DY and KH know Terri is lying

[AbbieNormal]

I already posted a bit of this in some thread here somewhere, but if Dy is the "common denominator" and possibly in TH's twisted mind the reason she hurt Kyron, maybe it was because-
Kyron was getting older, he may have been close and like her own natural son when she was caring for him in his early years but at 7 he had a mind of his own, and perhaps he really loved his mom Desiree very very much and TH felt she was "doing all the work" and Desiree was "getting all the love".

Also, maybe TH was jealous of Desiree and her freedom to work, not being saddled with a small child as TH was with baby K, and most of all, was jealous of DY. I believe TH would be jealous that DY looked far better than she did. I'm sure TH thought she herself was "all that and a bag of chips" in her bodybuilding days, and maybe that's what attracted Kaine to her. Nowadays, not so much. Some women are shallow like that beyond belief.

Maybe she wanted Kaine dead 7 months ago, but maybe her reason for doing whatever she did to Kyron wasn't just to hurt Kaine but also to take away from Desiree (out of jealousy) the thing that meant the most to her- Kyron.

Edited to add: This case is in my life more than I realize. I had a very very bad day yesterday, long story but had an absolute (justifiable) rage at a few people and absolutely "lost it", yelled at a few doctors, had my say, said my mind, was absolutely enraged, used the F word aloud and frequently- all stuff I do not do to professionals and totally out of my character, but I was beyond pissed and was protecting my child....anyway have not been that mad in well over 30 years, maybe longer. After it was all over, I was reflecting back on what I had said etc and thought about how miserable I was (not for saying it but miserable over the circumstances in general) and it popped into my head, no matter how bad a day YOU are having, its nothing compared to the nightmare Desiree and Kained wake up to every day. YOU know where your child is, they do not. YOUR child may be sick, theirs is probably dead.
It really snapped me back to reality. Safe to say that DY and KH and of course Kyron are in my mind all day everyday and in my subconscious too, as I have had dreams about him.

 

[Donjeta]

Well, it makes sense to me that he'd have gone for divorce and a restraining order a long time ago if he had for a moment thought that his wife was trying to hire a hitman for him.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Actually Kaine wasn't in the room only Terri was in the room. Sorry I can't attach a link but it was one of the verbal interviews where Desiree describes when she first learned of Kyron's disappearance.

She details that she asks the secretary if Kaine or Terri is there and the secretary says only Terri is here. So Desiree said she hung up and immediately called Terri to find out what happened.

Kaine probably should have been the one to call but if he wasn't there and asked Terri to call because he was trying to find out more info then Terri shouldn't have had the secretary call for her. That's odd. Really odd to me.

I still feel that TH had this all planned this way. If the school calls DY to admit that Kyron is missing from their property then it increases their culpability/liability and serves to diminish TH's (in TH's mind).

 

[Donjeta]

I still feel that TH had this all planned this way. If the school calls DY to admit that Kyron is missing from their property then it increases their culpability/liability and serves to diminish TH's (in TH's mind).

Like, if the school calls, it's like they're saying, "We lost Kyron", and if Terri calls it's like she's admitting she lost Kyron?

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

That's the way I think she perceived it, and intended to make the school be the first to admit he was gone...I truly think that this was a set-up for a huge lawsuit against the school district.

 

[Calliope]

Actually Kaine wasn't in the room only Terri was in the room. Sorry I can't attach a link but it was one of the verbal interviews where Desiree describes when she first learned of Kyron's disappearance.

She details that she asks the secretary if Kaine or Terri is there and the secretary says only Terri is here. So Desiree said she hung up and immediately called Terri to find out what happened.

Kaine probably should have been the one to call but if he wasn't there and asked Terri to call because he was trying to find out more info then Terri shouldn't have had the secretary call for her. That's odd. Really odd to me.

BBM

No, she doesn't. Desiree says the secretary tells her "they" asked her to call. Desiree asks if Terri was "there" and the secretary says yes. The secretary does not say only Terri was "there". She does not say that Kaine isn't "there". "There" could simply mean at the school, not necessarily in the same room. If Terri was in the same room, standing idly by while the secretary made the call, all secretary would have had to do is hand the phone over. But Desiree says she hung up and called Terri.

The police were at the school and no doubt talking to Terri and Kaine. We know both were at the school because Kaine has stated such and the police had told them that one of them had to go back home.

