Evidence of Heart Shaped Sticker on Duct Tape Destroyed

[ClockWatcher]

Yes, I think she admitted it under heavy interogation by big tired people that were being very mean to her. I think anyone would answer wrong if three mean people were yelling at them at the same time. I hardly call that an interview.

This so called mountain of evidence that people keep bringing up is about as clear to me as this heart shaped outline. I think some of you are seeing things that just are not there.

Back attcha!!

 

[ZsaZsa]

Yes, I think she admitted it under heavy interogation by big tired people that were being very mean to her. I think anyone would answer wrong if three mean people were yelling at them at the same time. I hardly call that an interview.

This so called mountain of evidence that people keep bringing up is about as clear to me as this heart shaped outline. I think some of you are seeing things that just are not there.

A great part of the 'mountain of evidence' is on this site for anyone to read.
I only speak for myself, but based on the comments that I see here, I would say that the preponderance of people believe those facts. Jurors are likely to come from a mixed demographic, as do the people who post on this site,so if the majority of opinions expressed on this site could be said to be fairly representative I would say there's good chance a Jury would believe them too.
I don't think you will change anyone's opinion once it has been formed if it was based on good research and thoughtful consideration.

 

[JBean]

Yes, I think she admitted it under heavy interogation by big tired people that were being very mean to her. I think anyone would answer wrong if three mean people were yelling at them at the same time. I hardly call that an interview.

This so called mountain of evidence that people keep bringing up is about as clear to me as this heart shaped outline. I think some of you are seeing things that just are not there.

LOL, LE had the patience of saints with her.
Notthatsmart. Please, search old threads and read read read. Your viewpoint is 100% welcome, but most of your points are all discussed at length in various threads in the forum.
If you need clarification on existing evidence, please research and read the threads.You will find answers to your questions all over this forum. New members are always welcome, but getting up to speed so to adequately defend your argument is a good thing.

ETA: It takes more than one poster to take a thread oftopic so please everyone if comments are not on the topic of a thread, do not respond because it continues the OT posting.

 

[Brini]

Yes, I think she admitted it under heavy interogation by big tired people that were being very mean to her. I think anyone would answer wrong if three mean people were yelling at them at the same time. I hardly call that an interview.

This so called mountain of evidence that people keep bringing up is about as clear to me as this heart shaped outline. I think some of you are seeing things that just are not there.

I think what we are seeing is the stack of discovery we all read.

That said-- if you choose to believe what you believe, that's OK.

But, most people are not gonna buy that refusing to report one's child missing, lying to LE consistently, fictionalizing a kidnapper, and carefree partying, to say nothing of the forensics, point to a "normal young woman, going about her business."

Sorry, but you are not convincing anyone. There's too much that one would have to overlook. You can't unring the evidentiary bell.

 

[JBean]

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[MissJames]

Yes, I think she admitted it under heavy interogation by big tired people that were being very mean to her. I think anyone would answer wrong if three mean people were yelling at them at the same time. I hardly call that an interview.

This so called mountain of evidence that people keep bringing up is about as clear to me as this heart shaped outline. I think some of you are seeing things that just are not there.

Notthatsmart,
I guess it will all play out at trial.I can't imagine the SA would come in with a Death Penalty case if there's no evidence,but we shall see.
Since it won't be up to you or me our opinions won't matter.Just the 12 jurors.KC would have a much better shot if her parents and the defense would quit talking,just as she did. Their behavior has done her no favors.
Again ,the residue is a non issue.You can pull up any other thread in the forum if there is any other topic you wish to debate.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

I think what we are seeing is the stack of discovery we all read.

That said-- if you choose to believe what you believe, that's OK.

But, most people are not gonna buy that refusing to report one's child missing, lying to LE consistently, fictionalizing a kidnapper, and carefree partying, to say nothing of the forensics, point to a "normal young woman, going about her business."

Sorry, but you are not convincing anyone. There's too much that one would have to overlook. You can't unring the evidentiary bell.

I think you are correct, in that you can't unring the evidentiary bell.

When, in the court of public opinion, the heart shaped sticker placed directly over the mouth was introduced as evidence, the response was immediate and overwhelming. The bell rang loudly. This evidence bolstered the prosecutions already strong case. It gave the media a powerful new dagger to use in the assasination of Casey's already suspect character.
In light of the latest doc dump, there seems to be a good chance the sticker will not come into play as evidence at trail. However, the bell had been rung and the damage was done.

In my opinion, there is a mountain of unreleased documents that we have yet to see. How much of the mountain of already released evidence that makes such a strong circumstantial case against Casey, will end up by the wayside as the heart shape sticker seems to have?

The media is very good at soliciting emotional respsonse from the public.

I just hope that future doc dumps do not shed the same kiind of light on the strong evidence the prosecution currently has, that the recent doc dump seems to have shed on the heart shaped outline.

 

[whiteangora]

I think you are correct, in that you can't unring the evidentiary bell.

