Evidence revealed during the course of the Wrongful Death action

[LuckyLucy2]

Hah!!!


The response to my post, imo, proves you have NO EVIDENCE, the post is just more of the same posted untruths/skewed info found on here that is posted by you.

In spite of our contentious postings, I wish you a....

Very Merry Christmas [emoji319] to you and yours.

Hee hee!!!

The response to my post, which was a response to your POST, imo, proves YOU have no evidence, the post is just more of the same lies/spins found on here that is posted by YOU.

And in the spirit of the holidays, I hope YOU enjoyed a...

Happy Hanukkah :menorah: for you and yours.

 

[awakeandaware]

Actually, the physical evidence - and there is so much of it - points to Rebecca, and only Rebecca in the guest room and on the balcony that evening. There is no physical evidence at all that places anyone other than Zahau there that night.

Except for the writing on the door. The height of the writing is unusually high on the door for her height. Also. If she wrote the message she refers to herself as "her"" not "me". Why would she do that? If it were Dina (I'm not saying it was) That message would make since. Being murdered and found naked and bound would also add to the humiliation. She would be getting back at them both. Twisted, but it makes since.

 

[burke_dennings]

Except for the writing on the door. The height of the writing is unusually high on the door for her height. Also. If she wrote the message she refers to herself as "her"" not "me". Why would she do that? If it were Dina (I'm not saying it was) That message would make since. Being murdered and found naked and bound would also add to the humiliation. She would be getting back at them both. Twisted, but it makes since.

If one wants to turn this into "Clue The Classic Mystery Game," lots of outlandish scenarios could make sense.

But Ms. Zahau's bizarre death was exhaustively investigated by professional law enforcement agencies, all the way up to the Office of The Attorney General of the State of California.

And MZL, for all her frenzied efforts, hasn't put a single dent in the official findings.

 

[screecher]

The most outlandish scenario being Rebecca murdering herself 😉

 

[burke_dennings]

The most outlandish scenario being Rebecca murdering herself 

Well, I hope you contributed to MZL's legal fund, she desperately needed those funds to get more Cyril Wecht types on board to refute the overwhelming evidence that proved suicide aka murdering yourself.

 

[Betty P]

Well, I hope you contributed to MZL's legal fund, she desperately needed those funds to get more Cyril Wecht types on board to refute the overwhelming evidence that proved suicide aka murdering yourself.

Actually, SDSO's case is a muddled mess, full of assumptions, cherry picked evidence, unasked questions and evidence ignored or not gathered.

The case for suicide is highly unusual. It's a one of a kind scenario, assuming a woman unfamiliar with bond age and knot tying spent an entire day shuttling family around San Diego while doing more than a dozen Internet searches for Asian , anime bondage, etc in order to learn obscure nautical knot tying skills so she could commit suicide in the nude, bloody, muddy, scratched, heavily bound and gagged, with duct tape marks on her legs, by diving over a high balcony railing, disturbing little dust and hanging herself with a rope of unknown origin. This bizarre, one in a million suicide was prompted by an alleged phone call or text message from her fiancee that doesn't appear in her phone records, nor is not shown to exist in any phone records anywhere. All this happens from a room showing spattered blood, a hunk of her hair, an overturned chair, two knives and a bizarre message written in third person on the door, while her husband's enraged ex wife and her sister walk around outside. She's discovered by her SO 's nautical deckhand brother, sleeping in the guest house who awakens early, sees her body hanging from the balcony and dials up some on his I phone, does his thing, then dresses, puts on his boots and goes to the house for coffee, stopping to cut her down, without leaving DNA, and calling 911 to say he found a girl hanging.

Most PD'S would have investigated further instead of hiring a PR consultant, tried to recreate the binding of feet and hands, but not the noose. Nor did they administer polys, fully check every interested party's phone records or attempt to re-enact the bizarre hanging itself.

So much to unpack in this case, perhaps more will be revealed in the discovery process.

 

[justice be served]

Betty P, what an erudite and focused post you've offered. This is an obviously emotional case to the supporters of Dina et al, and you have managed to slice and dice the case down to its rudimentary essence. Thank you and am awaiting with bated breath for even just one ounce of defense evidence on the part of the accused. Waiting, waiting, waiting...........

What is taking so long????

 

[burke_dennings]

MZL for all her media noise, has yet to produce any evidence against the people she's accusing of murder.

The burden of proof in the WDS is on her.

Again, I encourage those who side with MZL to do something proactive on her behalf.


Here is a link to contact the AG: http://oag.ca.gov/contact


Maybe they would have another look at the case?

 

[burke_dennings]

Actually, SDSO's case is a muddled mess, full of assumptions, cherry picked evidence, unasked questions and evidence ignored or not gathered.

The case for suicide is highly unusual. It's a one of a kind scenario, assuming a woman unfamiliar with bond age and knot tying spent an entire day shuttling family around San Diego while doing more than a dozen Internet searches for Asian , anime bondage, etc in order to learn obscure nautical knot tying skills so she could commit suicide in the nude, bloody, muddy, scratched, heavily bound and gagged, with duct tape marks on her legs, by diving over a high balcony railing, disturbing little dust and hanging herself with a rope of unknown origin. This bizarre, one in a million suicide was prompted by an alleged phone call or text message from her fiancee that doesn't appear in her phone records, nor is not shown to exist in any phone records anywhere. All this happens from a room showing spattered blood, a hunk of her hair, an overturned chair, two knives and a bizarre message written in third person on the door, while her husband's enraged ex wife and her sister walk around outside. She's discovered by her SO 's nautical deckhand brother, sleeping in the guest house who awakens early, sees her body hanging from the balcony and dials up some on his I phone, does his thing, then dresses, puts on his boots and goes to the house for coffee, stopping to cut her down, without leaving DNA, and calling 911 to say he found a girl hanging.

