DY and KH know Terri is lying

[Wrinkles]

It just occured to me while watching this video again about Kaine and Desiree.
They are talking about Terri failing the LTD, and being very vocal about it, funny how they believed her on that one!

http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/07/kyron_hormans_parents_share_de.html

Funny? I'm not guffawing. I guess I don't find this funny under the circumstances. I bet Kaine and Desiree wanted to puke at Terri's LDT news. My bet is that they contacted LE for help with what they heard from her before believing it.

 

[Donjeta]

Good point - believing Terri seems to be on a PRN (as needed) basis. How convenient! :angel: jmo

I think common sense comes to play here, more than convenience.

Maybe someone could tell me ONE convincing and plausible reason why someone who was told that she had passed her LDT would lie that she failed it and make up excuses for her failure, but I bet Desiree, Kaine and Tony could not see any.
Are there any prior examples of this happening?

I can think of lots of reasons to say you passed even if you failed but why would you lie the other way around? Just to play mind games and torment your already tormented family?

It wouldn't exactly make her look good either. :cow:

 

[Wrinkles]

If Kyron is highly allergic to bee stings, maybe Terri made up a story to Desiree about Kyron being stung and Terri came to the rescue promptly with the epi pen and "saved his lfe". Almost a Munchausen type thing, except the part about him really being stung was possibly a made-up lie. "Look at what a superior mother I am to your son, he was stung and I saved his life..." Maybe Desiree questioned Kyron, after-the-fact,and found out it was all BS and Kyron never got stung at all. Maybe that's the story of her lying about the bee sting...???? As usual, all speculation on my part. so JMO.
Maybe Terri felt that next to Desiree, she was not as good of a mother as Desiree.. Maybe Terri felt he need to rub in Desires face what a wonderful mother she was. Maybe she secretly WANTED Desiree to feel like she was "left out" of he day to day life of Kyron.

Hello Abbie,

I can't get my thanks button to work... wanted to let you know I appreciated your input here. Last night I wondered if any of the receipts from the stores -- those connected to her bank cards -- had epi pins listed for purchase.

Thanks again for your thoughtful post.

 

[AnaTeresa]

Funny? I'm not guffawing. I guess I don't find this funny under the circumstances. I bet Kaine and Desiree wanted to puke at Terri's LDT news. My bet is that they contacted LE for help with what they heard from her before believing it.

I believe Mylou meant funny in the sense of irony, or an odd occurrence, or something that pricks the mind (hinky), rather than "ha ha" funny. I feel it's rather clear in the context of her statement that she found the situation a bit off, rather than funny in the sense of humor. Calling something funny like this is a fairly common manner of speaking, at least in my part of the US.

I, too, find the situation odd. I'm not sure what TMH was saying when she was "very vocal" about failing the lie detector test, but I can imagine situations in which an innocent person could fail and rail against it. I can also imagine situations where a guilty person would attempt to spin the situation. Still, I find her forthrightness about failing it to be odd, just as I find KH and DY's reactions and statements to the situation to be odd (or funny, as some would phrase it).

 

[gardeness]

I agree with Jensen's statement as far as saying "you might as well say 'I'm lying'" because that's what came to my own mind immediately.

You might not know the exact times you were at X and Y, but you could certainly remember what places you went. JMO

ETA: And once you listed the places, the times would fall into place. Again JMO.

I just don't know...with the short timeline, many are speculating that TH had to have pre-planned this whole ordeal. If so, wouldn't she have pre-planned her responses for what she did that day?

It bothers me that we don't know the entire context of her "not remembering". The interviewer in the video says, "for several hours"--that means, IMO, that Terri remembered and reported her memory on June 4. Are people who were "responsible" for a child when the child goes missing not allowed some time to calm down, collect their thoughts, then write out or verbalize their day?

 

[kant]

I know, right? I have wonderful friends and family and there is no way in hades any of them would hide my child for me unless some Mexican cartel or Mafia gangsters were after her. And even then, they'd tell me to go to the FBI or something.

In my opinion, TH knows exactly what happened to Kyron and where he is. She needs to tell LE what happened.

...or how about an illegal, or dangerous, or fill-in-the-blank cartel of unspecified ethnicity, nationality?

 

[AbbieNormal]

I think common sense comes to play here, more than convenience.

Maybe someone could tell me ONE convincing and plausible reason why someone who was told that she had passed her LDT would lie that she failed it and make up excuses for her failure, but I bet Desiree, Kaine and Tony could not see any.
Are there any prior examples of this happening?

I can think of lots of reasons to say you passed even if you failed but why would you lie the other way around? Just to play mind games and torment your already tormented family?

