Estate of Rebecca Zahau et al v. Shacknai et al

[Betty P]

I'm sorry, I thought you stated NSA files up thread

No problem. My comment above mentioned the NSA and FBI share this database. The FBI uses it all the time when cooperating with other LE agencies on domestic crimes. The big scandal recently was because the FBI wasn't letting the public know just how much and what kind of data they were gathering and storing.

 

[Betty P]

Except remember that Sheriff Gore is from the FBI, IMO it is likely that he is still scratching backs and having his scratched by them.

I'm not so sure, especially when its a high profile case such as this one. I recall thinking it unusual re the SDSO's initial investigation. With his connections, one would think Sheriff Gore could have gotten more electronic evidence than he did.

 

[MyBelle]

We're talking about FBI files. The FBI has been gathering pretty much the same metadata as the NSA.

FBI files can be used by the FBI to investigate domestic criminal activity. For instance, its used all the time to track, arrest and convict drug dealers, etc. They would certainly be able to retrieve it for a murder investigation.

Where do you think the FBI gets this kind of data when it's investigating all of the crimes we see in this forum?

Last I checked, all they needed was probable cause. If you've been following the Snowden case for the last month, you'll learn all these little details. For this case, they wouldn't need the NSA data or FISA court.

I would also think the FBI would be very interested in helping out any investigation that might be launched into a possibly corrupt attorney/former DA, particularly in a part of the country known for many problems with illegal immigration and drug smuggling.

MOO.

There is no criminal investigation. I certainly don't share your opinion that the FBI is interested in supporting a plaintiff in a civil action who has not only publicly derided an investigation conducted by a former FBI agent, Sheriff Gore but who also publicly accused a number of law enforcement agencies of playing favorites with a dead child's wealthy father.


http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011...ttorney-warns-zahau-family-lawyer-/all/?print

..what is most concerning are recent false public statements you have made that Mr. Shacknai, because of his business success, has somehow improperly influenced the investigations and conclusions of four different, and, independent California law enforcement agencies. You have further made public comments that these agencies have applied a different standard in conducting their investigations because of Mr. Shacknai’s wealth.


JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Can you imagine what a cluster that would be if everyone could access NSA files for their own lawsuit purposes?

Which is why its not even a remote possibility. The FBI can't even access personal data without a court's permission.

JMO

 

[bourne]

I'm so looking forward for the Zahaus' wrongful death suit to proceed. Can't wait to see the defendants eat their dirty lies and show their murdering hearts in court.

 

[Betty P]

Which is why its not even a remote possibility. The FBI can't even access personal data without a court's permission.

JMO

Yes, they can, as part of a criminal investigation. All they need is a probable cause statement from the investigating agency.

In the legal thread here, AZ lawyer stated that any information that is discovered during the deposition or discovery phase of the civil suit could be used to launch a criminal investigation. It would be turned over to LE to investigate. Given this is such a high profile case, local LE's refusal to pursue evidence would raise many red flags at other levels of the justice system.

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[screecher]

Anyone watching "The Good Wife"?

Bwahahaha :floorlaugh:

It's about Americans 'private' data, numbers and EVERYTHING the gov has stolen,

Brawahahaha! :floorlaugh:

 

[screecher]

And about social media (the thread K_Z started).

I'm thinking the writers for the show has been reading the posts here!

 

[kittychi]

I'm not so sure, especially when its a high profile case such as this one. I recall thinking it unusual re the SDSO's initial investigation. With his connections, one would think Sheriff Gore could have gotten more electronic evidence than he did.

Call me skeptical, but maybe he didn't want it or chose not to use it.

 

[Betty P]

Anyone watching "The Good Wife"?

Bwahahaha :floorlaugh:

It's about Americans 'private' data, numbers and EVERYTHING the gov has stolen,

Brawahahaha! :floorlaugh:

Interesting. I've never watched the show but will have to check it out.

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, they can, as part of a criminal investigation. All they need is a probable cause statement from the investigating agency.

In the legal thread here, AZ lawyer stated that any information that is discovered during the deposition or discovery phase of the civil suit could be used to launch a criminal investigation. It would be turned over to LE to investigate. Given this is such a high profile case, local LE's refusal to pursue evidence would raise many red flags at other levels of the justice system.

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With all due respect, a judge makes a decision about probable cause, not the agency requesting it. Which is what I posted.

There is no criminal investigation currently. Wishing it so doesn't make it true.

JMO

 

[*Lash*]

There may not be a criminal investigation by LE. However, it is obvious with two pending lawsuits the Zahau attorneys are investigating or fishing, whatever word one chooses to use.

 

[screecher]

Can you imagine what a cluster that would be if everyone could access NSA files for their own lawsuit purposes?

Yeah, I could imagine the cluster if anyone and everyone was able to access one's files. And you know what?

This is why Dina Romano's 'Maxie's Law' will never see fruition. Can you imagine all the many bitter, jealous and hateful ex's wanting to access the new significant others info? :scared:

 

[Betty P]

With all due respect, a judge makes a decision about probable cause, not the agency requesting it. Which is what I posted.

There is no criminal investigation currently. Wishing it so doesn't make it true.

