DY and KH know Terri is lying

[Aedrys]

BBM

But...we're only talking about a four-hour timeline for Terri--from 9 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. There couldn't be a several-hour-gap in there...

If she took that picture at the science fair early enough, and then left with Kyron, yes, there could be a several hour gap there. Last time I checked, three or four hours is considered several hours. Plus, I'm not even thinking she would need several hours to begin with to do something with Kyron, but if she's not remembering what she did for several hours, or lied to LE about what she did for several hours, that's a problem.

 

[SurfieTX]

Or maybe she just thought she could lie her way through them. I know it doesn't make much sense, but if she thought her lies were working before this, then I'm pretty sure she thought her lies would continue to work after this.

Totally reminds me of Scott Peterson. He was so adept at lying that I don't think he even considered his lies to ever fail him and his agenda. Another thing, having experienced living with a liar, is that when you are lied to so much, you really start to doubt yourself and your intuition. Plus when you love that person, you don't really WANT to believe that they could do this to you. You want them to be honest and loving. It's a very hard pill to swallow once you realize you have been "had" for many years.

 

[AbbieNormal]

Very true. I can easily imagine a hysterical, innocent parent needing time to calm down to remember. When I am upset or very stressed, I sometimes have difficulty recalling things precisely.

I really wish KH and DY were spending more time talking about Kyron, instead of focusing on TMH's "guilt." I am incredibly sympathetic to their plight - I can't imagine the stress a parent would be under while their child is missing. But I feel like many of these statements are taking the focus off of Kyron.

BBM. I respectfully disagree, I think the focus is still and always has been on KYRON. None of us forget him, God knows hes on my mind all day long everyday. Were I in the Portland area, I would be looking for him myself.
But, I am on the other side of the country and on a message board and all I can do (which is what I love to do) is sit and try to put the pieces of the puzzle together, until some physically finds this child. I am powerless to help make that happen in any way. All I can do is speculate and try to figure out who when why where and how. All I can do is take media accounts and LE statements and statements made by DY and KH and try to figure out what could have happened. I have no illusions that I am going to solve this case. I have no power to help find Kyron. My own way of remembering him and keeping his face and memory out there forever until he is found is to sit here and try to put the pieces together as best I can. And post my feeling theories and thoughts. Its all I can do. Why else would I be here?

 

[seeking truth]

ITA. My question is why didn't he notice something was wrong with their marriage, IF indeed there was?

My opinion only

Maybe Kaine noticed that Terri was behaving differently. He was aware she was suffering from PPD. Most of us would not make the leap in thinking regarding the accusations against Terri that exist now. Blaming the husband for not knowing what was going on in his wife's head? Blaming the man whose child has been "disappeared" by the woman he was married to and thought he could trust? Blaming a man who has been "blindsided" by the fact that the woman he loved had recently attempted to hire someone to murder him?

Of course this is a free and open board, not to mention, society. I'm not contesting your right to your personal opinions and questions, nor your right to have them and express them. I am surprised, though, that there is a possible attempt to blame Kaine for not knowing what was wrong in his marriage and what that implies in terms of Kyron's "disappearance.".

IF there was something wrong with the marriage? Apparently in Terri's mind there was.

Just my opinions and thoughts on this subject.

 

[Donjeta]

BBM

But...we're only talking about a four-hour timeline for Terri--from 9 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. There couldn't be a several-hour-gap in there...

Well, say she lied about three or four hours of that time, that could IMO be called several, particularly if the reporter doesn't have exact information about how many hours exactly are in question.

This is what the video says:

During the same interview Desiree Young shared for the first time that she knew that Terri was unable to account to the police for her actions for several hours on June 4th, the day Kyron went missing.

I can tell you what I ate that day and she can't tell you where she was.

Probably the most disturbing thing is, on this day when this child disappeared, you don't know where you are, you might as well say you're lying, that's ridiculous.

Desiree is speaking in present tense, indicating that Terri is still unable to tell you what she did, not just in the first hour or two of questioning, and I think the opening sentence is to be parsed as "for her actions for several hours" instead of "unable to account to the police for several hours".

