Estate of Rebecca Zahau et al v. Shacknai et al

[Salem]

Hey Guys - you all know full well that we don't do social media wars. If you read other places, that's fine. We don't care. BUT don't bring it here.

My patience is thin with this kind of stuff. TO's are going to be handed out left and right. There is a lot of posting outside TOS here and it needs to stop. You all know the rules and if you don't, you can find them right here: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=159"]The Rules - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Salem

 

[bourne]

Nina's voluntarily submitted fingerprints. She was not "processed" as a criminal that you keep implying. GMAB.

:floorlaugh: If anyone was accusing Nina (and Adam and XZ) of being processed as a criminal, it was you by your own post above. It was YOUR post #374 that clearly stated the following and I'm quoting you VERBATIM, in YOUR EXACT WORDS:

FYI--A person isn't fingerprinted unless they are charged.<modsnip>

JMO

I on the other hand NEVER stated such an absurdity. Read my posts again. I said the EXACT OPPOSITE. I stated very clearly that just because a person is fingerprinted does NOT mean they are "charged" with anything.

In fact, it has ALWAYS been my contention that SDLE had NEVER properly investigated Shacknais/Romanos as POIs or suspects. So no way no how would I state or imply or any other way you interpret it, give the false impression that Nina or anyone else was processed as a "criminal" in the Rebecca Zahau case! That makes ZERO SENSE given my belief that LE dropped the ball on Rebecca's death by NOT pursuing the murder angle. SMH

 

[MaybeNotToday]

:floorlaugh: If anyone was accusing Nina (and Adam and XZ) of being processed as a criminal, it was you by your own post above. It was YOUR post #374 that clearly stated the following and I'm quoting you VERBATIM, in YOUR EXACT WORDS:



I on the other hand NEVER stated such an absurdity. Read my posts again. I said the EXACT OPPOSITE. I stated very clearly that just because a person is fingerprinted does NOT mean they are "charged" with anything.

In fact, it has ALWAYS been my contention that SDLE had NEVER properly investigated Shacknais/Romanos as POIs or suspects. So no way no how would I state or imply or any other way you interpret it, give the false impression that Nina or anyone else was processed as a "criminal" in the Rebecca Zahau case! That makes ZERO SENSE given my belief that LE dropped the ball on Rebecca's death by NOT pursuing the murder angle. SMH

Can you give any insight about why the Zahaus are not suing SDLE? It seems logical to me if they do not agree with the investigative findings? What about the medical examiner for leaving the body out too long? That has bothered me more than anything (since I believe it was a suicide)

 

[screecher]

^^^ Well, there are 50 DOEs. Perhaps SDLE will be named as more info (or lack of) is/not produced?

 

[*Lash*]

Can you give any insight about why the Zahaus are not suing SDLE? It seems logical to me if they do not agree with the investigative findings? What about the medical examiner for leaving the body out too long? That has bothered me more than anything (since I believe it was a suicide)

The Zahau's are suing Sheriff Gore, ME Wagner and San Diego County. They are named defendants in a suit brought forth in May of this year. It was filed before this suit.

Snip - SAN DIEGO (CNS) - Nearly two years after her death, the family and estate of Rebecca Zahau filed a lawsuit Wednesday against San Diego County authorities, seeking records and other evidence in their quest to prove that the Coronado woman died as a result of a homicide and not suicide, as investigators concluded.

An attorney for the Zahau family, Marty Rudoy, said the suit was filed against San Diego County, Sheriff Bill Gore and Medical Examiner Dr. Glenn Wagner "to get further information regarding the death of Rebecca Zahau, so that we can bring closure and peace to the Zahau family."

http://www.cbs8.com/story/22189885/...eriff-bill-gore-seeking-evidence-in-her-death

Suit -
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33629&d=1368154714

 

[MyBelle]

The Zahau's are suing Sheriff Gore, ME Wagner and San Diego County. They are named defendants in a suit brought forth in May of this year. It was filed before this suit.

Snip - SAN DIEGO (CNS) - Nearly two years after her death, the family and estate of Rebecca Zahau filed a lawsuit Wednesday against San Diego County authorities, seeking records and other evidence in their quest to prove that the Coronado woman died as a result of a homicide and not suicide, as investigators concluded.

An attorney for the Zahau family, Marty Rudoy, said the suit was filed against San Diego County, Sheriff Bill Gore and Medical Examiner Dr. Glenn Wagner "to get further information regarding the death of Rebecca Zahau, so that we can bring closure and peace to the Zahau family."

http://www.cbs8.com/story/22189885/...eriff-bill-gore-seeking-evidence-in-her-death

Suit -
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33629&d=1368154714

Wow. Lawsuits filed all over jurisdictions but none seem to have an traction. They seem to serve only publicity purposes.

JMO

 

[K_Z]

Wow. Lawsuits filed all over jurisdictions but none seem to have an traction. They seem to serve only publicity purposes.

