EVIDENCE - Pro and Con #2

[PeterThomasFan]

Another missing person (16 yo girl)...

http://wbtw.com/2015/07/11/missing-girl-in-n-myrtle-beach/

That's 3 or 4 in the past 3 weeks in Horry! Lost count.

 

[stillwatersc]

This is really close to Heather's apartment!

Horry news:
http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_8f1d94f4-2c89-11e5-9953-0b39a5dac555.html

WIS has more info:
http://www.wistv.com/story/29571238/woman-found-dead-in-wrecked-car-police-search-for-driver

A barely-clothed woman was found dead in the passenger’s seat, and no one was in the driver’s seat, according to Lt. Raul Denis. Police are working to determine exactly how the woman died.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

BW said, "...I mean I talked to her that night, but I don't know what happened."

[video]https://youtu.be/PZBuEq4so2M?t=33s[/video]

 

[TedMac]

This is really close to Heather's apartment!

Horry news:
http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_8f1d94f4-2c89-11e5-9953-0b39a5dac555.html

WIS has more info:
http://www.wistv.com/story/29571238/woman-found-dead-in-wrecked-car-police-search-for-driver

http://www.wistv.com/story/29571238/woman-found-dead-in-wrecked-car-police-search-for-driver

Victim has been identified and the driver of the car has been arrested and is now incarcerated.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

The driver that fled was granted a $70k bond! I think he already proved himself a flight risk! SMH Horry County.

 

[cujenn81]

Deleted: I found the answer I was looking for

 

[Foxfire]

Good stuff, PTF. Amazing the receipt was even around after a couple of months, but maybe that outdoor one didnt get brought to the curb often.

I hope the receipt shows a purchase which will incriminate. In the Sierra LaMar case, her suspected killer, Antolin Garcia-Torres was found to have purchased bleach and a turkey baster (ugh, I know...). Sierra's case is also a no body case, as I am sure many on WS are aware and I believe these receipts are very important. What incriminating items could have been purchased at bi-lo? I keep thinking large trash bags, deodorizers, cleaning supplies as the obvious. What else?

AK serial killer Israel Keyes stashed “murder kits” around the country. (The one found in Alaska included a shovel and Drano, to accelerate the decomposition of a dead body..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/08/serial-killer-israel-keyes_n_2262349.html

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Looks like there was a possible courtesy call last night at/near the M's...

SUSP PERSON/VEH Case number: PD15080300071936

http://spotcrime.com/crimealert/65788728-3b9e16dff2a90ff2b5a40c9075770a42

 

[Madeleine74]

A suspicious person in Horry County? Say it ain't so!

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Looks like there was a possible courtesy call last night at/near the M's...

SUSP PERSON/VEH Case number: PD15080300071936

http://spotcrime.com/crimealert/65788728-3b9e16dff2a90ff2b5a40c9075770a42

A suspicious person in Horry County? Say it ain't so!

Here's your suspicious person @Madeleine74!



Horry County police respond to residence of Sidney Moorer, woman charged

Sidney Moorer said he heard a noise shortly after 3 a.m. Monday and realized it was someone trying to get in his front door.

He got to the door, partially opened it, and a woman outside was demanding to come in, saying the people in the house should know who she was, Moorer said.

He and his wife Tammy are out on bond, charged with the 2013 kidnapping and murder of Heather Elvis. Elvis has not been found since she disappeared December of that year.

Moorer said since their arrest in February 2014 and their release from jail on bond this past January, his family has constantly been threatened and he’s had to call the police numerous times for people coming onto his property.

“I didn’t know who this woman was but she seemed pretty agitated that I wouldn’t let her in the house,” he said. “She seemed pretty intoxicated. But with all the threats we’ve had to deal with, I couldn’t take any chances.”

[...]

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_a3b526f8-3ab1-11e5-b29f-8fab725ece5e.html

 

[cujenn81]

Here's your suspicious person @Madeleine74!

View attachment 79401

Horry County police respond to residence of Sidney Moorer, woman charged

Sidney Moorer said he heard a noise shortly after 3 a.m. Monday and realized it was someone trying to get in his front door.

