Ebola outbreak - general thread #3

[Footwarrior]

Snipped by me.

This is what is concerning to me about the potential of this outbreak. Frieden and others are saying that it will be easily contained in the U.S. because of our superior medical infrastructure etc., but what about all the other countries in the world? Do they have what we have in terms centralized disease control, isolation procedures, hospital facilities? For every country that is advanced, there is likely another that is not so much.

How many other countries will be able to contain it once an infected person arrives from Africa? And when it happens, we're not looking at just worrying about who's coming here from Africa, but every other country as well.

Nigeria contained the outbreak in their country using the same basic techniques that are being used in Dallas. But if you really want the risk to go away, the only solution is to attack the problem at its source in West Africa.

Earlier in this thread, some asked what the U.S. military forces sent by Obama can do to help. Our military has the equipment and skills to set up new treatment facilities in only a day or two. We have logistics experts that can get equipment and supplies where they are needed. We have communications experts that can help organize the search for infected persons. We have transport equipment that can operate in areas with poor or nonexistent roads. And to top it off we have trained personnel and equipment for handing biological hazards.

 

[trigger]

IDK if anyone saw this article about Duncan's boss...

Duncan's former boss in Monrovia, Liberia, said the patient had been his driver for the last year or two until he abruptly left his job in early September.

"I really don’t know," why he left, Henry Brunson, general manager of Safeway Cargo, told ABC News. "He didn’t resign. He just left the office. He just walked away.”

Brunson didn't know where Duncan went until he saw him on the news as the Ebola patient in Dallas, Texas.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/texas-ebola-patient-thomas-duncan-prayed-family-phone/story?id=25885934

 

[LaLaw2000]

Jesse Jackson is coming to Dallas to be sure Duncan & Co are treated fairly .


http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/07/jesse-jackson-dallas-ebola-scare/16846791/

Let the games begin !~

*Groan*

 

[SStarr33]

Not sure if you guys have seen it, but racism has been blamed in all of the comment sections of the MSM stories as to why Duncan did not get any experimental medication sooner. Maybe this is why JJ is going to Dallas?

 

[SStarr33]

Look at this video at about the 45 second mark. This doctor picks up his rubber boots, from the bottom, with his bare hands. No way would I do that without being gloved.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/ebola-outbreak/

ETA, he is a "medical worker", not a doctor.

 

[Elley Mae]

Where did they get antibodies from survivors? Both patients that they had in Spain had died.

The infected nurse is being treated using blood serum from a nun who survived Ebola after contracting the disease in Liberia, the newspaper El Mundo reported.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/08/w...in-seeks-to-prevent-spread-of-virus.html?_r=0

As an assistant nurse, the woman who became infected had only twice entered the room of the missionary Manuel García Viejo, who died of Ebola, including once after his death, according to Antonio Alemany, a health official from the regional government of Madrid.

 

[Ladylub]

Not sure if you guys have seen it, but racism has been blamed in all of the comment sections of the MSM stories as to why Duncan did not get any experimental medication sooner. Maybe this is why JJ is going to Dallas?

This. Many are comparing the way his treatment is going to the way the Drs and aide worker were treated.


Never mind the fact that any other Ebola patients that have come here to the US have all been done through very controlled settings.

 

[jjenny]

If he's still alive it's due to that hospital and the grace of God.. Guess he should have stayed in Liberia if he wanted better care.. The zmapp is gone.. They've been treated like royalty what else do they want?

He would have been dead in Liberia already. I have no doubt of this whatsoever. Hospital put him on ventilator and dialysis.
He is also getting an experimental drug.
He would have gotten none of this in Liberia.
So, yea, what else do they want?
By the way Mr. Duncan is just in the regular hospital, not one of the four specially equipped for Ebola. I have to worry about his caregivers coming down with Ebola themselves.

 

[jjenny]

The infected nurse is being treated using blood serum from a nun who survived Ebola after contracting the disease in Liberia, the newspaper El Mundo reported.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/08/w...in-seeks-to-prevent-spread-of-virus.html?_r=0

As an assistant nurse, the woman who became infected had only twice entered the room of the missionary Manuel García Viejo, who died of Ebola, including once after his death, according to Antonio Alemany, a health official from the regional government of Madrid.

Entered the room is very misleading. She came in to change the patient's diaper. Which is likely how she got infected, because body waste are full of the virus.

 

[trigger]

They could do a better job of explaining the difference between airborne transmission and droplet, but technically they are correct. It is not airborne.
For airborne, a pathogen needs no vehicle (mucus, blood, water,) in order to spread. It is able to go through the air all on its own - it does not need to be aerosolized into a liquid in order to be spread.
For droplet, a pathogen has to have that liquid (again, muscus, blood, water...) in order to spread. It is not exhaled into the air, but instead sent out into the air via a liquid (aerosol).

With droplet, there is a chance you'd know you were exposed. With airborne, there is no way to know until you show up positive for whatever you were exposed to (say chicken pox, or TB).

I heard back in September that if a person sneezes the particles fall to the ground because they are to heavy to spray into the air.