JMO

The lawsuits are clearly following the timeframes specified by law. Neither of the civil suits has lost any traction. They are both moving forward at this time, and both have a timetable that is prescribed by law.

I'm very glad that both suits are being publicized!

And BTW, I was interested in your answer to a question about your post # 393:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9874558&postcount=393"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Estate of Rebecca Zahau et al v. Shacknai et al[/ame]

In the Michelle Young murder investigation, LE fingerprinted over 50 friends and family who they knew had recently been in the house...for the same reason Nina was fingerprinted so what exactly is your point?

(Snipped and BBM)

I'm curious. How do you know that Nina was recently in the mansion before Rebecca's (IMO) murder? Exactly how recent to Rebecca's death was Nina there, from your knowledge? Wow-- that would be quite a bombshell, if true and substantiated!

 

[MyBelle]

The lawsuits are clearly following the timeframes specified by law. Neither of the civil suits has lost any traction. They are both moving forward at this time, and both have a timetable that is prescribed by law.

I'm very glad that both suits are being publicized!

And BTW, I was interested in your answer to a question about your post # 393:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Estate of Rebecca Zahau et al v. Shacknai et al



(Snipped and BBM)

I'm curious. How do you know that Nina was recently in the mansion before Rebecca's (IMO) murder? Exactly how recent to Rebecca's death was Nina there, from your knowledge? Wow-- that would be quite a bombshell, if true and substantiated!

I've not seen much publicity about the lawsuits in the months that have followed their filing. I do find the delay in serving the notices to be highly unusual.

I never said Nina was IN the mansion. I compared it to the Michelle Young case. Michelle's body was found inside her home. Rebecca's body was found outside and Nina admitted she had been outside the home. I think it is pretty standard procedure for LE to want to rule out those that LE know was at the scene.

JMO

 

[*Lash*]

The lawsuits provide the lawyers filing them with publicity. Dina certainly had a right to respond when the media asked her about the lawsuits. I've seen no media coverage that indicates the media is supportive of the plaintiffs. The public empathy is usually with the family of a dead child, not with a plaintiff trying to extract money from them.

JMO

The WDS is not about the alleged murder of Max, the son of a named defendant Dina Shacknai. The WDS is about the loss of Rebecca Zahau. Rebecca is also someones dead child, a sister and an aunt.

The week the WDS was filed the news hit almost every national publication and even went international. The WDS was also in the top 3 google search for well over a week.

 

[MyBelle]

The WDS is not about the alleged murder of Max, the son of a named defendant Dina Shacknai. The WDS is about the loss of Rebecca Zahau. Rebecca is also someones dead child, a sister and an aunt.

The week the WDS was filed the news hit almost every national publication and even went international. The WDS was also in the top 3 google search for well over a week.

The lawsuit is about money. And after the week it was filed, there has been little publicity after Dina publicly expressed her opinion about it. I think the media sentiment is with the dead child and his family, not with a suicide victim's family who have decided to blame the child's mother.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

You know for some people there's just nothing the Zahau's can do right. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. With one exception, the Zahau's give up their fight for truth and accept the autopsy findings. Until the WDS, the Zahau family remained respectful and never named names. They even supported reopening Maxie's investigation. In my opinion, the Zahau's have shown Dina much more respect than she has shown them.

That's not entirely accurate. The family loudly expressed very negative opinions of the various law enforcement agencies and accused them of favoritism to the point Jonah's lawyer sent their lawyer a cease and desist letter.

If I believed my child was murdered, I'd not be too worried about opinions of people I've never met but I also would not let them libel my character.

JMO

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15406681/shacknai-sends-cease-and-desist-letter-to-zahau-family-attorney

 

[*Lash*]

The lawsuit is about money. And after the week it was filed, there has been little publicity after Dina publicly expressed her opinion about it. I think the media sentiment is with the dead child and his family, not with a suicide victim's family who have decided to blame the child's mother.

JMO

This is an example of one of the many reasons I hope the Zahau's do not settle. In my opinion, this type of opinion is all that will be left if a settlement is accepted.

 

[MyBelle]

This is an example of one of the many reasons I hope the Zahau's do not settle. In my opinion, this type of opinion is all that will be left if a settlement is accepted.

In a lawsuit that has no real evidence to support the allegations, there is no reason for any of the defendants to try to settle.

JMO

 

[Zinn]

I've not seen much publicity about the lawsuits in the months that have followed their filing. I do find the delay in serving the notices to be highly unusual.

I never said Nina was IN the mansion. I compared it to the Michelle Young case. Michelle's body was found inside her home. Rebecca's body was found outside and Nina admitted she had been outside the home. I think it is pretty standard procedure for LE to want to rule out those that LE know was at the scene.

JMO

IIRC, you equated NR's actions to those fingerprinted in the Michelle Young case because they had recently been inside the home. If that's not what you meant when you used that wording, I will just add that Rebecca's body was found in the courtyard. NR stated she only went as far as the front gate, looked through the gate, and did not touch the gate. NR claimed to visit the front of the home, outside of the home, much like a postman would, or the dog care person, or a newspaper delivery person. I don't think it's reasonable to believe LE fingerprinted every person who recently walked near the front of the home to rule them out somehow.

