Estate of Rebecca Zahau et al v. Shacknai et al

[Myvice]

Inparadise

Do you know if the Niles family had been planning to leave before Maxies accident?

I'm not too familiar with how this all happened.

 

[*Lash*]

The mansion in pv: 7620 north foothills drive south, paradise valley 85253. Christmas 2011.

Thank you IP

AS may have driven from TN to AZ in his brand new truck. Any chance AS flew in and borrowed someone else's truck while he was in AZ for the holidays? Do you know if it is customary for Adam to drive to AZ for the holidays or does he normally fly? Sorry for all the questions. Again, TIA.

I also do not believe it is all that unusual for AS to buy a house, for the same reasons Time mentioned. No kids and he previously rented. Basically a single man with little financial responsibilities. A tugboat captains salary is decent for a single man with no kids. AS could have easily saved money himself. However in combination, buying a brand new truck and a home all within a 6-12 month period could be seen as "living it up".

I agree the defense team representing AS is likely not in his financial range. It is obvious JS is helping him. In my opinion, it is also now obvious JS is very invested in the WDS. I believe JS has several reasons to want the WDS to disappear. Namely, Dina.

 

[screecher]

Aha! I actually didn't think of that. I have just heard over and over about the leaving of the body out so as to compromise evidence. It's heavily relied on when listing the many perceived injustices.

BBM

Do you think leaving Rebecca's dead, naked, bound and gagged body for 13 hours in the hot sun did not compromise evidence?

Would you list "the many perceived injustices" please?

 

[MaybeNotToday]

BBM

Do you think leaving Rebecca's dead, naked, bound and gagged body for 13 hours in the hot sun did not compromise evidence?

Would you list "the many perceived injustices" please?

Yes, I did think leaving her body out was unusually disgraceful. When I was reminded that LE had not foreseen the media helicopters, it made me reconsider the issue. I don't know how many crime scenes you've seen, but I've witnessed 0. So, it may not be as unusual as we think.

 

[TorisMom003]

Yes, I did think leaving her body out was unusually disgraceful. When I was reminded that LE had not foreseen the media helicopters, it made me reconsider the issue. I don't know how many crime scenes you've seen, but I've witnessed 0. So, it may not be as unusual as we think.

A hanging in a mansion that had previously had an accidental fall of the homeowner's son who was still in ICU at the hospital and the police did not foresee the possibility of media helicopters coming to the scene? Really? Then perhaps those police officers need to go back to school. Common sense would tell me that of course the media would get wind of it and fly over head. Then we also have the lack of protocol when it came to the crime scene, the lack of collecting evidence and the lack of protecting evidence while destroying it by the police officers. We also have the ME that couldn't bother to come to the scene until how many hours later? All of it points to shoddy police work, to say the least, and possibly a cover up in the making.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

Yes, I did think leaving her body out was unusually disgraceful. When I was reminded that LE had not foreseen the media helicopters, it made me reconsider the issue. I don't know how many crime scenes you've seen, but I've witnessed 0. So, it may not be as unusual as we think.

Actually, there's no excuse for such a serious mistake. Any LEO, supervisor or otherwise, should know leaving RZ's body outdoors in the sun would compromise evidence and make it more difficult for the ME to determine time and cause of death. Of course they knew it was a violation of her privacy and egregious disrespect for a dead person.

You would have to go pretty far into rural, small town America to find a police department so poorly trained that they didn't realize the error of such a move. LE from a major urban center, full of military installations teeming with experts, most certainly knew they should protect the crime scene. The question remains - why didn't they?

What was going on that day that paralyzed the LE apparatus that they were unable to perform the most basic tasks at a death investigation? I'd love to see the phone, email and text records for SDSO and Coronado PD for that day.