It wouldn't exactly make her look good either. :cow:

She knew she failed, and she has also been described by people who know her very well as a consummate liar about things large and small. MAybe she knew she failed and that news was going to come ot, so she was "running interference: by first telling everyone she failed then coming up with what she probaby thought was brilliant lies about WHY she failed, all probably pointing out to them that its NOT HER FAULT. For example perhaps she said she fels guilty cos she was the last to see Kyron alive, and the lie detector picks up her guilt and perceives that as deception.

I am kind of fascinated in a sick ind of way, I guess, about these kinds of people who lie on a regular basis like she is said to have done. I had a neighbor whose husband was like that. When I met his wife, who I later became friends with, she flat out told me her husband lies all the time and don't believe anything he says. As I got to know him I saw it was true, the man lied 99% of the time, and even about dumb chit. Unnecessary lies. And while hanging out with them, and having conversations, etc she would regularly call him out when he lied, right in front of people. Yet he did it all the time.
What is this "condition" called? Is it a menal disorder or jst a personality defect? He seemed to have no ability to control it. It also did not seem to bother him in the least that peeps knew he lied all the time, and he wasn't embarassed (or didn't appear to be) when she would call him out in front of others.

 

[AnaTeresa]

It bothers me that we don't know the entire context of her "not remembering". The interviewer in the video says, "for several hours"--that means, IMO, that Terri remembered and reported her memory on June 4. Are people who were "responsible" for a child when the child goes missing not allowed some time to calm down, collect their thoughts, then write out or verbalize their day?

Very true. I can easily imagine a hysterical, innocent parent needing time to calm down to remember. When I am upset or very stressed, I sometimes have difficulty recalling things precisely.

I really wish KH and DY were spending more time talking about Kyron, instead of focusing on TMH's "guilt." I am incredibly sympathetic to their plight - I can't imagine the stress a parent would be under while their child is missing. But I feel like many of these statements are taking the focus off of Kyron.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I'm now convinced Kyron's disappearance has absolutely nothing to do with TH givng a damn about his well being...I'm really scared to think what she may have done to him...That woman's heart is cold as ice...JMO..

I'm not sure that woman even has a heart. She might need to make a trip to Oz to see the Wizard jmo

 

[Donjeta]

I believe Mylou meant funny in the sense of irony, or an odd occurrence, or something that pricks the mind (hinky), rather than "ha ha" funny. I feel it's rather clear in the context of her statement that she found the situation a bit off, rather than funny in the sense of humor. Calling something funny like this is a fairly common manner of speaking, at least in my part of the US.

I, too, find the situation odd. I'm not sure what TMH was saying when she was "very vocal" about failing the lie detector test, but I can imagine situations in which an innocent person could fail and rail against it. I can also imagine situations where a guilty person would attempt to spin the situation. Still, I find her forthrightness about failing it to be odd, just as I find KH and DY's reactions and statements to the situation to be odd (or funny, as some would phrase it).

I don't really see what's "funny" about Kaine and Desiree's reactions about Terri's revelations. They seem to have felt that her behavior was off somehow and not having been there I don't have the facts to disagree with them.

As for Terri, she may simply have thought that LE would tell her family that she failed the LDTs so it would be no use lying about it and she was vocal about it to try to get her excuses across before LE got to her family.

 

[SurfieTX]

On reason I can think of for TH to be "very vocal" about failing the LD test is so that she could try to convince her friends and family that LE were all a bunch of bumbling idiots. IOW, friends/family should be trusting HER and looking to HER for the answers, not LE. It seems that ruse worked pretty well for the first couple of days/weeks.

 

[southern_scout]

I just don't know...with the short timeline, many are speculating that TH had to have pre-planned this whole ordeal. If so, wouldn't she have pre-planned her responses for what she did that day?

Ahhh! Good pont.

 

[gardeness]

Another point--from the moment Kaine and Terri realized that Kyron was missing, did they have any (for lack of a better word) peace? I picture them rushing around, making phone calls, going up to the school, being surrounded by people--complete chaos. Busy. Desiree and Tony had, what, a four-hour drive? While also in turmoil, they had time with their thoughts and reflections. I don't think Kaine and Terri had that. When the questioning began, did Kaine have to detail his day at work, or was "I was at work, call my boss" sufficient? If he had to detail his day, would he have been able to do so at that moment?

ETA: In referring to "detail his day", I mean his work day--all of the tasks he completed while at work.

 

[TxLady2]

I don't know how it works, when people are so allergic to bees or wasps that it can be fatal. Is it only if they are stung multiple times by multiple bees? Or will just one sting kill them?
I don't know anyone who doesn't have some kind of allergic reaction to a bee or wasp sting... it affects everyone to some degree. I've never been stung by a bee, AFAIK, but a wasp sting will be very painful and make me deathly ill for hours, but my hubby hardly has a reaction at all.