When, in the court of public opinion, the heart shaped sticker placed directly over the mouth was introduced as evidence, the response was immediate and overwhelming. The bell rang loudly. This evidence bolstered the prosecutions already strong case. It gave the media a powerful new dagger to use in the assasination of Casey's already suspect character.
In light of the latest doc dump, there seems to be a good chance the sticker will not come into play as evidence at trail. However, the bell had been rung and the damage was done.

In my opinion, there is a mountain of unreleased documents that we have yet to see. How much of the mountain of already released evidence that makes such a strong circumstantial case against Casey, will end up by the wayside as the heart shape sticker seems to have?

The media is very good at soliciting emotional respsonse from the public.

I just hope that future doc dumps do not shed the same kiind of light on the strong evidence the prosecution currently has, that the recent doc dump seems to have shed on the heart shaped outline.

bbm

The media has made sure that anyone in FL with a TV set or newspaper subscription, or internet access has heard of the heart sticker. I suppose it really does not matter whether it can be used at trial or not, nor does it matter which city the trial might be moved to since this story gets worldwide coverage. Fortunately,
Casey is certainly not a "media darling", she is being portrayed exactly as she is, a monster.
Sticker or no sticker, her goose is cooked.

 

[celticthyme]

I know we're supposed to be talking about the sticker residue (at least, I think we are ) but has anybody noticed that in this 1000 pages of documents there are explicits statements that rule out CA, GA and LA's fingerprints on the duct tape, but not one single word about ruling out KC's?

To this date have we seen any forensics that explicitly state there are no KC fingerprints? I don't believe we have.

Valhall, I have thought for a long time that the information that " we are not seeing" speaks volumes. They have been very deliberate in not mentioning where they have found her fingerprints. When she applied the duct tape, in the areas where the tape overlapped, I have to wonder if prints might not have been protected on those edges somewhere. Somehow there has to be evidence in what they collected at the Suburban scene that directly links her to the crime, for them to put the DP back on the table, and fairly quickly after the forensic results.

 

[Fl Breeze]

IIRC, an image of a heart was first noticed on the duct tape during the examination of all of the evidence that was found at the body site.

As with any investigation, this merely became a potential new area of interest and was used, along with other evidence, to do another search of the A's home to look for items that may be associated with this shape, ie; stickers, paper, cards or anything remotely close to the shape of what was seen on the duct tape.

Now that this image can no longer be actually seen due to further evidence testing, it will probably not be able to be used at the trial.

And yes, the media always grabs hold of and runs with anything sensational like this, whether it really will end up being evidence or not.

What, I think, this shows is the enormous amount of time and work that goes into an investigation and of all the man hours of work and investigation that may never be seen during a trial. I get a whole new appreciation of all the members of LE, FBI, etc. working on behalf of the victim (Caylee)

I also have noticed that the defense always uses the words "crime scene" when discussing where the body was found and the "contamination of the crime scene" when trying to throw around reasonable doubt. (this sounds so much more dramatic for them)

This was most likely not the crime scene and was just where poor Caylee was discarded and lay for months. But it sounds better for the defense to get the word out that the "crime scene is contaminated"



So the belief that this area holds all kind of strange DNA, hairs, fibers is really not all unusual.

What I really find so much more interesting about the heart shape is what it tells about Casey's behavior and the dynamics in the family. I think of all the evidence, this heart shape bothers Cindy the most. I wonder what the real significance of it really is.

 

[AZlawyer]

I know we're supposed to be talking about the sticker residue (at least, I think we are ) but has anybody noticed that in this 1000 pages of documents there are explicits statements that rule out CA, GA and LA's fingerprints on the duct tape, but not one single word about ruling out KC's?

To this date have we seen any forensics that explicitly state there are no KC fingerprints? I don't believe we have.

The FBI report that said there were no CA, GA or LA prints on the duct tape also said there were NO latent prints AT ALL on the duct tape. That's why they didn't have to actually do any print comparisons to the CA, GA and LA sample prints they had--there was nothing to compare them to.

ETA: I believe there is a post from JWG on this in the Mythbusters thread.
No prints means no KC prints, no ZFG prints, no prints. Believe me, if KC's prints had been on the duct tape, the SA would not be hiding that information. They would release it in its own separate little doc dump with little heart stickers all over the report. (JK about the stickers!)

 

[Brini]

I think you are correct, in that you can't unring the evidentiary bell.

When, in the court of public opinion, the heart shaped sticker placed directly over the mouth was introduced as evidence, the response was immediate and overwhelming. The bell rang loudly. This evidence bolstered the prosecutions already strong case. It gave the media a powerful new dagger to use in the assasination of Casey's already suspect character.
In light of the latest doc dump, there seems to be a good chance the sticker will not come into play as evidence at trail. However, the bell had been rung and the damage was done.

In my opinion, there is a mountain of unreleased documents that we have yet to see. How much of the mountain of already released evidence that makes such a strong circumstantial case against Casey, will end up by the wayside as the heart shape sticker seems to have?