 

[screecher]

yes, i did think leaving her body out was unusually disgraceful. When i was reminded that le had not foreseen the media helicopters, it made me reconsider the issue. I don't know how many crime scenes you've seen, but i've witnessed 0. So, it may not be as unusual as we think.

a hanging in a mansion that had previously had an accidental fall of the homeowner's son who was still in icu at the hospital and the police did not foresee the possibility of media helicopters coming to the scene? Really? Then perhaps those police officers need to go back to school. Common sense would tell me that of course the media would get wind of it and fly over head. Then we also have the lack of protocol when it came to the crime scene, the lack of collecting evidence and the lack of protecting evidence while destroying it by the police officers. We also have the me that couldn't bother to come to the scene until how many hours later? All of it points to shoddy police work, to say the least, and possibly a cover up in the making.

Moo

this^^^

 

[K_Z]

Actually, there's no excuse for such a serious mistake. Any LEO, supervisor or otherwise, should know leaving RZ's body outdoors in the sun would compromise evidence and make it more difficult for the ME to determine time and cause of death. Of course they knew it was a violation of her privacy and egregious disrespect for a dead person.

You would have to go pretty far into rural, small town America to find a police department so poorly trained that they didn't realize the error of such a move. LE from a major urban center, full of military installations teeming with experts, most certainly knew they should protect the crime scene. The question remains - why didn't they?

What was going on that day that paralyzed the LE apparatus that they were unable to perform the most basic tasks at a death investigation? I'd love to see the phone, email and text records for SDSO and Coronado PD for that day.

Exactly. And how about letting Paul Pfingst inside the crime tape, and exchanging some good ole boy back clapping with a prominent defense attorney? Who was "all smiles" in the widely publicized picture? Oh, and letting that defense attorney inside the crime scene MANY hours before the ME's office finally showed up? Jose Baez wanted inside the crime scene in the Caylee Anthony murder, too-- but LE and the Judge rightfully said "no".

Maybe Paul Pfingst, the ex-prosecutor, (who knows a great deal about preserving evidence, and crime scene management) could have mentioned that LE should have erected a tent over the nude, exposed body? I wonder if that was ever discussed, whie they were smiling and back clapping? Or we're they too busy being awed in the presence of PP, to remember that there was a nude, dead woman just steps away from them? I guess they were just happy to see each other-- maybe planning to get some coffee or something? We're they just saying "Hey--thanks for stopping by, Paul. We have it all taken care of from here"?

What a distraction, at the very LEAST.

That pic of PP just says so much to me about the tone and atmosphere at the crime scene in the earliest hours.

 

[Myvice]

Actually, there's no excuse for such a serious mistake. Any LEO, supervisor or otherwise, should know leaving RZ's body outdoors in the sun would compromise evidence and make it more difficult for the ME to determine time and cause of death. Of course they knew it was a violation of her privacy and egregious disrespect for a dead person.

You would have to go pretty far into rural, small town America to find a police department so poorly trained that they didn't realize the error of such a move. LE from a major urban center, full of military installations teeming with experts, most certainly knew they should protect the crime scene. The question remains - why didn't they?

What was going on that day that paralyzed the LE apparatus that they were unable to perform the most basic tasks at a death investigation? I'd love to see the phone, email and text records for SDSO and Coronado PD for that day.

I would love to see this too. It was a Wednesday. I could possibly understand 13 hours on a busy weekend but what was going on on a Wednesday that precipitated a 13 hour delay?

 

[kittychi]

I would love to see this too. It was a Wednesday. I could possibly understand 13 hours on a busy weekend but what was going on on a Wednesday that precipitated a 13 hour delay?

I remember reading somewhere (I don't know if I could ever find the link) that there was some type of seminar that the entire ME dept. attended that day. It was the excuse given why Lucas showed up so late.

 

[Peaceful]

Exactly. And how about letting Paul Pfingst inside the crime tape, and exchanging some good ole boy back clapping with a prominent defense attorney? Who was "all smiles" in the widely publicized picture? Oh, and letting that defense attorney inside the crime scene MANY hours before the ME's office finally showed up? Jose Baez wanted inside the crime scene in the Caylee Anthony murder, too-- but LE and the Judge rightfully said "no".