He got to the door, partially opened it, and a woman outside was demanding to come in, saying the people in the house should know who she was, Moorer said.

He and his wife Tammy are out on bond, charged with the 2013 kidnapping and murder of Heather Elvis. Elvis has not been found since she disappeared December of that year.

Moorer said since their arrest in February 2014 and their release from jail on bond this past January, his family has constantly been threatened and he’s had to call the police numerous times for people coming onto his property.

“I didn’t know who this woman was but she seemed pretty agitated that I wouldn’t let her in the house,” he said. “She seemed pretty intoxicated. But with all the threats we’ve had to deal with, I couldn’t take any chances.”

[...]

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_a3b526f8-3ab1-11e5-b29f-8fab725ece5e.html

& it was covered by MyHorryNews...
SHOCKER!!

PS. The fact that it says they "decided to check the surveillance cameras Sidney had installed on their property" -- instead of "they decided to check the surveillance cameras Moorer installed on their property" -- speaks VOLUMES. Name one reputable, unbiased news outlet that refers to ANYONE by their first name.

Don't worry... I'll wait.

 

[Madeleine74]

Pfffft. Crazy and/or inebriated people are everywhere. I wasn't questioning whether there was such a person. I believed it.

 

[cujenn81]

Deleted my post because it was irrelevant.

 

[gamatilda]

I saw this article posted on the Lonzie Barton thread and thought of Heather Elvis. Brunswick could be on the way to Disney World from Myrtle Beach if they traveled I-95.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story...remains-found-off-i-95-in-brunswick/31333003/

 

[PeterThomasFan]

I just noticed that in the Horry County public index that Joshua Aaron Michaels was arrested again in July for Disorderly / Public disorderly conduct.

FYI: His cell phone was taken from him during the search of the M's compound on 2/21/14.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...VIDENCE-Pro-and-Con-2&p=11699383#post11699383

0622-Disorderly / Public disorderly conduct
Case Number: 11527GX
Status: Pending
Arrest Date: 07/26/2015
Court Agency: Surfside Beach Magistrate Court

 

[Motherof5]

Here's your suspicious person @Madeleine74!

View attachment 79401

Horry County police respond to residence of Sidney Moorer, woman charged

Sidney Moorer said he heard a noise shortly after 3 a.m. Monday and realized it was someone trying to get in his front door.

He got to the door, partially opened it, and a woman outside was demanding to come in, saying the people in the house should know who she was, Moorer said.

He and his wife Tammy are out on bond, charged with the 2013 kidnapping and murder of Heather Elvis. Elvis has not been found since she disappeared December of that year.

Moorer said since their arrest in February 2014 and their release from jail on bond this past January, his family has constantly been threatened and he’s had to call the police numerous times for people coming onto his property.

“I didn’t know who this woman was but she seemed pretty agitated that I wouldn’t let her in the house,” he said. “She seemed pretty intoxicated. But with all the threats we’ve had to deal with, I couldn’t take any chances.”

[...]

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_a3b526f8-3ab1-11e5-b29f-8fab725ece5e.html

He couldn't take any chances? Does anyone remember Truslow's words from the bond hearing? They were talking about the M's safety, considering the angry public, and Truslow said that SM would take his chances. :facepalm:

 

[PeterThomasFan]

I still don't think Heather drove herself to PTL. Anyone else think the same? Any speculation to say otherwise?

 

[TedMac]

I still don't think Heather drove herself to PTL. Anyone else think the same? Any speculation to say otherwise?

BBMI believe that all any of us can do is speculate as to how all of the events went down. But, I think that the entire plan from stalking, to the meeting meeting, to the capture, to Heather's death and to the disposal of the body was planned in advance. The reason I question the M's coming to Heather's apartment and taking control of her there and driving her vehicle to PTL is I can't imagine them taking the risk of being seen there or Heather letting out a scream which would alert her neighbors. If they could convince her to drive away from there and meet them in a remote place such as PTL, that risk would be eliminated.

