Estate of Rebecca Zahau et al v. Shacknai et al

[MissJ]

Apparently you are not aware that "cardiac arrest" absolutely is the same as no pulse. I do know the difference and I'm pretty sure Dr. Peterson does, too.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cardiac+arrest
cardiac arrest

(Medicine) failure of the pumping action of the heart, resulting in loss of consciousness and absence of pulse and breathing: a medical emergency requiring immediate resuscitative treatment

Missed the entire point. MS was without a pulse for multiple minutes then he was revived and had posturing. All this means brain damage.

 

[Angelonline]

Please refrain from bickering. Attack the POST not the POSTER.
TIA

 

[K_Z]

What? No, I don't have any evidence of SDLE murdering Rebecca.
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If I didn't believe in the investigative findings, I would focus on THAT lawsuit before accusing 53 (3+50 Does) of murder.

And furthermore, I would heavily go after the ME for the blatant disregard to RZ's body.

BBM for focus .

There is no requirement that someone "only" have one lawsuit at a time. The Zahaus had to file any wrongful death lawsuit within the statute of limitations, which they did, to preserve the SOL. They followed the law for filing the wrongful death suit.

The civil suit they filed against San Diego et al was likely seeking information that they needed to be able to word their WDS more robustly. (Just as Dina sued the county to obtain Max's autopsy photos in her efforts to have Max's case reopened.) Since the Zahaus San Diego lawsuit had not yet produced what they were seeking, and ordinary channels for having Rebecca's property returned to them were failing, I don't think they had any choices left. They had to file within the SOL, and they used the 50 Does properly as co-defendants, IMO.

It is not the Zahaus fault that the San Diego lawsuit is taking so long to wind its way thru the courts-- they have no control over that.

 

[MyBelle]

So when you stated NR was fingerprinted for the same reason Michelle Young's relatives were fingerprinted (because they were recently inside her home) you didn't mean NR was inside the home, you just meant NR was "at the scene," but you didn't mean at the scene in front of the house? So then why do you feel they fingerprinted NR and took a hair sample and her brand new yoga pants? No amount of careful reading is answering that question for me.

Also, please note that NR stated in an audio interview that she did not touch the gate. She was very detailed and specific about it. You may want to listen to the full interview.

All of the above is just my opinion.

BBM. Just because Nina states something doesn't mean LE will automatically believe her. She placed herself at the scene therefore LE fingerprinted her and told her why they were doing so. LE have never said they found her prints anywhere.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

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If I didn't believe in the investigative findings, I would focus on THAT lawsuit before accusing 53 (3+50 Does) of murder.

And furthermore, I would heavily go after the ME for the blatant disregard to RZ's body.

I don't believe there is any legal basis for doing so because the body wasn't in public view. I doubt they realized there would be ghouls taking photos from the air.

JMO

 

[MaybeNotToday]

Aha! I actually didn't think of that. I have just heard over and over about the leaving of the body out so as to compromise evidence. It's heavily relied on when listing the many perceived injustices.

 

[Zinn]

BBM. Just because Nina states something doesn't mean LE will automatically believe her. She placed herself at the scene therefore LE fingerprinted her and told her why they were doing so. LE have never said they found her prints anywhere.

JMO

So when you stated NR never said she did not touch the gate, you were simply stating that you personally don't believe her statement? And you are concluding LE may not have believed her either? If that is what you are saying, I can accept that. Your point of view makes more sense to me now. Thank you for elaborating.

All of the above is just my opinion.

 

[MyBelle]

So when you stated NR never said she did not touch the gate, you were simply stating that you personally don't believe her statement? And you are concluding LE may not have believed her either? If that is what you are saying, I can accept that. Your point of view makes more sense to me now. Thank you for elaborating.

All of the above is just my opinion.

I never have heard the Sheriff state what Nina specifically said.

I never have heard the Sheriff state Nina lied.

My point of view is that I don't accuse anyone of murder without knowing there is compelling evidence against them.

JMO

 

[Zinn]

I never suggested LE fingerprinted "every person who recently walked near the front of the home." Please read my posts more carefully.

I responded to a post that noted that the investigators told Nina the reason they wanted her fingerprints. All I did was point out that investigators did the same thing in the Michelle Young investigation. NR never stated she did not touch the gate. LE was doing their job whether you or I agree or not.

JMO

BBM.

If you haven't heard NR's audio interview, I would encourage you to listen to it. It is very lengthy and detailed. In her interview, she addresses the actions she did and did not take in relation to the gate. I have no idea if she's being truthful. You can choose to believe her or not.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM.

If you haven't heard NR's audio interview, I would encourage you to listen to it. It is very lengthy and detailed. In her interview, she addresses the actions she did and did not take in relation to the gate. I have no idea if she's being truthful. You can choose to believe her or not.

She hasn't been charged with a crime. All that matters now is that LE believed her.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

She hasn't been charged with a crime. All that matters now is that LE believed her.

JMO

Since she's now named in the WD lawsuit, it will soon matter very much what the judge and jury believe. If I were in her shoes, I'd be thinking long and hard about how I plan to defend myself before a judge that doesn't tolerate courtroom theatrics, media manipulation or passive-aggressive behavior.

