.

 

[cluciano63]

I do agree that D&K are being completely open about their feelings and somehow think that what they are doing will help. I'm not sure it is helping, other than to make even more people feel Terri is guilty of something horrible, but since no one, including LE, is prepared to say what that may be, it is also confusing and bordering on sensational. I almost wonder, if this part goes on for a while and then someone else entirely is later charged, if all of this TV time might be useful to the defense, and even cause a jury to wonder if perhaps Terri got away with it.

 

[wondering1]

I don't believe Kaine or Desiree had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance. I don't know whether or not Terri did, either, and so far it has not been proven she is involved in his disappearance.

If Kaine and Desiree continue to focus on Terri's laundry list of foibles, the focus is no longer on Kyron, and people may tire of hearing about another person's imperfections. To that end, they may turn off the news or stop reading the papers, and if more information is given about Kyron they may miss it.

I understand the need to put pressure on Terri and the value of such a tactic, but that is being accomplished in phenomenal ways behind the scenes -- her husband left her, her daughter has been taken away, the court of public opinion has convicted her, LE has no doubt combed repeatedly through her life. She's being outright accused of, at minimum, abducting Kyron.

At this point, and considering Terri now has legal representation, I don't understand the usefulness of dragging out every skeleton, of exposing the minutiae of her life to the press. In some ways, I think it makes her more relatable. Talking about Terri and her problems and her imperfections and the way so-and-so may not like her or doesn't trust her or whatever other negative thing can be said about her, keeps the focus on Terri not on Kyron.

I understand your position and respect it. I don't agree with all of it, but I do appreciate your response.

 

[AnaTeresa]

I'm trying to understand what you are talking about, specifically. Are you talking about repeating information about his physical description and personality? Or are you thinking of some other kind of information, like vehicles, people and places to consider?

Physical descriptions and photos, yes, but more importantly ways in which he may have his physical description altered - like that photo without his glasses and blond hair. Vehicles or persons. Updates on physical searches they've done in the area - are locals still to be searching their property? And for what? Etc. Etc.

In so many other missing children cases, we hear more from LE on what to look for physically. Perhaps LE does not have any information for us - but without reminders of what Kyron looks like, the public (particularly non-local) may forget.

 

[shefner]

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/

Top story/video.

I wonder what DY is speaking of when she says she refuses to put away Kyron's laundry or make up his bed? She must be speaking of her home where she lives...but Kyron hadn't been there to sleep in his bed or use clothing. If she was referring to Kaine's and Terri's home, then why would it be her decision whether or not to make up the bed or put up the clothes? I can certainly understand the sentiment but just not the practical side of what she is saying.

 

[wondering1]

Physical descriptions and photos, yes, but more importantly ways in which he may have his physical description altered - like that photo without his glasses and blond hair. Vehicles or persons. Updates on physical searches they've done in the area - are locals still to be searching their property? And for what? Etc. Etc.

In so many other missing children cases, we hear more from LE on what to look for physically. Perhaps LE does not have any information for us - but without reminders of what Kyron looks like, the public (particularly non-local) may forget.

Thanks for answering. I agree with the physical stuff. But I don't think they are doing ground searches any more, so there's probably not much to talk about there. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

I also wonder if they're not giving information about vehicles or persons because they don't have that yet, and that's what they're trying to get from TH -- assuming she has it. OTOH, they haven't put much info about TH's vehicle out there either. I'm assuming she's being watched 24/7, but we don't even know that for sure.

I still think that DY and KH are saying what they're saying due to their strong belief that it's the only way to find Kyron. And as long as that's the case, I don't think there's any point in wishing it were otherwise, iykwim. I do understand your POV much better now, though. So thanks.

 

[SleuthyGal]

LE isn't instructing anyone to do anything in particular because they don't believe some random perp took Kyron. They might not believe Kyron's still alive (although they have not publicly stated this, of course).

No one saw Kyron leave the school. The investigation has not yielded answers to Kyron's whereabouts. This isn't some random crime w/some random perp who is out there hunting children.

There's really nothing for LE to tell us, esp. those who are not in the immediate vicinity, are not part of the family, and are not connected to Kyron. If LE needed something from the public they would ask. John Walsh would absolutely put it on his show!

LE already received back what they asked for (interview/questionnaires and videos).

There's nothing for the rest of 'us' to do. I know it's frustrating, but that's the reality at this point.

 

[wondering1]

I wonder what DY is speaking of when she says she refuses to put away Kyron's laundry or make up his bed? She must be speaking of her home where she lives...but Kyron hadn't been there to sleep in his bed or use clothing. If she was referring to Kaine's and Terri's home, then why would it be her decision whether or not to make up the bed or put up the clothes? I can certainly understand the sentiment but just not the practical side of what she is saying.

She's talking about her home, and referring to the bed that was unmade and the laundry not put away between the last time he was there and the day he went missing.

 

[nurseratchett]

Raeann, unlike you, I actually live in Portland. Officer CW Jensen was a terrific Portland Police officer and highly respected among his fellow officers. He spent a long time as the "face" of the Portland Police. Yes, he did have some issues, but it mostly involved the nasty political maneuverings of others. I read his "story" now and it is something totally unrecognizable from the way I remember them. He was pretty much crucified for the sake of local political ladder climbing. I, as a citizen of Portland, who was around when it all went down, have a tremendous amount of respect for him listen closely to his sage opinions.