I can see why "they" (Terri and Kaine) would ask the school to make the call while they were busy with the police. In fact, "they" may have been the police for all we know.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/ (video interview on right side of page)

 

[RoughlyCollie]

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/10/kyrons-parents-describe-web-of-deception-from-stepmom/

I bet Desiree's blood boils if she thinks Terri is using Kyron's child support money on highlights.

I think DY was mad that TH was talking about these very minor issues when Kyron had just gone missing. It is quite odd that TH was focused on her hair instead of on Kyron's situation.

Surely KH makes a good enough income to pay for that himself without having to use child support money for it. Unless DY says that Kyron's needs and reasonable wants were not being met, I doubt she was thinking that. In fact, I doubt she was thinking about child support at all, and that she was focused on doing everything she could to find Kyron.

 

[Calliope]

I still feel that TH had this all planned this way. If the school calls DY to admit that Kyron is missing from their property then it increases their culpability/liability and serves to diminish TH's (in TH's mind).

IMO, the school called Desiree because Terri and Kaine were involved with the police at the time. Desiree says she was called at 4:25.

Note comment at 4:20.

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[Trident]

Well, it makes sense to me that he'd have gone for divorce and a restraining order a long time ago if he had for a moment thought that his wife was trying to hire a hitman for him.

ITA. My question is why didn't he notice something was wrong with their marriage, IF indeed there was?

My opinion only

 

[AbbieNormal]

Like, if the school calls, it's like they're saying, "We lost Kyron", and if Terri calls it's like she's admitting she lost Kyron?

There's no doubt in my mind that Terri asked the school secretary to call Desire because she didn't want to to be the one to break the news to Desiree that she had lost Desirees child, plus she knows that Desiree knows her "oh so well" and probably knew that Desiree, of all people, would detect the fact that Terri was guilty of this. And lying. Not only that, being the narcissist and sociopath that I really believe she is, she had no clue how a mother should act/ talk/ behave in such a situation, she had nobody to look at and mimic and without feelings of her own, she didn't have a "script" to read from, to go by, when talking to Desiree.
I wonder didn't the secretary find it odd that Terri asked HER to call Kyrons biological mother? In the normal world WE all live in, wouldn't YOU want to be the one to break such devastating news to the natural mother of this child, regardless if you were the last to see him or not? I know I would. I would not ask a stranger to do it.
The more I learn about Teri the more I can;t stand her. But I still wonder why, Desiree knowing her so well as she did, why did she entrust the care of her child to a woman that she "has known to be a liar for the last 7.5 years"?
i know people who lie like that, about anything and everything, it's just who they are. I try to stay away from those people myself, I know I certainly wouldn't want a chronic liar raising my child. I wonder why Desiree was ok with Kyron living in that home full time and being raised by someone who was a chronic liar? Wasn't she afraid Kyron would also become a chronic liar, having been raised by one? That would have been a concern of mine, for sure. Desiree is evidently well now and her kidney issues must not be in the forefront anymore, as she stated she was "at work" or had just "come home from work", when she got the call, so she is not disabled and possibly could have had Kyron back to her custody. Why didn't she? Yes, Kyron was used to being with Kaine and Terri and his older step bro and his new little sister, but if he was my kid and I thought the step mother was not the best mother she could possibly be, thought (knew!) she was a liar, certainly her narcissistic traits showed through to Desiree, why didn't she fight to get Kyron back? Did Kaine share w/ Desiree Terris problems with PPD? Why did Terri not get her child OUT of that house if she knew Terri had a problem? I am just not getting why Desiree didn't have Kyron. NOT dissing Desiree, just so curious. If there is truth to the story that TH fell in love w/ Kaine while being "nanny" to Kyron while Desiree was away and undergoing treatment in Canada, even if Desiree WAS "finished" with Kaine, even if Terri didn't "steal" Kaine from Desiree (which I think she did, personally, I think she and Kaine were having an affair and that was partial impetus for Desiree abandoning the marriage when 8+ mos pregnant), wouldn't you want your child back once you were back home, even if she WAS living with her parents due to medical bills she had accumulated, why not say mom and dad I NEED my child back in my life, can I have him stay here too, etc? Why let the b!tch who ended up sleeping with your ex, now raise your own precious child "as her own". I would give no woman the satisfaction of having my ex PLUS my child, under almost any circumstance. I just don't get it. There's got to be a huge "back story" to all of this. Desiree seems mentally balanced, intelligent, a loving mother, normal, why would she not want her child back? Years ago!!