JMO

Exactly, just as I posted in my previous comments. Bottom line, criminal investigations have access to much more data than was previously known by the public. LE has had the ability to reach further back into historical data to investigate criminals and bring them to justice.

The legal system for investigating crimes remains the same. Just as they've done for centuries, judges review and approve probable cause statements, subpoenas and warrants to investigate crimes. None of that changes, but the amount of information that can be searched is much more comprehensive and detailed.

The Zahau family's WDS is likely to raise new questions, discover more investigation "gaps" and deficiencies and possibly recover new evidence. There's plenty of reason to believe RZ's family and the judicial system will learn a great deal more about the crime than ever before.

ETA: Someone mentioned something about a hacker in this investigation. I've never heard of such a thing, it sounds like another silly rumor. Does anyone have a link?

 

[MyBelle]

Yeah, I could imagine the cluster if anyone and everyone was able to access one's files. And you know what?

This is why Dina Romano's 'Maxie's Law' will never see fruition. Can you imagine all the many bitter, jealous and hateful ex's wanting to access the new significant others info? :scared:

The law would not enable the access just anyone's files. I think it is ridiculous to suggest that if a parent wants to know the background of a caregiver for their child, then that makes them bitter, jealous and hateful. Would you allow a complete stranger to care for your child?

Where is your evidence that Dina was ever bitter, jealous and hateful of RZ? Your allegations should at least be linked.

I do not agree with your opinion that AZ legislators are going to take a stand against Max.

JMO

 

[MaybeNotToday]

Yeah, I could imagine the cluster if anyone and everyone was able to access one's files. And you know what?

This is why Dina Romano's 'Maxie's Law' will never see fruition. Can you imagine all the many bitter, jealous and hateful ex's wanting to access the new significant others info? :scared:

I agree - That would not be good. Would Maxie Law let us have access to govt files?

 

[time]

Estate of Rebecca Zahau et al v. Shacknai et al

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/casdce/3:2013cv01624/419200/


Plaintiffs: Estate of Rebecca Zahau , Estate of Robert Zahau , Mary Zahau-Leohner and Pari Z. Zahau

Defendants: Adam Shacknai, Dina Shacknai, Nina Romano and Does 1 through 50, inclusive

Case Number: 3:2013cv01624
Filed: July 12, 2013

Court: California Southern District Court
Office: San Diego Office
County: San Diego
Presiding Judge: Thomas J. Whelan
Referring Judge: Nita L. Stormes

Nature of Suit: Torts - Injury - Other Personal Injury
Cause: 28:1332 Diversity-Personal Injury
Jurisdiction: Diversity
Jury Demanded By: Plaintiff


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THANK YOU, Quester!!!

I'm not sure if this recent activity has been posted and please excuse me if it has (my mom has been in the hospital since Labor Day):

3:13-cv-01624-W-NLS
Estate of Rebecca Zahau et al v. Shacknai et al
Thomas J. Whelan, presiding
Nita L. Stormes, referral
Date filed: 07/12/2013
Date of last filing: 10/10/2013


History

4 Filed & Entered: 10/10/2013
Motion to Dismiss/Lack of Jurisdiction Docket Text: MOTION to Dismiss for Lack of Jurisdiction , MOTION to Dismiss for Failure to State a Claim , MOTION for More Definite Statement , MOTION to Strike [1] Complaint, by Nina Romano. (Attachments: # (1) Memo of Points and Authorities, # (2) Proof of Service)(Wessel, Darin)Attorney Darin Lee Wessel added to party Nina Romano(pty:dft)(leh).

3 Filed & Entered: 10/01/2013
Affidavit of Service Docket Text: SUMMONS Returned Executed by Mary Zahau-Leohner, Estate of Rebecca Zahau, Estate of Robert Zahau, Pari Z. Zahau. Nina Romano served. (Greer, Curtis)(leh).

1 Filed & Entered: 07/12/2013
Complaint Docket Text: COMPLAINT with Jury Demand against All Defendants (Filing fee $400 receipt number 0974-6089478), filed by Mary Zahau-Leohner, Estate of Rebecca Zahau, Estate of Robert Zahau, Pari Z. Zahau. (Attachments: # (1) Declaration of Pari Z. Zahau, # (2) Civil Cover Sheet)The new case number is 3:13-cv-1624-W-NLS. Judge Thomas J. Whelan and Magistrate Judge Nita L. Stormes are assigned to the case. (Greer, Curtis)(dlg)(av1).

2 Filed & Entered: 07/12/2013
Summons Issued Docket Text: Summons Issued.
Counsel receiving this notice electronically should print this summons and serve it in accordance with Rule 4, Fed.R.Civ.P and LR 4.1. (dlg) (av1).

 

[time]

Case 3:13-*cv-*01624-*W-*NLS Document 4 Filed 10/10/13


JOHND MARINO CA Bar No.126012
DARINL WESSEL, CA Bar No.176220
MANNING & KASS, ELLROD, RAMIREZ, TRESTER LLP
550W C Street, Suite1900 SanDiego
Attorneys for Defendant NinaA.Romano, an individual

 

[time]

Ok, I think I finally have both pages :facepalm:

 

[coastal]

Ok, I think I finally have both pages :facepalm:

Thank you, Time!

Best Wishes to your mom.