If some anonymous person who doesn't know you went to write a wiki article on you, I bet it would turn out a lot different that you and your close ones see you.

Gwenabob- I recall it the same way you do. In fact, there was a lot of political maneuvering going on at that time, and considering he's managed to land on top, I have to consider that the entire story of inappropriate meal charges was just a way to get rid of him. MOO.

 

[AbbieNormal]

respectfully, I don't think they really give a carp about what anyone else thinks about them. And I believe THEY truly believe that keeping the focus on bringing Kyron home means keeping the focus on TH. They are convinced they are correct and, therefore, could not care less about what kind of *impression* they might leave with the general public. I don't think they're too worried about tarnishing their own images or any one else's image, right now. Frankly, I wouldn't be either. In fact, I can imagine that my words and actions against someone who I thought has something to do with kidnapping or killing my child wouldn't be anywhere near as "restrained." jmoo

They know Terri did this and they know the only way to get Kyron back is for Terri to tell where she put him. I don;t know if they have been advised by someone who is wise and knows about these things or if they are flying blind, but I am pretty sure no matter how much they may hate Terri right now, and would like to "rip her face off" (Beth Holloway) they seem to think that the things they are saying and doing might somehow get Terri to break down and reveal where she has put him. Now that she has lawyered up I doubt any tactic will work, as her atty is undoubtably advising her to keep her mouth shut at all times. IMO the only way they will get her to reveal anything is to sit her down- with her atty -lay out their case against her, and offer her some kind of "deal". If they don't have enough to convict her, her lawyer will laugh the cops out of the room. So I hope they have some good evidence.
Maybe some mind bending such as informing her shes the most hated woman in the country, etc messing with her idea shes the perfect woman, maybe, and her narcissistic personality traits being kept in mind say something that will get her to talk. Get a psyche in there for advice on how to get into a narcissists mind, do something. She's holed up in Kaines house, staying out of public view except lawyer appts apparently, and if cops think shes taking her rather obvious RED car out for a ride to go check the site she left Kyron at, they are crazy. "She's dumb, but she ain't stupid." Wish they'de lock her up. ope Kaine gets her out of that house- her comfort zone- and sends her w/ her clothing only, nothing else- as it was all purchased with HIS money (such as laptop, her Mustang, give her NONE of it.)

 

[SleuthyGal]

I believe if someone was holding Kyron and Kyron was alive and well, that person would either take Kyron somewhere safe (release him) or somehow get Kyron home. With all the publicity I find it hard to believe that someone is holding Kyron, and waiting for....for what, exactly? A payoff? TMH has no income or financial resources of her own for such a plan, at least not anymore. There's been no demand for ransom that anyone has mentioned. No one else has a motive to hold Kyron. Money would be the biggest factor in a kidnapping.

I understand that Kyron's family needs to keep the hope that he is alive and well and just being 'held' somewhere, but truly...what are the odds of this? Yes, there was Elizabeth Smart; how many of those cases do you think there are? I think exactly one.

I think that Kyron may be deceased. I believe his life ended the day he disappeared. I have no proof of this, I am just going on inferences made by those who professionally work in law enforcement or the FBI or related entities and those who have spoken publicly, along with the statistics in such cases.

People usually imagine violent crime leading to death. But there can be non-violent forms too. An overdose of pills given to someone, as one example.

Why would TMH, if she's involved, continue to stay silent now, if she could get Kyron home alive? Why wouldn't she want Kyron found? She's in a lot of trouble. I believe it's because Kyron is dead and if TMH is involved, she most certainly does not want Kyron's body found.

 

[cypress]

I believe if someone was holding Kyron and Kyron was alive and well, that person would either take Kyron somewhere safe (release him) or somehow get Kyron home. With all the publicity I find it hard to believe that someone is holding Kyron, and waiting for....for what, exactly? A payoff? TMH has no income or financial resources of her own for such a plan, at least not anymore. There's been no demand for ransom that anyone has mentioned. No one else has a motive to hold Kyron. Money would be the biggest factor in a kidnapping.

I understand that Kyron's family needs to keep the hope that he is alive and well and just being 'held' somewhere, but truly...what are the odds of this? Yes, there was Elizabeth Smart; how many of those cases do you think there are? I think exactly one.

I think that Kyron may be deceased. I believe his life ended the day he disappeared. I have no proof of this, I am just going on inferences made by those who professionally work in law enforcement or the FBI or related entities and those who have spoken publicly, along with the statistics in such cases.

People usually imagine violent crime leading to death. But there can be non-violent forms too. An overdose of pills given to someone, as one example.

Why would TMH, if she's involved, continue to stay silent now, if she could get Kyron home alive? Why wouldn't she want Kyron found? She's in a lot of trouble. I believe it's because Kyron is dead and if TMH is involved, she most certainly does not want Kyron's body found.

I agree with this, except I will add that if, and it's a huge and improbable if, but if she has an accomplice who thought he or she was doing the right thing such as protecting Kyron from abuse, then that's another reason why someone could be caring for him and would be willing to risk everything for the sake of this child.

If Terri sold him or handed him off for nefarious reasons, then I believe there is no way someone would risk keeping him alive.

IMHO, I believe the only way Kyron is alive is if there was some sort of misguided but ultimately altruistic reason for abducting him.

I'm hesitant to believe there is an accomplice, but the biological parents insistence forces me to consider the possibility.