Just moo though.

 

[AbbieNormal]

BBM

But...we're only talking about a four-hour timeline for Terri--from 9 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. There couldn't be a several-hour-gap in there...

Thats why I say she is FOS about "not remembering" where she was. If this was a well thought out crime she would have receipts, video of herself in stores, or whatever, to PROVE later on where she was and what she was doing in that time period. She apparently didn't get that far in her planning of this crime.
Yes, ok she was "under pressure, things were chaotic and possibly she got confused (which I don;t really believe in her case, think shes just lying) but anyway maybe it was hard for ALL of them to immediately recall their whole day. I have bad bad memory problems stemming from my coma, and I forget things all the time. I have to write notes to myself to remember a lot of stuff. My husband will tell me something and its like I am hearing it for the first time, yet he says he already told it to me weeks ago. My memory is crap. BUT I recently ran a whole day of errands. Last week, in fact. I would have NO PROBLEM remembering, even under pressure, where I was and what I was doing. Plus I have receipts. I don't think for one minute she has selective convienent forgetfulness about here she was during those critical hrs of 9am to 1pm. She has a history of lying, not a history of forgetfullness.

 

[Mylou]

I believe Mylou meant funny in the sense of irony, or an odd occurrence, or something that pricks the mind (hinky), rather than "ha ha" funny. I feel it's rather clear in the context of her statement that she found the situation a bit off, rather than funny in the sense of humor. Calling something funny like this is a fairly common manner of speaking, at least in my part of the US.

Thank you, thats exactly what I meant.

 

[seeking truth]

Very true. I can easily imagine a hysterical, innocent parent needing time to calm down to remember. When I am upset or very stressed, I sometimes have difficulty recalling things precisely.

I really wish KH and DY were spending more time talking about Kyron, instead of focusing on TMH's "guilt." I am incredibly sympathetic to their plight - I can't imagine the stress a parent would be under while their child is missing. But I feel like many of these statements are taking the focus off of Kyron.

BBM

How in the world does talking about Kyron help find him? Talking about WHO is responsible for his "disappearance" is much more likely to bring answers in this case. Desiree and Kaine are working closely with LE; they have stated this and no one in LE has contested this. I feel confident that the tactics they are using in their media appearances are all being influenced by what LE is telling them and advising them.

I do not understand exactly what people mean when they say "keep the focus on Kyron." How in the world would it help, at this point, to sit around discussing how cute he is, how shy he is, or anything else about him?

We know what he looks like, we've heard, (as Desiree herself pointed out) all Kinds of things about his personality.

The focus on Kyron should be anything that points to what happened to him and who did it. It's pretty clear where that focus needs to be.

MY OPINION

 

[Aedrys]

Thanks for reminding us about the bee sting. Makes me think Desiree's early interview informing everyone about Kyron's allergy to bee stings was aimed directly at Terri--to remind her of a lie she once told. I wonder if the glasses comment Desiree was also suppoed to be a reminder to Terri about something.

Holy Moly, I hadn't even thought about that. So releasing the bee sting and the birthmark, and the glasses comment, was probably a psychological tactic. A way of saying, see, we KNOW you're lying, the gig is up, TH! See, I always figured these things were directed at TH, but not why until now. Calling her out on her lies in a way like this surely is making TH mad, I bet. And only she would know these are lies she's told. Very clever.

 

[wondering1]

I suspect they have evidence, just not enough yet to arrest her... But I believe they are working on it... even IF she doesn't tell the truth and they can't find Kyron....JMO

They may even have enough to arrest her. Just not enough for a slam dunk conviction. They may believe she's more useful to them out than in (the KH/DY full court press in the media points to this, imo). Plus the fact that they still haven't found Kyron. She wouldn't be the first criminal that did something stupid after the fact while under LE surveillance, and it seems to me like they're trying to push her in that direction.

 

[gardeness]

Well, say she lied about three or four hours of that time, that could IMO be called several, particularly if the reporter doesn't have exact information about how many hours exactly are in question.