Maybe Paul Pfingst, the ex-prosecutor, (who knows a great deal about preserving evidence, and crime scene management) could have mentioned that LE should have erected a tent over the nude, exposed body? I wonder if that was ever discussed, whie they were smiling and back clapping? Or we're they too busy being awed in the presence of PP, to remember that there was a nude, dead woman just steps away from them? I guess they were just happy to see each other-- maybe planning to get some coffee or something? We're they just saying "Hey--thanks for stopping by, Paul. We have it all taken care of from here"?

What a distraction, at the very LEAST.

That pic of PP just says so much to me about the tone and atmosphere at the crime scene in the earliest hours.

My best guess is that PP was there that day to taint the investigation by quickly putting in everyone's ear how a sweet little 6 year old boy was in ICU, not expected to live. How he was under the sole care of the woman who hung herself out in the courtyard. Clearly she had some mental issues, she hurt this small boy. Clearly JS wanted nothing to do with her and now she was taking one last stab at dear JS trying to make her suicide look like murder! What a hateful person! Unbelievable!

That's my opinion and my best guess based on what I know to be the facts in this case. I don't believe any good or bad cop would have cared much about how long it took to get the tent up or the body covered. Child abusers are the lowest form of life. The problem of course being we all know now from autopsy reports that Max wasn't abused. RZ didn't abuse him. She wasn't mentally ill and she had no reason to take her own life. He did however have benzodiazepines in his blood stream. Why? Why does a 6 year old have benzodiazepines in his blood? That's a question I would like to know the answer to. If Max didn't die, Rebecca wouldn't have either. . These are all my opinions and only my opinions.

http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/shacknai, max_report.pdf

 

[kittychi]

My best guess is that PP was there that day to taint the investigation by quickly putting in everyone's ear how a sweet little 6 year old boy was in ICU, not expected to live. How he was under the sole care of the woman who hung herself out in the courtyard. Clearly she had some mental issues, she hurt this small boy. Clearly JS wanted nothing to do with her and now she was taking one last stab at dear JS trying to make her suicide look like murder! What a hateful person! Unbelievable!

That's my opinion and my best guess based on what I know to be the facts in this case. I don't believe any good or bad cop would have cared much about how long it took to get the tent up or the body covered. Child abusers are the lowest form of life. The problem of course being we all know now from autopsy reports that Max wasn't abused. RZ didn't abuse him. She wasn't mentally ill and she had no reason to take her own life. He did however have benzodiazepines in his blood stream. Why? Why does a 6 year old have benzodiazepines in his blood? That's a question I would like to know the answer to. If Max didn't die, Rebecca wouldn't have either. . These are all my opinions and only my opinions.

http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/shacknai, max_report.pdf

BBM: I did a little research and OCD was the only medical reason I could find (on Google) for treating a 6 year old with Benzodiazepines for which he would need a prescription. If he didn't have a prescription, I think Dina would have been very accusatory toward JS and Rebecca for giving him that drug. If she didn't question it, then she knows why it was in his blood.

 

[coastal]

My best guess is that PP was there that day to taint the investigation by quickly putting in everyone's ear how a sweet little 6 year old boy was in ICU, not expected to live. How he was under the sole care of the woman who hung herself out in the courtyard. Clearly she had some mental issues, she hurt this small boy. Clearly JS wanted nothing to do with her and now she was taking one last stab at dear JS trying to make her suicide look like murder! What a hateful person! Unbelievable!

