DY and KH know Terri is lying

[SurfieTX]

Most of the people I know that have been stung by bees have the pain, and swelling, that's what I get. Others I know that say they are allergic to bees, have to go to the hospital for a shot, or have some kind of kit, because they can die from it.

The only true difference between "allergic" and "reaction," is anaphylactic shock, which is deadly. I had to have a steroid shot for a wasp sting I received earlier this year. I was stung on my thumb and the swelling progressed in 2 days to include my entire forearm; however, I am not "allergic" to wasps, per se. The EpiPen is used to treat anaphylaxis. It is a must-have for someone truly allergic to bees, wasps, peanut butter or whatever.

 

[seeking truth]

What do y'all make of DY saying that TH lied about bee stings on the link in this thread, when you consider the prior late release of that info in DY and KH's answers to press question--the email iirc. Another deliberate baiting of TH in the email answers? In the newer link? Do you think the bee stings/allergy and related lies by TH are directly related to the case against TH in some way?

Haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if this has been covered already.

eta: never mind, I see it's discusse in another thread. Sorry!

Wondering1, what is the name of the thread that has this discussion going on?

Like you, I was really interested in Desiree mentioning Terri lying about Kyron and bee-stings, since there was the earlier release of information about bee-stings.

Thanks

 

[Donjeta]

IMO if TH did it it makes sense to talk about her because the statements about her may bring out the final tipster who knows about what she did that day or has some other evidence and it'll help find Kyron or convict her.

If she didn't do it the statements are less useful because it may keep people from sending in tips about other perp candidates but maybe if someone comes forward about her it could help the police to finally clear her timeline that day, clear her and move forward.

I'm absolutely OK with putting the focus on the perps or suspects if experts think it might be useful in solving the case.

Anything that might help solving what happened to Kyron and getting him justice is keeping him in focus , IMO. He doesn't have to be the only name mentioned to be at the heart of things.

 

[PortlandMama]

Do some of the comments about Terri's behavior after Kyron went missing--comments by KH, DY and the gym owner--sound to anyone else like she may be dissociating periodically? Looking right past the people in the gym, not acknowledging others' efforts, "creepy" feeling of gym owner, not appropriately participating in their daily search efforts (e.g., worrying over her hair instead of her stepson), and even her aspect at the family press conference. What do you think? Do we have any verified experts that could weigh in on this possibility? :waitasec:

 

[wondering1]

In my mind I don;t think the bee sting thing is related to any theory on how or why hes missing, I think its just another example of Terri telling lies on a regular basis for either NO reason or for bigger reasons that she herself thought would make herself look good/ heroic/ superior to DY as a mother, or whatever.
But I don't think Terri can possibly weave bee sting into why Kyron is missing. Did bees carry him off? Its just another piece of info, IMO.

I agree. After thinking about it for a bit, I'm don't think DY wouldn't have called it a *silly* lie if it was directly related to the case. Don't mind me :blushing:

 

[PortlandMama]

sbm

This sounds the most likely to me. DY knew she was lying b/c Kyron is allergic to bees and would have had a reaction to a sting. And it's *silly* b/c their couldn't have been a bee sting b/c there was no reaction. So it wouldn't have caused DY to worry. And I agree with those who related DY's recent remark back to prior one about the bee allergy. Deliberate baiting of TH.
Initially, I thought it might be directly related to the case. But if DY is calling it a *silly* lie, I'm thinking not.

Or, I was thinking it might be that she lied about an aspect of the bee sting, not that he got a bee sting. But something unnecessary to create a lie about and therefore silly. For example, maybe DY asked how he got stung (which really wouldn't matter from a medical standpoint), and TH created a scenario that DY found out subsequenty wasn't the case. Just a thought.

 

[wondering1]

Wondering1, what is the name of the thread that has this discussion going on?

Like you, I was really interested in Desiree mentioning Terri lying about Kyron and bee-stings, since there was the earlier release of information about bee-stings.

Thanks

Something like "the day kryon went missing and forward" It's right near the top of the list.

 

[Donjeta]

They just released the information awhile ago about Kyron being allergic to bees, so if it was a lie, I don't think they would have released that info.

Only if it was somehow a message for Terri about her lies. Otherwise I don't see the point of claiming an allergy he doesn't have, although it wouldn't be really dangerous to avoid bees just in case.

 

[gardeness]

But I think she did give them a timeline, it just turned out to be untrue. Cooperative does not equal truthful, IMO, just as it apparently didn't equal, "not walking out of polygraphs you've agreed to have".

As for what the interviewer stressed, it didn't change my mind because IMO it fits my interpretation to stress "for several hours June fourth" just fine. June 4th is the day of the several hours gap, the day on which her actions are of interest.

We don't have to agree.
:twocents:

BBM

Right--and I have no problem with that!!