This is what the video says:




Desiree is speaking in present tense, indicating that Terri is still unable to tell you what she did, not just in the first hour or two of questioning, and I think the opening sentence is to be parsed as "for her actions for several hours" instead of "unable to account to the police for several hours".

Just moo though.

Thanks for your opinion!

Here is mine:
Transcribed from the video:
Interviewer, referring to Desiree Young: "...for the first time, that she knew Terri was unable to account to police for her actions, for several hours on June 4 , the day Kyron went missing..." BBM

"for several hours on June 4" was stressed as a whole by the interviewer.

I disagree that DY is speaking in present tense, as the LE would have labeled TH as "uncooperative" if she had not given them her timeline for that day.

 

[AbbieNormal]

BBM

How in the world does talking about Kyron help find him? Talking about WHO is responsible for his "disappearance" is much more likely to bring answers in this case. Desiree and Kaine are working closely with LE; they have stated this and no one in LE has contested this. I feel confident that the tactics they are using in their media appearances are all being influenced by what LE is telling them and advising them.

I do not understand exactly what people mean when they say "keep the focus on Kyron." How in the world would it help, at this point, to sit around discussing how cute he is, how shy he is, or anything else about him?

We know what he looks like, we've heard, (as Desiree herself pointed out) all Kinds of things about his personality.

The focus on Kyron should be anything that points to what happened to him and who did it. It's pretty clear where that focus needs to be.

MY OPINION

I bet DY and KH are so convinced that Terri did this they are just about to explode with anger How they keep it together is just amazing to me. I don;t even have a bad temper, per se, but I would be beyond enraged. They are doing all they can do to let everyone know, including Terri, that she is the one that holds the key to where Kyron is, and they know it. And they want Terri to know it too. Right now all they want is their child, preferably alive but if not, they still want him brought back to them for what comes next. I suspect if DY could get Terri alone for 5 minutes she would choke the life out of her until she talked. The frustration must be incomprehensible. I know I would have to be heavily medicated to cope and not go off the deep end.
I pray when he is found that LE gets whatever they need to arrest this creature and put her in a cold concrete box. For a good long time. Maybe LEe does have plenty of evidence and is hoping Terri will break and fess up to Kyrons location. Dunno, this case has had some weird "strategies". IMO

 

[wondering1]

What do y'all make of DY saying that TH lied about bee stings on the link in this thread, when you consider the prior late release of that info in DY and KH's answers to press question--the email iirc. Another deliberate baiting of TH in the email answers? In the newer link? Do you think the bee stings/allergy and related lies by TH are directly related to the case against TH in some way?

Haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if this has been covered already.

eta: never mind, I see it's discusse in another thread. Sorry!

 

[eyes4crime]

I don't know how it works, when people are so allergic to bees or wasps that it can be fatal. Is it only if they are stung multiple times by multiple bees? Or will just one sting kill them?
I don't know anyone who doesn't have some kind of allergic reaction to a bee or wasp sting... it affects everyone to some degree. I've never been stung by a bee, AFAIK, but a wasp sting will be very painful and make me deathly ill for hours, but my hubby hardly has a reaction at all.

It's called anaphylactic shock with sever swelling of the airways and face. It's truly an emergency situation. People/children who are allergic to bee stings can have an emergency the very first sting or the symptoms get progressively worse with each sting.

Most people with an allergy to bee stings have been given a prescription by their doctor for Epi-pen to give immediately when they or their child get stung. If Kyron had an allergy to bees, to know this he would have had to have had an allergic reaction to a bee sting and seems to me, both families would be carrying epinephrine. jmo

 

[Donjeta]

Thanks for your opinion!

Here is mine:
Transcribed from the video:
Interviewer, referring to Desiree Young: "...for the first time, that she knew Terri was unable to account to police for her actions, for several hours on June 4 , the day Kyron went missing..." BBM

"for several hours on June 4" was stressed as a whole by the interviewer.

I disagree that DY is speaking in present tense, as the LE would have labeled TH as "uncooperative" if she had not given them her timeline for that day.