That's my opinion and my best guess based on what I know to be the facts in this case. I don't believe any good or bad cop would have cared much about how long it took to get the tent up or the body covered. Child abusers are the lowest form of life. The problem of course being we all know now from autopsy reports that Max wasn't abused. RZ didn't abuse him. She wasn't mentally ill and she had no reason to take her own life. He did however have benzodiazepines in his blood stream. Why? Why does a 6 year old have benzodiazepines in his blood? That's a question I would like to know the answer to. If Max didn't die, Rebecca wouldn't have either. . These are all my opinions and only my opinions.

http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/shacknai, max_report.pdf

Hi Peaceful. Love your name!

The idea of benzos in Max's little body really bothered me, also, but KZ explained that this kind of drug would have been used by EMTs and ER staff as they worked to establish an airway for him. I'll try to find KZ's post about it - BRB.

 

[screecher]

Yes, you are correct ^


"Also, the positive benzodiazepine is from medically administered benzos in the stabilization and intubation process. Nothing malicious there." K_Z From the Max's scooter thread. Post #161. That would be the Max's scooter thread *Lash* started.

 

[coastal]

Yes, you are correct ^


"Also, the positive benzodiazepine is from medically administered benzos in the stabilization and intubation process. Nothing malicious there." K_Z From the Max's scooter thread. Post #161. That would be the Max's scooter thread *Lash* started.

Thanks, mittymick! You are fast!

 

[Peaceful]

Hi Peaceful. Love your name!

The idea of benzos in Max's little body really bothered me, also, but KZ explained that this kind of drug would have been used by EMTs and ER staff as they worked to establish an airway for him. I'll try to find KZ's post about it - BRB.

Thank you Coastal! I am trying to live up to my name.
Thank you all for clarifying on this. I missed KZ's post on this unfortunately. That is good news to me. I hate to think anyone would knowingly give a child a dangerous drug. Nothing would surprise me at this point with this case. The unanswered questions are endless.

 

[Peaceful]

BBM: I did a little research and OCD was the only medical reason I could find (on Google) for treating a 6 year old with Benzodiazepines for which he would need a prescription. If he didn't have a prescription, I think Dina would have been very accusatory toward JS and Rebecca for giving him that drug. If she didn't question it, then she knows why it was in his blood.

I can't say I agree with your statement about DS being accusatory if she didn't know about the drug. DS has been very careful about not bringing JS's name up and I don't think that is out of the kindness of her heart. I have to think she is watching what she says for a reason. It does sound like there are explainable reasons that was in his system however, so I will now consider it a mute point. Thanks again for the clarification and your explanation.

 

[Betty P]

My best guess is that PP was there that day to taint the investigation by quickly putting in everyone's ear how a sweet little 6 year old boy was in ICU, not expected to live. How he was under the sole care of the woman who hung herself out in the courtyard. Clearly she had some mental issues, she hurt this small boy. Clearly JS wanted nothing to do with her and now she was taking one last stab at dear JS trying to make her suicide look like murder! What a hateful person! Unbelievable!

That's my opinion and my best guess based on what I know to be the facts in this case. I don't believe any good or bad cop would have cared much about how long it took to get the tent up or the body covered. Child abusers are the lowest form of life. The problem of course being we all know now from autopsy reports that Max wasn't abused. RZ didn't abuse him. She wasn't mentally ill and she had no reason to take her own life. He did however have benzodiazepines in his blood stream. Why? Why does a 6 year old have benzodiazepines in his blood? That's a question I would like to know the answer to. If Max didn't die, Rebecca wouldn't have either. . These are all my opinions and only my opinions.

http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/shacknai, max_report.pdf

Please dont take this the wrong way, but your discussion is off topic for this thread. If you check in some of the other thread subjects below you'll find one dealing with MS autopsy. Thanks!

 

[time]

Finally!!! Dina was served... docs just appeared yesterday. I'm not posting much because after 2 years and 3.5 months, I don't have anything much to say except Rebecca Zahau was murdered and I'm pretty darn sure at least one someone listed in this lawsuit is involved.

 

[time]

the documents were actually served to someone named "Zane White", a friend... anyone know who that is. Her Private Investigator?