All of the above is just my opinion.

 

[MyBelle]

IIRC, you equated NR's actions to those fingerprinted in the Michelle Young case because they had recently been inside the home. If that's not what you meant when you used that wording, I will just add that Rebecca's body was found in the courtyard. NR stated she only went as far as the front gate, looked through the gate, and did not touch the gate. NR claimed to visit the front of the home, outside of the home, much like a postman would, or the dog care person, or a newspaper delivery person. I don't think it's reasonable to believe LE fingerprinted every person who recently walked near the front of the home to rule them out somehow.

All of the above is just my opinion.

I never suggested LE fingerprinted "every person who recently walked near the front of the home." Please read my posts more carefully.

I responded to a post that noted that the investigators told Nina the reason they wanted her fingerprints. All I did was point out that investigators did the same thing in the Michelle Young investigation. NR never stated she did not touch the gate. LE was doing their job whether you or I agree or not.

JMO

 

[kittychi]

That's not entirely accurate. The family loudly expressed very negative opinions of the various law enforcement agencies and accused them of favoritism to the point Jonah's lawyer sent their lawyer a cease and desist letter.

If I believed my child was murdered, I'd not be too worried about opinions of people I've never met but I also would not let them libel my character.

JMO

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15406681/shacknai-sends-cease-and-desist-letter-to-zahau-family-attorney

Mrs. Zahau believes her child was murdered. People she has never met libel her dead daughter's character at every turn. As far as I know, her attorney has not put out a cease and desist letter, though it would be appropriate.

Do you not see the irony in your statement?

 

[Zinn]

I never suggested LE fingerprinted "every person who recently walked near the front of the home." Please read my posts more carefully.

I responded to a post that noted that the investigators told Nina the reason they wanted her fingerprints. All I did was point out that investigators did the same thing in the Michelle Young investigation. NR never stated she did not touch the gate. LE was doing their job whether you or I agree or not.

JMO

So when you stated NR was fingerprinted for the same reason Michelle Young's relatives were fingerprinted (because they were recently inside her home) you didn't mean NR was inside the home, you just meant NR was "at the scene," but you didn't mean at the scene in front of the house? So then why do you feel they fingerprinted NR and took a hair sample and her brand new yoga pants? No amount of careful reading is answering that question for me.

Also, please note that NR stated in an audio interview that she did not touch the gate. She was very detailed and specific about it. You may want to listen to the full interview.

All of the above is just my opinion.

 

[bourne]

I responded to a post that noted that the investigators told Nina the reason they wanted her fingerprints. All I did was point out that investigators did the same thing in the Michelle Young investigation. NR never stated she did not touch the gate. LE was doing their job whether you or I agree or not.

JMO

BBM No, incorrect information AGAIN.

Nina clearly states in the CBS8 audio interview:
"There's a gate that goes to the backyard. I didn't touch the gate. I didn't try to open the gate in any way. I just kind of tried to look through."

Her statements are also transcribed verbatim in the same article. Listen to the audiotape and read the article with your eyes wide open and try not to post misinformation.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths

 

[bourne]

Can you give any insight about why the Zahaus are not suing SDLE? It seems logical to me if they do not agree with the investigative findings? What about the medical examiner for leaving the body out too long? That has bothered me more than anything (since I believe it was a suicide)

I can't speak for the Zahaus. I don't work for them nor am I related to them. But I can give you my educated opinion why the SDLE has not been directly named as a defendant in the WDS.

A wrongful death suit is where plaintiffs charge defendants of contributing to the DEATH of someone. Unless you have some proof that SDLE was involved in Rebecca's murder, I doubt you can sue them in a WDS.

Yes, the ME left Rebecca's nude body uncovered and eroded in the elements for over 13 plus hours. And yes, SDLE did not do a thorough job in investigating Rebecca's murder. But did the ME and SDLE have a hand in Rebecca's murder? I don't believe so. Hey, but I could be wrong. <modsnip>

 

[MaybeNotToday]

I can't speak for the Zahaus. I don't work for them nor am I related to them. But I can give you my educated opinion why the SDLE has not been directly named as a defendant in the WDS.

A wrongful death suit is where plaintiffs charge defendants of contributing to the DEATH of someone. Unless you have some proof that SDLE was involved in Rebecca's murder, I doubt you can sue them in a WDS.

Yes, the ME left Rebecca's nude body uncovered and eroded in the elements for over 13 plus hours. And yes, SDLE did not do a thorough job in investigating Rebecca's murder. But did the ME and SDLE have a hand in Rebecca's murder? I don't believe so. Hey, but I could be wrong. <modsnip>

<modsnip>

If I didn't believe in the investigative findings, I would focus on THAT lawsuit before accusing 53 (3+50 Does) of murder.

And furthermore, I would heavily go after the ME for the blatant disregard to RZ's body.