But I think she did give them a timeline, it just turned out to be untrue. Cooperative does not equal truthful, IMO, just as it apparently didn't equal, "not walking out of polygraphs you've agreed to have".

As for what the interviewer stressed, it didn't change my mind because IMO it fits my interpretation to stress "for several hours June fourth" just fine. June 4th is the day of the several hours gap, the day on which her actions are of interest.

We don't have to agree.
:twocents:

 

[Mylou]

I don't know how it works, when people are so allergic to bees or wasps that it can be fatal. Is it only if they are stung multiple times by multiple bees? Or will just one sting kill them?
I don't know anyone who doesn't have some kind of allergic reaction to a bee or wasp sting... it affects everyone to some degree. I've never been stung by a bee, AFAIK, but a wasp sting will be very painful and make me deathly ill for hours, but my hubby hardly has a reaction at all.

Most of the people I know that have been stung by bees have the pain, and swelling, that's what I get. Others I know that say they are allergic to bees, have to go to the hospital for a shot, or have some kind of kit, because they can die from it.

 

[AnaTeresa]

I do not understand exactly what people mean when they say "keep the focus on Kyron." How in the world would it help, at this point, to sit around discussing how cute he is, how shy he is, or anything else about him?

We know what he looks like, we've heard, (as Desiree herself pointed out) all Kinds of things about his personality.

The focus on Kyron should be anything that points to what happened to him and who did it. It's pretty clear where that focus needs to be.

What I mean is that the focus should be on asking people for tips, telling them what to look for, imploring for his return, etc. etc. It's not necessarily about his personality, "how cute he is," but rather on what to be on the lookout for.

In my opinion, the focus should be on finding him, not on TMH. It's possible (probable even) that she may have committed the crime. But I feel like these statements and media articles are completely focused on TMH's mental state, her marriage to KH, the alleged murder for hire - we're not hearing about Kyron. Where is he? Does LE believe he is alive? If so, what should we be alert for? That, to me, is keeping the focus on Kyron. Right now, I feel like the focus more is on the sensational announcements from the family and the discord between TMH and the rest of Kyron's parents. Just look at the media coverage - how many times is TMH mentioned in comparison to Kyron in the articles? What is the focus? What's "selling" with the public?

Just my opinion, of course, but I really don't see these statements as keeping the focus on Kyron at all. :twocents:

 

[Mylou]

Maybe Terri told DY she realized Kyron was allergic to bee stings? Maybe the lie was that he was allergic? I don't know...I'm just thinking out loud here.

They just released the information awhile ago about Kyron being allergic to bees, so if it was a lie, I don't think they would have released that info.

 

[AbbieNormal]

What do y'all make of DY saying that TH lied about bee stings on the link in this thread, when you consider the prior late release of that info in DY and KH's answers to press question--the email iirc. Another deliberate baiting of TH in the email answers? In the newer link? Do you think the bee stings/allergy and related lies by TH are directly related to the case against TH in some way?

Haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if this has been covered already.

eta: never mind, I see it's discusse in another thread. Sorry!

In my mind I don;t think the bee sting thing is related to any theory on how or why hes missing, I think its just another example of Terri telling lies on a regular basis for either NO reason or for bigger reasons that she herself thought would make herself look good/ heroic/ superior to DY as a mother, or whatever.
But I don't think Terri can possibly weave bee sting into why Kyron is missing. Did bees carry him off? Its just another piece of info, IMO.

 

[wondering1]

sounds to me more like Terri invented a story about a bee sting instead of saying nothing happened when Kyron was stung by a bee.

sbm

This sounds the most likely to me. DY knew she was lying b/c Kyron is allergic to bees and would have had a reaction to a sting. And it's *silly* b/c their couldn't have been a bee sting b/c there was no reaction. So it wouldn't have caused DY to worry. And I agree with those who related DY's recent remark back to prior one about the bee allergy. Deliberate baiting of TH.
Initially, I thought it might be directly related to the case. But if DY is calling it a *silly* lie, I'm thinking not.