Just a point--I don't think that saying that Terri still (to this day) doesn't remember what she did that day, as you feel DY said, is equivalent to lying about a timeline. IMO, those are two separate issues. Now, I personally haven't heard DY state that Terri lied about her timeline--I have heard her say that Terri is a liar and that Terri couldn't "tell you where she was".

 

[AbbieNormal]

What I mean is that the focus should be on asking people for tips, telling them what to look for, imploring for his return, etc. etc. It's not necessarily about his personality, "how cute he is," but rather on what to be on the lookout for.

In my opinion, the focus should be on finding him, not on TMH. It's possible (probable even) that she may have committed the crime. But I feel like these statements and media articles are completely focused on TMH's mental state, her marriage to KH, the alleged murder for hire - we're not hearing about Kyron. Where is he? Does LE believe he is alive? If so, what should we be alert for? That, to me, is keeping the focus on Kyron. Right now, I feel like the focus more is on the sensational announcements from the family and the discord between TMH and the rest of Kyron's parents. Just look at the media coverage - how many times is TMH mentioned in comparison to Kyron in the articles? What is the focus? What's "selling" with the public?

Just my opinion, of course, but I really don't see these statements as keeping the focus on Kyron at all. :twocents:

But they have and still are asking people for tips. Imploroing people to look for him in their day to day activities. They had SAR teams out already, and I hope they still do have people searching places other than Sauvie Island for him. I admit they are not imploring for "whoever has him" to please drop him off safe somewhere, which makes me think they as much as they would like to beleive theres an accomplice, and he is alive and being cared for by some unknown person, they don't really think so because if they did, they wold be imploring DAILY on national TV please return this child, drop him off, we just want him back. And I don;t hear any of that. Even from the parents, all they say is they believe Kyron is still alive. And as parents, I suppose until there is confirmation he is not alive comes, they have to believe he is still alive out there to preserve their sanity. To admit otherwise would probably feel like their were giving up on Kyron, and they don;t want to do that.
They know TH is responsible, obviously as that is now the subject of their interviews and pressers. They are discussing her guilt, so why can't we also, based on what they an LE/ media say? WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO, sitting here in Maryland on the other side of the country? I don;t know their motive for the discussing of Th and her lying, etc but they must think it is going to somehow help get Kyron back. Maybe guilt or pressure her into talking. (I don;t think its going to work) I think this cold hearted woman is taking to the grave what happened to Kyron.
We are not forgetting Kyron by discussing the facts surrounding his disappearance. In fact the avatars of frogs and the frog pictures show that we are honoring Kyron, not forgetting him, wanting him to return.
We don't even know this kid, yet we sit all day posting about him, checking the news, etc Why, cos we are all a bunch of nosey bitties, bored with nothing else to do? No, because we care and what we are doing here is ALL some of us can do for Kyron. We can't look for him, we can only hope for JUSTICE for him, one way or another. My opinion only.

abbie

 

[Donjeta]

Do some of the comments about Terri's behavior after Kyron went missing--comments by KH, DY and the gym owner--sound to anyone else like she may be dissociating periodically? Looking right past the people in the gym, not acknowledging others' efforts, "creepy" feeling of gym owner, not appropriately participating in their daily search efforts (e.g., worrying over her hair instead of her stepson), and even her aspect at the family press conference. What do you think? Do we have any verified experts that could weigh in on this possibility? :waitasec:

There is a thread for mental health questions for the verified posters. I'm not a verified anything but IMHO we don't really have enough information to say that she is or isn't dissociating. We would have to talk to her and find out how she experienced these things (and hope she's telling the truth). She could simply have withdrawn from the search efforts or complained about her hair because she felt guilty or ashamed that strangers cared and his own stepmother hurt him or because she knew all the searching was pointless anyway or just because she didn't give a darn.

 

[seeking truth]

Something like "the day kryon went missing and forward" It's right near the top of the list.

Thank you, Wondering1.

 

[ClueMeIn]

Maybe on the ldt they asked Terri if Kyron was allergic to bees, and she said, "no!" Making it a silly little lie, which in my opinion would be.

 

[kant]

Interesting that Desiree elaborated on her suspicious feeling when she talked to Terri immediately after the school called her to say Kyron was missing.

Desiree said Terri told her:

"(Terri) said that she had gone to the school for the science fair, that she had stayed for a little while, and then she waved at him as he was walking toward his classroom, and she didn't walk him to his classroom, and then she left."

When Desiree was asked her reaction to Terri's story she reiterated that her motherly instincts kicked in and that Terri better not have done anything to her son and went on to say:

"I just didn't feel right about the conversation, it didn't strike me right."


I think this is important because it sounds like Desiree is saying that Terri's presentation of her version of events sounded like a lie from the very start.

