Ebola outbreak - general thread #1

[jillybean51]

I thought ebola could travel via the air. hmmm

It is spread through direct contact with body fluids.

 

[jjenny]

ABC7 News (@abc7newsBayArea) tweeted at 12:01am - 1 Oct 14:

CDC: US patient may have been exposed to just a handful of people since returning the US; probably did not infect others. (https://twitter.com/abc7newsBayArea/status/517071703638175746)

How much do they want to bet on "probably?"

 

[zwiebel]

WFMY News 2 (@WFMY) tweeted at 12:09am - 1 Oct 14:

CDC facts on #Ebola The virus can be spread in several ways: Such as through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) (https://twitter.com/WFMY/status/517073839956971520)

 

[matou]

In the movie I posted from Nova, there were two groups of monkeys in separate rooms and healthy monkeys in one room started getting ebola. It is thought that the ventilation system was the way the virus moved from one group of monkeys to the other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za_ZW1vpkzI

 

[jjenny]

It is spread through direct contact with body fluids.

Unfortunately it's in all the fluids, so it's very contagious.
They need to make more ZMAPP ASAP.

 

[jjenny]

This is not good at all. This person was symptomatic starting September 24th. Was only admitted to the hospital on September 28th.
During his symptomatic period, how many people were infected?
I guess we will find out soon enough.

 

[zwiebel]

I don't understand why it seems to become highly contagious at an advanced stage, and after death. Is it because of all the bleeding that occurs, maybe?

My ipad has given up letting me copy and past again, but there was a tweet that said authorities have no concern about passengers on the Liberian flight as the patient did not have a fever then. But another said the patient's contacts will be checked so....?

 

[jjenny]

I don't understand why it seems to become highly contagious at an advanced stage, and after death. Is it because of all the bleeding that occurs, maybe?

My ipad has given up letting me copy and past again, but there was a tweet that said authorities have no concern about passengers on the Liberian flight as the patient did not have a fever then. But another said the patient's contacts will be checked so....?

I think because concentration of virus in bodily fluids becomes very high.

 

[murphy3k]

In the movie I posted from Nova, there were two groups of monkeys in separate rooms and healthy monkeys in one room started getting ebola. It is thought that the ventilation system was the way the virus moved from one group of monkeys to the other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za_ZW1vpkzI

That was Ebola-Reston, which is a completely different strain of Ebola.

Initially thought to be the same hyper-deadly strain as the current Ebola outbreak that has killed hundreds in Africa, the previously unknown Reston variant turned out to be nonlethal to humans.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/10/ebola-1989-outbreak/13860929/

 

[nrdsb4]

Please don't go there.

Why not? This is how this disease will take hold-from people not being honest about their chances of exposure, or on the other hand, lack of appropriate screening.

This patient "sought treatment" before arriving at the ER a couple of days later. I would like to know why, given this patient's symptoms and travel history, he wasn't isolated immediately. Either the medical facility neglected to screen him appropriately, or he was not honest about his travel history. Either of these possibilities are unacceptable.

 

[nrdsb4]

but there was a tweet that said authorities have no concern about passengers on the Liberian flight as the patient did not have a fever then. But another said the patient's contacts will be checked so....?

They are referring to the people with whom he came into contact AFTER he became symptomatic, not those with whom he came into contact before he began to show symptoms. Obviously they will trace every contact from the time of symptoms until he was hospitalized. Since he was not sick while he was on the airplane, those people would not be considered to be at risk.

 

[Lyra500]

I don't understand why it seems to become highly contagious at an advanced stage, and after death. Is it because of all the bleeding that occurs, maybe?

My ipad has given up letting me copy and past again, but there was a tweet that said authorities have no concern about passengers on the Liberian flight as the patient did not have a fever then. But another said the patient's contacts will be checked so....?

I think because concentration of virus in bodily fluids becomes very high.

What jjenny said - basically the virus just keeps on and on replication until by the time patients are really ill and if they die they are basically chock full of contagious virus just waiting to transfer to someone else. So, you end up with a highly concentrated virus solution which can be vomited or passed out in several other ways before death and then also passed out of the body post mortem.

The usual practice of washing the body after death then becomes an incredibly dangerous thing to do.

 

[jjenny]

Why not? This is how this disease will take hold-from people not being honest about their chances of exposure, or on the other hand, lack of appropriate screening.

This patient "sought treatment" before arriving at the ER a couple of days later. I would like to know why, given this patient's symptoms and travel history, he wasn't isolated immediately. Either the medical facility neglected to screen him appropriately, or he was not honest about his travel history. Either of these possibilities are unacceptable.

Me too. This response by whatever doctor let him go is ridiculous.
How could the doctors let a patient with dangerous disease go without being admitted?
After all the blabbing CDC did how US is ready, we can plainly see that US is completely unprepared. They can't even recognize Ebola in a patient, despite all the warnings.

 

[zwiebel]

CDC (@CDCgov) tweeted at 12:38am - 1 Oct 14:

CDC doesn't recommend people on same commercial airline flights w/US #Ebola patient undergo monitoring. 1.usa.gov/1nHgD2K (https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/517081081326366721)

 

[nrdsb4]

jjenny, we don't know who he went to first to seek treatment. It could have been a doctor's office or acute care center. As far as we know, when he presented at the hospital ER, he was isolated as soon as his travel history and symptoms became known.

 

[Le Singe]

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-patient-confirmed-as-first-ebola-case-diagnosed-in-us-205031312.html


i was reading an article and saw this

The man saught medical treatment last Friday before being sent home, but later admitted to the hospital on Sunday.

OMG what the actual hell is going on how could that have happened.

In the same article they say:

Officials at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas put the man into “strict isolation” and sent a blood specimen to state and federal labs for testing.

ya AFTER YOU SENT HIM HOMES FOR ANOTHER 48 HOURS to have contact with god knows how many more people.... this is how it got out of control in africa.

anyone know what is up with that?

 

[nrdsb4]

People, we DO NOT KNOW that he presented to the same hospital (or even any hospital) on the 26th as he did on the 28th. Let's not crucify anyone without knowing the facts.

 

[fhc]

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-patient-confirmed-as-first-ebola-case-diagnosed-in-us-205031312.html


i was reading an article and saw this




OMG what the actual hell is going on how could that have happened.

In the same article they say:



ya AFTER YOU SENT HIM HOMES FOR ANOTHER 48 HOURS to have contact with god knows how many more people.... this is how it got out of control in africa.

anyone know what is up with that?

He did not disclose that he came from Liberia...btw, there are NO direct flights to DFW from Africa

 

[Le Singe]

CDC (@CDCgov) tweeted at 12:38am - 1 Oct 14:

CDC doesn't recommend people on same commercial airline flights w/US #Ebola patient undergo monitoring. 1.usa.gov/1nHgD2K (https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/517081081326366721)

hmmm you're in the future still september over here

 

[jjenny]

jjenny, we don't know who he went to first to seek treatment. It could have been a doctor's office or acute care center. As far as we know, when he presented at the hospital ER, he was isolated as soon as his travel history and symptoms became known.

Well, then whatever doctor let him go has a lot of explaining to do.