 

[Footwarrior]

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Look at this video at about the 45 second mark. This doctor picks up his rubber boots, from the bottom, with his bare hands. No way would I do that without being gloved.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/ebola-outbreak/

If you watch the rest of the show, you will see that anyone exiting the hot zone steps into a pan of bleach solution. The suits are also sprayed with bleach before being removed.

I suspect the nurse in Madrid was contaminated while removing the protective gear.

 

[SweetT]

Entered the room is very misleading. She came in to change the patient's diaper. Which is likely how she got infected, because body waste are full of the virus.

Honestly in my opinion a nurse assistant should not have been allowed to change this man's diaper.. Maybe in ordinary circumstances but nurse assistants are really not trained for infectious diseases etc like an rn would be

 

[popsicle]

ABC7News ‏@ABC7News 30s30 seconds ago
#Ebola Update: Officials press to figure out why #Spain anti-infection practices failed as 3 more under #quarantine. http://bit.ly/1uWqT9r

 

[jjenny]

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If you watch the rest of the show, you will see that anyone exiting the hot zone steps into a pan of bleach solution. The suits are also sprayed with bleach before being removed.

I suspect the nurse in Madrid was contaminated while removing the protective gear.

And she was the one who changed the patient's diaper. That is very dangerous because body waste is full of the virus.

 

[Elley Mae]

The nurse had alerted the ministry of a slight fever on 30 September and been checked into a hospital in Alcorcón, on the outskirts of Madrid, with a high fever on Monday. She was transferred to Carlos III hospital early on Tuesday morning.

El Mundo reported that it was the nurse who asked to be tested for Ebola, having to insist repeatedly on being tested before it was done on Monday.

While staff at the Alcorcón hospital were waiting for the test results, the nurse remained in a bed in the emergency room, separated only by curtains from other patients, hospital staff told El Mundo. Their version of events clashes with that of health authorities, who have said the patient was isolated from the first moment.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/ebola-crisis-substandard-equipment-nurse-positive-spain

Apparently no one is on the same page. jmo idk

 

[Ladylub]

Not sure if this has been posted. Last night I read the forum after taking children's cold medicine. ( even children's stuff messes me up)

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/06/dallas-senior-center-workers-quarantined-after-ebola-exposure/

A letter from managers at the Windsor Senior Living Center informed residents and staff that two employees were quarantined, because of their close association with Duncan. The letter went on to stress that there is no risk to anyone at the center

 

[Yoda]

Nigeria contained the outbreak in their country using the same basic techniques that are being used in Dallas. But if you really want the risk to go away, the only solution is to attack the problem at its source in West Africa.

Earlier in this thread, some asked what the U.S. military forces sent by Obama can do to help. Our military has the equipment and skills to set up new treatment facilities in only a day or two. We have logistics experts that can get equipment and supplies where they are needed. We have communications experts that can help organize the search for infected persons. We have transport equipment that can operate in areas with poor or nonexistent roads. And to top it off we have trained personnel and equipment for handing biological hazards.

BBM Nigeria quarantined 200 people. Anyone who had contact or possible contact was quarantined. That is a big difference IMO. The people were contained so that there wasn't a chance of them exposing anyone else if they started exhibiting symptoms.

http://saharareporters.com/2014/08/...ort-harcourt-200-are-quarantined-rivers-state

 

[jjenny]

BBM Nigeria quarantined 200 people. Anyone who had contact or possible contact was quarantined. That is a big difference IMO. The people were contained so that there wasn't a chance of them exposing anyone else if they started exhibiting symptoms.

http://saharareporters.com/2014/08/...ort-harcourt-200-are-quarantined-rivers-state

Exactly. US seems to be a lot less aggressive. Telling Duncan's relative (who rode in the ambulance with him) that she can return to work?
The mind boggles.
And Nigeria actually kept all the contacts at some sort of center. Dallas couldn't even find place to held Duncan's closest contacts, somebody had to donate a home. It's difficult to realize we are worse off than Nigeria. But we sure seem to be.

 

[Yoda]

The nurse had alerted the ministry of a slight fever on 30 September and been checked into a hospital in Alcorcón, on the outskirts of Madrid, with a high fever on Monday. She was transferred to Carlos III hospital early on Tuesday morning.

El Mundo reported that it was the nurse who asked to be tested for Ebola, having to insist repeatedly on being tested before it was done on Monday.

While staff at the Alcorcón hospital were waiting for the test results, the nurse remained in a bed in the emergency room, separated only by curtains from other patients, hospital staff told El Mundo. Their version of events clashes with that of health authorities, who have said the patient was isolated from the first moment.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/ebola-crisis-substandard-equipment-nurse-positive-spain

Apparently no one is on the same page. jmo idk

BBM It appears that there is a mentality of "It wouldn't happen here.", similar to how teenagers think they are invincible. It doesn't help that the CDC and US govt keep perpetuating that mentality. We don't need the other end of the spectrum, hysterics and panic, but we need a serious and firm attitude towards this virus. JMO

 

[jjenny]

BBM It appears that there is a mentality of "It wouldn't happen here.", similar to how teenagers think they are invincible. It doesn't help that the CDC and US govt keep perpetuating that mentality. We don't need the other end of the spectrum, hysterics and panic, but we need a serious and firm attitude towards this disease. JMO

You are right on the money. Their cavalier attitude bothered me from the start.