 

[Donjeta]

It bothers me that we don't know the entire context of her "not remembering". The interviewer in the video says, "for several hours"--that means, IMO, that Terri remembered and reported her memory on June 4. Are people who were "responsible" for a child when the child goes missing not allowed some time to calm down, collect their thoughts, then write out or verbalize their day?

IMO the remark about several hours on the video means that there is a gap of several hours that she is unable to explain what she did on the day of Kyron's disappearance, not that she took several hours to come up with her story the day Kyron disappeared.

We wouldn't still be having this conversation a month into the disappearance if she'd told the police the complete story after collecting her thoughts for a few hours or a day or two, IMO.

 

[BlOnDe_GuRrL]

I just don't know...with the short timeline, many are speculating that TH had to have pre-planned this whole ordeal. If so, wouldn't she have pre-planned her responses for what she did that day?

It bothers me that we don't know the entire context of her "not remembering". The interviewer in the video says, "for several hours"--that means, IMO, that Terri remembered and reported her memory on June 4. Are people who were "responsible" for a child when the child goes missing not allowed some time to calm down, collect their thoughts, then write out or verbalize their day?

I know... right! Who goes through the trouble of having this elaborate plan to kidnap a child.. but then doesn't think to plan out what to say to the cops!
The more time they waste on her, the more time goes by that they could be searching other avenues..

 

[Aedrys]

I just don't know...with the short timeline, many are speculating that TH had to have pre-planned this whole ordeal. If so, wouldn't she have pre-planned her responses for what she did that day?

It bothers me that we don't know the entire context of her "not remembering". The interviewer in the video says, "for several hours"--that means, IMO, that Terri remembered and reported her memory on June 4. Are people who were "responsible" for a child when the child goes missing not allowed some time to calm down, collect their thoughts, then write out or verbalize their day?

Or maybe she just thought she could lie her way through them. I know it doesn't make much sense, but if she thought her lies were working before this, then I'm pretty sure she thought her lies would continue to work after this. Plus, people don't realize how complicated things get when a missing child enters the picture. She probably didn't realize how detailed of a story she'd have to come up with. She probably thought she could throw a few lies out there, and she'd be believed. I think she's stunned and disappointed that her lies aren't working like they usually do.

Makes me wonder if all those years that DH and KH gave the TH the illusion they believed her lies, and maybe it was only behind TH's back or in their minds they were thinking or talking about what a bad liar she was. The way it sounds is that DY, to keep up family harmony for the sake of Kyron, probably didn't call out TH much or at all on her lies. And KH may have been a bit suspicious, but never called her out on lies either because he probably wanted to believe more that she wasn't lying. So she probably thought she was doing a good job of fooling the both of them when she wasn't.

Also, a lot of the time, people don't confront other people on their lies unless it's something severe or over the line, so that makes the liar think that they are good at telling lies and fooling people. Plus it's exhausting to keep calling someone out on their lies when they keep doing it over and over again. Some people just let the liar think they believe them because it's easier to do that than call the liar out on their lies. Unfortunately, this makes the liar think they're good at lying, so they keep doing it. And in some cases, they think they're so good that they can even fool LE, which I haven't seen work yet.

I'm just saying, not everyone pre-plans every detail because they don't think they need to, or think they can lie their way through it easily. And then they find out just how wrong they were when what they did plan or what lies they told end up not working. It seems to me TH really thought she'd be believed and no one would ever suspect her of having anything to do with Kyron missing. All IMO, of course.

 

[Emeralgem]

BBM

But the police do not have the evidence. If they did, Terri would be in jail.

I suspect they have evidence, just not enough yet to arrest her... But I believe they are working on it... even IF she doesn't tell the truth and they can't find Kyron....JMO

 

[gardeness]

IMO the remark about several hours on the video means that there is a gap of several hours that she is unable to explain what she did on the day of Kyron's disappearance, not that she took several hours to come up with her story the day Kyron disappeared.

We wouldn't still be having this conversation a month into the disappearance if she'd told the police the complete story after collecting her thoughts for a few hours or a day or two, IMO.

BBM

But...we're only talking about a four-hour timeline for Terri--from 9 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. There couldn't be a several-hour-gap in there...

 

[citigirl]

Thanks for reminding us about the bee sting. Makes me think Desiree's early interview informing everyone about Kyron's allergy to bee stings was aimed directly at Terri--to remind her of a lie she once told. I wonder if the glasses comment Desiree was also suppoed to be a reminder to Terri about something.