Ebola outbreak - general thread #8

[nrdsb4]

A screening tool is NOT a diagnostic tool. When a screening tool detects a possible abnormality, the next step is to follow up and either confirm or rule out the suspicion. There is nothing wrong with using this tool as long as they have measures in place to follow up on an abnormal result. There are oral thermometers which have disposable covers which can be used to confirm or rule out a high temp. If the price of a fever is forcible quarantine, it should AUTOMATICALLY follow that an abnormal measurement be confirmed by reliable follow up.

 

[ellemo]

Um, you might want to watch this video from the Johns Hopkins Ebola Crisis Dean's Symposium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAKBtPWGO10

I cannot look at video on my device. What exactly are you objecting to in my statement?

 

[SStarr33]

But it will record a very high fever. So it can be useful

Yeah, but per previous posters, it is not accurate, so it might not.

 

[SStarr33]

I cannot look at video on my device. What exactly are you objecting to in my statement?

He basically says that we know VERY little about ebola.

ETA He has reviewed 900 papers on ebola, 700 in great detail.

 

[CuriousGuy]

This thread has become unreadable. There should be a thread for us uneducated rubes to discuss our concerns without being shouted down .

 

[Lyra500]

Hickox developed a fever at the airport, but does she still have it? I wouldn't think so based on her activities. Have people with ebola developed a fever that then went away? I haven't heard of that, but perhaps I missed it. From what I've read, the symptoms develop rapidly once they appear, not that they appear and then disappear. And, didn't she already test negative?

As for Dr. Spencer, has anyone in the public contracted the disease from him? I haven't heard of that, but perhaps I missed it. I don't think he should've been in public places after he developed fatigue, but he did act responsibly as soon as he developed a fever.

No of course they haven't. But why let the facts and common sense get in the way of a witch hunt.

 

[nrdsb4]

This thread has become unreadable. There should be a thread for us uneducated rubes to discuss our concerns without being shouted down .

No one is shouting. This forum is founded upon the principle of constant feedback. As long as no one is violating TOS, everyone is free to state their opinion, and every possible POV is has been expressed, from what I can see.

 

[SStarr33]

This thread has become unreadable. There should be a thread for us uneducated rubes to discuss our concerns without being shouted down .

I have taken advantage of the ignore feature. It's beautiful.

 

[SStarr33]

Helsinki hospital readies for possible Ebola patient

http://yle.fi/uutiset/helsinki_hospital_readies_for_possible_ebola_patient/7588129

 

[jjenny]

We do not need to throw unlimited resources at the disease. Nigeria and Senegal did not do that and health care workers stopped the spread of the disease in those countries.

Ebola may be new here, but it is not an unknown disease. Doctors, epidemiologists, scientists have studied the disease and treated people with the disease for decades. We know how it is transmitted. It is worth noting that several people in the US have been treated for the disease and the only two people who contracted Ebola in this country were health care workers at a hospital that did not follow established guidelines. The man in Dallas who died of Ebola was home and with symptoms and no one from his family contracted the disease.

In Nigeria, about 40 % of those infected died.

 

[jjenny]

He basically says that we know VERY little about ebola.

ETA He has reviewed 900 papers on ebola, 700 in great detail.

He is a smart man. He said "the more I learn the less I know."

 

[SStarr33]

Maine: No deal with nurse in Ebola controversy

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/30/health/us-ebola/index.html

 

[BingoBongo]

What if she gets hit by a car, falls, etc?

Any EMT (or private individual) who comes to her aide may encounter blood, and more.

They may, or may not, know who she is, nor that there is the potential of her fluids containing the ebola virus.

She is taking risks that are not acceptable.

As a nurse, she took an oath to do no harm, she needs to be acutely aware of that, particularly now.

As I understand it, she is being paid during the issued quarantine time so there is no loss of income, nor benefits. 21 days is an infinitesimal time period in this young woman's life, if she is not willing to give that much up for the good of society, there is more at stake (in her mind) than infection.

I smell money and/or a huge narcissistic and self-serving aroma. She lawyered-up pretty quickly, and I don't know if she sought out a lawyer, or they her...but someone is on the money trail.

 

[jjenny]

Wow, what a dastardly deed, to work to improve things, and to learn from mistakes. That's a sure sign that they must be up to no good!

I said nothing of the sort. My point is, we don't know a lot about Ebola. So claims such "asymptomatic people are not infectious" should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[jjenny]

He basically says that we know VERY little about ebola.

ETA He has reviewed 900 papers on ebola, 700 in great detail.

He thinks it will be an endemic situation ( I think he means in Africa, because he thinks it's likely to spread to the rest of Africa) and we need a vaccine. He also said we are focusing heavily on fever. But some patients might not have a fever.

 

[faw720]

Maine: No deal with nurse in Ebola controversy

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/30/health/us-ebola/index.html

Ok, so what happens now?? If they arrest her they're going to have to touch her, haul her off to jail in their squad car, & house her in their jail. What are they going to do with all the people that come in contact with her during that process? If they shoot her they're gonna be in big time trouble. So now what???????

I'm not necessarily saying that I agree with what she's done, but she has most certainly put officials in a difficult position.

 

[BingoBongo]

Ok, so what happens now?? If they arrest her they're going to have to touch her, haul her off to jail in their squad car, & house her in their jail. What are they going to do with all the people that come in contact with her during that process? If they shoot her they're gonna be in big time trouble. So now what???????

I'm not necessarily saying that I agree with what she's done, but she has most certainly put officials in a difficult position.

I am fairly sure they are thinking about that, and planning for protection and limited contact, if needed. Why on earth would they shoot her?

 

[SteveS]

He thinks it will be an endemic situation ( I think he means in Africa, because he thinks it's likely to spread to the rest of Africa) and we need a vaccine. He also said we are focusing heavily on fever. But some patients might not have a fever.

Yep, better hurry up and raise the panic level to get those donations, before this thing runs its course on its own. The history of the disease shows that, in the past, this thing flares up and then goes away. The current stats show it may have ALREADY peaked.

 

[BingoBongo]

And many of them have already admitted that what they "thought" they knew, isn't accurate.

 

[BingoBongo]

Yep, better hurry up and raise the panic level to get those donations, before this thing runs its course on its own. The history of the disease shows that, in the past, this thing flares up and then goes away. The current stats show it may have ALREADY peaked.

In the past, ebola 'burnt out' due to limited exposure to large populations. That is not the case this time. And current stats do nothing of the sort.