 

[MyBelle]

Since she's now named in the WD lawsuit, it will soon matter very much what the judge and jury believe. If I were in her shoes, I'd be thinking long and hard about how I plan to defend myself before a judge that doesn't tolerate courtroom theatrics, media manipulation or passive-aggressive behavior.

I think the Judge does require evidence rather than baseless accusations before he will move a case forward. If there is evidence Nina in any way caused RZ's death, please link it. Thanks.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

I think the Judge does require evidence rather than baseless accusations before he will move a case forward. If there is evidence Nina in any way caused RZ's death, please link it. Thanks.

JMO

And that's what the judge will be getting when the attorneys depose all the parties named in the lawsuit, even SDSO.

I also left a comment in another thread about the vast files of data the FBI has access to in PRISM, a government program that has been gathering up all data and content on American's phone calls, internet activity, texts, etc. since 2007-2008. All that information that SDSO never looked for or said they couldn't retrieve is in a computer file at PRISM.

One of the stated purposes of the WD lawsuit is to access evidence that has been hidden from the victim's family. They will get it and it may change the way RZ's death is viewed by LE. If they come upon evidence of wrongdoing by anyone related to SDSO, it's also possible another branch of LE could be asked to take over the case and re-investigate.

 

[MyBelle]

And that's what the judge will be getting when the attorneys depose all the parties named in the lawsuit, even SDSO.

I also left a comment in another thread about the vast files of data the FBI has access to in PRISM, a government program that has been gathering up all data and content on American's phone calls, internet activity, texts, etc. since 2007-2008. All that information that SDSO never looked for or said they couldn't retrieve is in a computer file at PRISM.

One of the stated purposes of the WD lawsuit is to access evidence that has been hidden from the victim's family. They will get it and it may change the way RZ's death is viewed by LE. If they come upon evidence of wrongdoing by anyone related to SDSO, it's also possible another branch of LE could be asked to take over the case and re-investigate.

I doubt this case moves forward other than perhaps a counterclaim.

With all due respect, I have enough personal experience in civil lawsuits to know judges don't allow fishing expeditions into national security files.

JMO

 

[MaybeNotToday]

I doubt this case moves forward other than perhaps a counterclaim.

With all due respect, I have enough personal experience in civil lawsuits to know judges don't allow fishing expeditions into national security files.

JMO

Can you imagine what a cluster that would be if everyone could access NSA files for their own lawsuit purposes?

 

[Betty P]

Can you imagine what a cluster that would be if everyone could access NSA files for their own lawsuit purposes?

We're talking about FBI files. The FBI has been gathering pretty much the same metadata as the NSA.

FBI files can be used by the FBI to investigate domestic criminal activity. For instance, its used all the time to track, arrest and convict drug dealers, etc. They would certainly be able to retrieve it for a murder investigation.

Where do you think the FBI gets this kind of data when it's investigating all of the crimes we see in this forum?

Last I checked, all they needed was probable cause. If you've been following the Snowden case for the last month, you'll learn all these little details. For this case, they wouldn't need the NSA data or FISA court.

I would also think the FBI would be very interested in helping out any investigation that might be launched into a possibly corrupt attorney/former DA, particularly in a part of the country known for many problems with illegal immigration and drug smuggling.

MOO.

 

[Betty P]

Can you imagine what a cluster that would be if everyone could access NSA files for their own lawsuit purposes?

My apologies, I'll bold it for you:

FBI FILES, not NSA.


:facepalm: :floorlaugh:

 

[kittychi]

We're talking about FBI files. The FBI has been gathering pretty much the same metadata as the NSA.

FBI files can be used by the FBI to investigate domestic criminal activity. For instance, its used all the time to track, arrest and convict drug dealers, etc. They would certainly be able to retrieve it for a murder investigation.

Where do you think the FBI gets this kind of data when it's investigating all of the crimes we see in this forum?

Last I checked, all they needed was probable cause. If you've been following the Snowden case for the last month, you'll learn all these little details. For this case, they wouldn't need the NSA data or FISA court.

I would also think the FBI would be very interested in helping out any investigation that might be launched into a possibly corrupt attorney/former DA, particularly in a part of the country known for many problems with illegal immigration and drug smuggling.

MOO.

Except remember that Sheriff Gore is from the FBI, IMO it is likely that he is still scratching backs and having his scratched by them.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

We're talking about FBI files. The FBI has been gathering pretty much the same metadata as the NSA.

FBI files can be used by the FBI to investigate domestic criminal activity. For instance, its used all the time to track, arrest and convict drug dealers, etc. They would certainly be able to retrieve it for a murder investigation.

Where do you think the FBI gets this kind of data when it's investigating all of the crimes we see in this forum?

Last I checked, all they needed was probable cause. If you've been following the Snowden case for the last month, you'll learn all these little details. For this case, they wouldn't need the NSA data or FISA court.

I would also think the FBI would be very interested in helping out any investigation that might be launched into a possibly corrupt attorney/former DA, particularly in a part of the country known for many problems with illegal immigration and drug smuggling.

MOO.

In civil lawsuits?

 

[MaybeNotToday]

My apologies, I'll bold it for you:

FBI FILES, not NSA.


:facepalm: :floorlaugh:

I'm sorry, I thought you stated NSA files up thread