The media is very good at soliciting emotional respsonse from the public.

I just hope that future doc dumps do not shed the same kiind of light on the strong evidence the prosecution currently has, that the recent doc dump seems to have shed on the heart shaped outline.

I seriously doubt that the CORE evidence will fall be the wayside.

There was a mountain BEFORE the body was found.

She could be convicted JUST on the trunk, the refusal to report, the lies to LE, and the behavioral.

MOST importantly, she had the baby. She was the last person who had the baby. That means that either she killed Caylee, or she knows who did, and is covering.

 

[RR0004]

I know we're supposed to be talking about the sticker residue (at least, I think we are ) but has anybody noticed that in this 1000 pages of documents there are explicits statements that rule out CA, GA and LA's fingerprints on the duct tape, but not one single word about ruling out KC's?

To this date have we seen any forensics that explicitly state there are no KC fingerprints? I don't believe we have.

They've also talked about secondary evidence coming...and I have no clue what that is.

 

[RR0004]

Yes, I think she admitted it under heavy interogation by big tired people that were being very mean to her. I think anyone would answer wrong if three mean people were yelling at them at the same time. I hardly call that an interview.

This so called mountain of evidence that people keep bringing up is about as clear to me as this heart shaped outline. I think some of you are seeing things that just are not there.

BBM- you're kidding here, right?

 

[Kentjbkent]

Yes, I think she admitted it under heavy interogation by big tired people that were being very mean to her. I think anyone would answer wrong if three mean people were yelling at them at the same time. I hardly call that an interview.

I am assuming that the above bolded, underlined statements are your own personal opinion of the mannerisms and behavior of LE during the interview? (even though you present it as direct statements as oppposed to prefacing them with "in my opinon")

If so, could you provide any direct quotes of statements from any or all of the LE officials present at the interrogation to substantiate your claims of "mean" or "yelling", cause I am just not seeing or hearing it?

Links please.....

 

[ZsaZsa]

I think you are correct, in that you can't unring the evidentiary bell.

When, in the court of public opinion, the heart shaped sticker placed directly over the mouth was introduced as evidence, the response was immediate and overwhelming. The bell rang loudly. This evidence bolstered the prosecutions already strong case. It gave the media a powerful new dagger to use in the assasination of Casey's already suspect character.
In light of the latest doc dump, there seems to be a good chance the sticker will not come into play as evidence at trail. However, the bell had been rung and the damage was done.

In my opinion, there is a mountain of unreleased documents that we have yet to see. How much of the mountain of already released evidence that makes such a strong circumstantial case against Casey, will end up by the wayside as the heart shape sticker seems to have?

The media is very good at soliciting emotional respsonse from the public.

I just hope that future doc dumps do not shed the same kiind of light on the strong evidence the prosecution currently has, that the recent doc dump seems to have shed on the heart shaped outline.

I agree with some of what you say about Media Hype- you only need to watch Nancy Grace for a few nights, every show starts with 'BOMBSHELL' breaking news, which hardly ever is... For those who do not follow the show or the case, that headline might seem genuine, but as much as I like Nancy I wish she would quit the hyperbole. It's like crying wolf.. On the one day when she might actually have some BOMBSHELL breaking news we shall all yawn.
Unringing a bell- well the heart shaped sticker was where they said it was, a residue was found, after that it all went pear-shaped as far as using it for evidence, but you can't change the fact it was there,can you? It's just not going to be possible for the Jury to hear about it.

They can hardly go into court and say "well we had a really neat piece of evidence but it's no longer here" - if they could they would be ringing that particular bell loud and clear.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Yes, I think she admitted it under heavy interogation by big tired people that were being very mean to her. I think anyone would answer wrong if three mean people were yelling at them at the same time. I hardly call that an interview.

We've all listened to those interview tapes MANY times and there is no yelling, nothing apparent in their questions or tone of voice to indicate they were tired or being mean to Casey. They asked pointed questions in their search for Caylee and got nothing but lies, which she admitted to and which she acknowledged did nothing to help them in their search for Caylee.

 

[ZsaZsa]

The FBI report that said there were no CA, GA or LA prints on the duct tape also said there were NO latent prints AT ALL on the duct tape. That's why they didn't have to actually do any print comparisons to the CA, GA and LA sample prints they had--there was nothing to compare them to.

ETA: I believe there is a post from JWG on this in the Mythbusters thread.
No prints means no KC prints, no ZFG prints, no prints. Believe me, if KC's prints had been on the duct tape, the SA would not be hiding that information. They would release it in its own separate little doc dump with little heart stickers all over the report. (JK about the stickers!)

I was hoping they were holding onto that little gem until the appropriate moment in court when the SA could walk over to Baez and say "top this if you can".....:dance:

 

[AZlawyer]

I was hoping they were holding onto that little gem until the appropriate moment in court when the SA could walk over to Baez and say "top this if you can".....:dance:

They can't hold on to it. If they don't produce it in plenty of time for the defense to respond to it, they can't use it at trial.

 

[JBean]

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