I have always thought that SM put the plan (that had been schemed out in advance) in motion when he went to the gas station and called Heather from the pay phone. He didn't know he would be seen on video. He thought he could call her and the said call could never be traced to him. It was agreed that they would meet at PTL later that night. I believe that Heather drove herself to PTL and the M's went together in their truck that was captured twice on video. Heather's calls that she made to SM's phone was her calling him possibly asking why he was late, etc. Once both parties arrived at PTL, Heather was quickly subdued and taken away in the M's truck to another location where she was killed and her body disposed of later that morning.

All of this is just my theory. I cannot prove any of the details. Heather's body will probably never be found and we may never know what really happened that night.

As you know, LE has been very tight lipped with regards to information around this case. But I believe that LE has a good idea of how the body was disposed of. Solicitor Richardson said in a press release prior to the gag order that the body may not be recoverable. I have always felt that statement indicates they pretty much know what happened to her.

Again, I am afraid that we may never know what really happened that night.

 

[LBDunes]

[/B]

BBMI believe that all any of us can do is speculate as to how all of the events went down. But, I think that the entire plan from stalking, to the meeting meeting, to the capture, to Heather's death and to the disposal of the body was planned in advance. The reason I question the M's coming to Heather's apartment and taking control of her there and driving her vehicle to PTL is I can't imagine them taking the risk of being seen there or Heather letting out a scream which would alert her neighbors. If they could convince her to drive away from there and meet them in a remote place such as PTL, that risk would be eliminated.

I have always thought that SM put the plan (that had been schemed out in advance) in motion when he went to the gas station and called Heather from the pay phone. He didn't know he would be seen on video. He thought he could call her and the said call could never be traced to him. It was agreed that they would meet at PTL later that night. I believe that Heather drove herself to PTL and the M's went together in their truck that was captured twice on video. Heather's calls that she made to SM's phone was her calling him possibly asking why he was late, etc. Once both parties arrived at PTL, Heather was quickly subdued and taken away in the M's truck to another location where she was killed and her body disposed of later that morning.

All of this is just my theory. I cannot prove any of the details. Heather's body will probably never be found and we may never know what really happened that night.

As you know, LE has been very tight lipped with regards to information around this case. But I believe that LE has a good idea of how the body was disposed of. Solicitor Richardson said in a press release prior to the gag order that the body may not be recoverable. I have always felt that statement indicates they pretty much know what happened to her.

Again, I am afraid that we may never know what really happened that night.

The items bbm, I think are right on the mark. That is an excellent point that you made about them not going to her apartment. In addition, it is quite possible, that there might be some video of Heather getting into her car alone at her apartment? I think your assessment of what probably happened that night is dead on!

 

[cujenn81]

[/B]

BBMI believe that all any of us can do is speculate as to how all of the events went down. But, I think that the entire plan from stalking, to the meeting meeting, to the capture, to Heather's death and to the disposal of the body was planned in advance. The reason I question the M's coming to Heather's apartment and taking control of her there and driving her vehicle to PTL is I can't imagine them taking the risk of being seen there or Heather letting out a scream which would alert her neighbors. If they could convince her to drive away from there and meet them in a remote place such as PTL, that risk would be eliminated.

I have always thought that SM put the plan (that had been schemed out in advance) in motion when he went to the gas station and called Heather from the pay phone. He didn't know he would be seen on video. He thought he could call her and the said call could never be traced to him. It was agreed that they would meet at PTL later that night. I believe that Heather drove herself to PTL and the M's went together in their truck that was captured twice on video. Heather's calls that she made to SM's phone was her calling him possibly asking why he was late, etc. Once both parties arrived at PTL, Heather was quickly subdued and taken away in the M's truck to another location where she was killed and her body disposed of later that morning.

All of this is just my theory. I cannot prove any of the details. Heather's body will probably never be found and we may never know what really happened that night.

As you know, LE has been very tight lipped with regards to information around this case. But I believe that LE has a good idea of how the body was disposed of. Solicitor Richardson said in a press release prior to the gag order that the body may not be recoverable. I have always felt that statement indicates they pretty much know what happened to her.

Again, I am afraid that we may never know what really happened that night.

My theory is pretty much exactly the same as yours. I also think the Ms knew she was home alone... but they didn't consider the fact that she might call her roommate (or anyone else, for that matter) after he called her from the pay phone. That really threw a monkey wrench into their plan.