Kaine and Desiree both go on to say that, even before the investigators led them to believe Terri could be involved, Desiree and Kaine both felt like Terri was moving in a different direction, not with them doing whatever was needed to find Kyron. Desiree also talks about the first, full-family press conference, saying how difficult it was to stand next to someone she felt was lying. Desiree talks about how she has a hard time hiding her emotions. Many of us easily picked up the rift at that press conference. It seemed to me like Terri was not good at hiding her emotions either.

So was Kyron not in class and no teacher/ school rep called the home?

Also, how did the conversation b/w bio mom and TH come about? Was Kyron already missing when Terri said to bio mom that she didnt "walk him to class?"

 

[Skully]

I wonder if Terri and Desiree got into it about something in the days before Kyron went missing. I`m suspicious about the fact that Kyron was supposed to visit with his mom on that weekend and then all of a sudden he`s gone. Desiree was instantly suspicious of her, from her comments on the presser.

From tonight`s presser, Desiree stated that she`s known Terri for a long time. Didn`t she previously clear up the fact that she was NOT FRIENDS with Terri when Kyron was born:waitasec: I thinks there is confusion about them being friends or knowing each other for a long time.

I am wondering if Kyron expressed things to his mom about Terri? He wasn't a baby and could tell if things weren't right in the home or with his care. Terri moved in to take care of Kaine and Kyron while Desiree was sick. She ends up married to Kaine, how would that feel? I as a woman, even if I was divorced to him, would be mad. If my health was so bad, I couldn't take care of my family and next thing I know, the "nurse/friend/caretaker" is sleeping in my bed with my husband and has my little boy, well I won't go there. I am saying there is a lot more to what we are reading folks. As for the lying on Terri part, why lie? About anything? Kyron is missing.

I am dealing right now with a woman who has lied about so many things, and she is cold, calculating and I have to tell ya, I was blindsided by her. this woman is mean, and feel above the law. Little things didn't add up, they were lies, but about stuff no one cares about. But I didn't see what was coming. I look back now, and can see how this was working on her part, hind sight is 20/20. I think that is what DY and Kaine are seeing, they are seeing the things that didn't add up, but weren't big at the time. If Terri is anything like the woman I am dealing with, she will take it to her grave unless they get her red handed and even then she will deny, deny, deny.

 

[seeking truth]

I think she's probably told them a detailed story about where she was, it just doesn't seem to be true.

This case (precious Kyron) has me running for information about liars, pathological liars, psychopaths vs. sociopaths ...on and on. Great for the ol' morale, yet interesting and important information to have, I believe.

Like so many here, sharing about their lives, I've experienced people who seem to lie for no reason, lie a lot, who dismiss their lies when caught in them, seeming not to care that they have been "called out." Some liars, though, become indignant and enraged, and as Aedreys (hope I spelled your "name" right) has pointed out, it is exhausting to keep calling a person out on their lies. I think it can also be dangerous.

As Donjeta points out in the post I'm responding to, Terri quite possibly told a detailed story about her movements on June 4th. My guess is that she was immediately caught in lies by LE and family, school, and friends, and that these lies are continuing to be investigated; hopefully to result in an arrest.

Some liars go into great detail when explaining something and that, along with their demeanor and facial expressions, has come to mean, for me anyway, that there is more than likely a huge lie being perpetrated upon me.

Just my thoughts on this subject. Also MY OPINIONS.

 

[kant]

Right...why would anyone have to lie about a child's bee sting? Just for lying's sake? To cover for something they did that looks a bit like a bee sting? Because it happened somewhere she wasn't supposed to be with the child?

So if Terri lied about the bee sting do they know for sure if Kyron is allergic to bees or not? How many times would an average seven-year-old have managed to be stung by bees? I've never been stung by a bee and I'm quite a bit older than Kyron.

Yes, and also possibly, (and especially if he has issues with bee stings) it could be another chapter of the Im-a-super-stepmom portrayal of herself.
( --as in deliberately create a problem, then rush in and be regarded/praised for "saving" the person or doing a good deed, being diligent etc.)

 

[Amster]

Does anyone have the link to the recent Nightline report on Kyron? There was more of the Kaine, Desiree interview that was interesting. I can't find it....

 

[SurfieTX]

Yes, and also possibly, (and especially if he has issues with bee stings) it could be another chapter of the Im-a-super-stepmom portrayal of herself.
( --as in deliberately create a problem, then rush in and be regarded/praised for "saving" the person or doing a good deed, being diligent etc.)

I've been thinking that too...as different statements have come out about TH - Meunchausen by proxy.

 

[amysmom]

I think many of us were very astute when we watched the first family presser and recognized DY's body language to be saying she didn't want TH to touch her....

My other comment that I mentioned in the closed thread is that women know women but men don't know women.

I clearly recall there was some friction over what some saw that others didn't in DY's body language that day..I wasn't directly involved but must admit I wasn't sure I saw anything out of the ordinary. :loser:

So! I sincerely suggest all the "astute" posters give themselves a big fat pat on the back! :dance:

You deserve it