 

[Mylou]

ITA. My question is why didn't he notice something was wrong with their marriage, IF indeed there was?

My opinion only

Exactly, actually I was just watching a video of Kaine and Desiree, and Kaine says everything was normal, until Kyron never got off the bus.
Asked about Red Flags,he says plenty afterwards. He doesn't say anything about any red flags before Kyron goes missing.
How one can live in the same house and not feel tension, and there had to be tension of some sort if your partner is planning on having you killed ?
I don't get it myself. I know if my husband is mad about anything, even if it has nothing to do with me, I can feel it. Maybe they were really not in touch with one another, how else can you explain it.

 

[Wings Of Light]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnzsDcA_GJY&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

I apologize if this has already been posted, but I haven't seen it. This is a bombshell. Skip to the 1 minute mark in the video.

By the way... Do we know when the last time Kyron was seen by someone other than Terri?

 

[Calliope]

ITA. My question is why didn't he notice something was wrong with their marriage, IF indeed there was?

My opinion only

Well... take your pick.

Kaine Horman says it was only after Kyron disappeared that he learned the extent of his marital problems. He says he found out Terri Horman had been complaining to friends behind his back for months about their marriage. But he says she rarely expressed those feelings to him.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/10/kyrons-parents-describe-web-of-deception-from-stepmom/

The father of missing second-grader Kyron Horman said Thursday that his marriage to the boy's stepmom began to grow rocky after she gave birth to their little girl 19 months ago...

Horman said he thought his marriage to Terri Moulton Horman fractured within six months after she gave birth in November 2008, the result of postpartum depression.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html

 

[Deleted member 718]

I think DY was mad that TH was talking about these very minor issues when Kyron had just gone missing. It is quite odd that TH was focused on her hair instead of on Kyron's situation.

Surely KH makes a good enough income to pay for that himself without having to use child support money for it. Unless DY says that Kyron's needs and reasonable wants were not being met, I doubt she was thinking that. In fact, I doubt she was thinking about child support at all, and that she was focused on doing everything she could to find Kyron.

Yes, you are right. I just don't understand the seven years of animosity Desiree feels for Terri. It's understandable once Kyron goes missing, but Desiree brings up so many past items that it seems she's had a slow burn for some time. I'd probably mention if my awful orange highlights just to keep from screaming. People talk about the silliest of things when under stress. Like getting the giggles at a funeral, it's the emotional stress that brings it out. KWIM?

Easy for me to say, I'm not in her shoes, bless her heart.

 

[matou]

Maybe that explains why she has her eyes rolled up during the first presser. She's thinking really, really hard, "Where was I anyway?" j/k
Sorry, I just don't buy this excuse.

 

[greenbean]

It absolutely floors me that she has not been attacked physically by either of his parents. I would be unable to control myself. I'm not normally a violent person but I would be. These people have tremendous restraint.

None of this bodes well for Kyron. She can't remember where she was? Hardly. She "can't remember" where she dumped his body.

This all makes me sick.

 

[Donjeta]

ITA. My question is why didn't he notice something was wrong with their marriage, IF indeed there was?

My opinion only

This seems to address that question:

Kaine Horman says it was only after Kyron disappeared that he learned the extent of his marital problems. He says he found out Terri Horman had been complaining to friends behind his back for months about their marriage. But he says she rarely expressed those feelings to him.

“She would basically just internalize it and go to somebody else and go, ‘hey, here’s how I feel, our marriage is having problems,’ and just vent to other people, having this victim mentality of, I want you to see it my way, I want you to side with me,” Kaine Horman says. “But she didn’t ever talk to me about it.”

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/10/kyrons-parents-describe-web-of-deception-from-stepmom/

 

[ella971]

No words. Not that I can use without getting TO.

 

[momtective]

BS...that's all I have to say...just BS

 

[Wrinkles]

And about "Terry is lying" ...

From the WilliametteWeekly:

>>Young says Terri Horman was a frequent liar about matters large and small.

“She can’t even tell the truth about her divorce or, you know, how she met Kaine, any of that,” Young says. “Silly little things. Stories about Kyron getting stung by a bee she can’t even tell the truth about.”<<

Hmmm... There is the bee sting thing. We are seeing a thread running through this case with the bee sting. I wonder how that fits into the picture.