Most PD'S would have investigated further instead of hiring a PR consultant, tried to recreate the binding of feet and hands, but not the noose. Nor did they administer polys, fully check every interested party's phone records or attempt to re-enact the bizarre hanging itself.

So much to unpack in this case, perhaps more will be revealed in the discovery process.

And how'd that lawsuit against the County of San Diego work out for MZL?

 

[Betty P]

Betty P, what an erudite and focused post you've offered. This is an obviously emotional case to the supporters of Dina et al, and you have managed to slice and dice the case down to its rudimentary essence. Thank you and am awaiting with bated breath for even just one ounce of defense evidence on the part of the accused. Waiting, waiting, waiting...........

What is taking so long????

Thanks! I spent a little time going back through the old threads here. It made me realize how little information has been revealed, how little evidence there is and how the timelines, etc. still don't add up. After all this time, there is still little to justify SDSO's conclusion, but a whole lot of circumstantial evidence showing others were likely involved. It's impossible to ignore and the SDSO logic is flawed.

When viewed in perspective, comparing this case to thousands of other murders, suicides and murders made to look like suicide, the odds of this being just suicide are abnormally small.


To their credit, the Zahau family has played it pretty close to the vest. It will be interesting to see what the WDS and the depositions reveal. As someone said a year or so ago, most people following this case just want to know the truth about what really happened. We're still very far from knowing enough.

 

[Buttercup117]

Actually, SDSO's case is a muddled mess, full of assumptions, cherry picked evidence, unasked questions and evidence ignored or not gathered.

The case for suicide is highly unusual. It's a one of a kind scenario, assuming a woman unfamiliar with bond age and knot tying spent an entire day shuttling family around San Diego while doing more than a dozen Internet searches for Asian , anime bondage, etc in order to learn obscure nautical knot tying skills so she could commit suicide in the nude, bloody, muddy, scratched, heavily bound and gagged, with duct tape marks on her legs, by diving over a high balcony railing, disturbing little dust and hanging herself with a rope of unknown origin. This bizarre, one in a million suicide was prompted by an alleged phone call or text message from her fiancee that doesn't appear in her phone records, nor is not shown to exist in any phone records anywhere. All this happens from a room showing spattered blood, a hunk of her hair, an overturned chair, two knives and a bizarre message written in third person on the door, while her husband's enraged ex wife and her sister walk around outside. She's discovered by her SO 's nautical deckhand brother, sleeping in the guest house who awakens early, sees her body hanging from the balcony and dials up some on his I phone, does his thing, then dresses, puts on his boots and goes to the house for coffee, stopping to cut her down, without leaving DNA, and calling 911 to say he found a girl hanging.

Most PD'S would have investigated further instead of hiring a PR consultant, tried to recreate the binding of feet and hands, but not the noose. Nor did they administer polys, fully check every interested party's phone records or attempt to re-enact the bizarre hanging itself.

So much to unpack in this case, perhaps more will be revealed in the discovery process.

Just My OWN OPINION , this case reeks of incompetence and possible cover up. Betty P I agree with you 100 %

 

[burke_dennings]

Yes, MZL will have to 'splain how the evil trio murdered her sis without leaving their.....

DNA

fingerprints

footprints

hair

sweat

spit

skin cells


Do tell, MLZ!:crazy:

 

[Betty P]

It happens all the time when criminals wear gloves and clean up a crime scene before leaving.

 

[bourne]

^ Easy.

Murderers:
1) wore gloves
2) physical evidence not collected or tested (e.g., mixed DNA found all over the murder room but dismissed)
3) physical evidence that was collected were dismissed since they appear to contradict suicide theory

Any other questions?

Conclusion: Erroneous ME ruling of suicide due to investigative biases.

 

[bourne]

Actually, SDSO's case is a muddled mess, full of assumptions, cherry picked evidence, unasked questions and evidence ignored or not gathered.

The case for suicide is highly unusual. It's a one of a kind scenario, assuming a woman unfamiliar with bond age and knot tying spent an entire day shuttling family around San Diego while doing more than a dozen Internet searches for Asian , anime bondage, etc in order to learn obscure nautical knot tying skills so she could commit suicide in the nude, bloody, muddy, scratched, heavily bound and gagged, with duct tape marks on her legs, by diving over a high balcony railing, disturbing little dust and hanging herself with a rope of unknown origin. This bizarre, one in a million suicide was prompted by an alleged phone call or text message from her fiancee that doesn't appear in her phone records, nor is not shown to exist in any phone records anywhere. All this happens from a room showing spattered blood, a hunk of her hair, an overturned chair, two knives and a bizarre message written in third person on the door, while her husband's enraged ex wife and her sister walk around outside. She's discovered by her SO 's nautical deckhand brother, sleeping in the guest house who awakens early, sees her body hanging from the balcony and dials up some on his I phone, does his thing, then dresses, puts on his boots and goes to the house for coffee, stopping to cut her down, without leaving DNA, and calling 911 to say he found a girl hanging.

Most PD'S would have investigated further instead of hiring a PR consultant, tried to recreate the binding of feet and hands, but not the noose. Nor did they administer polys, fully check every interested party's phone records or attempt to re-enact the bizarre hanging itself.

So much to unpack in this case, perhaps more will be revealed in the discovery process.

Excellent analysis. Deserves to be reposted

 

[inthedark14]

Actually, SDSO's case is a muddled mess, full of assumptions, cherry picked evidence, unasked questions and evidence ignored or not gathered.

The case for suicide is highly unusual. It's a one of a kind scenario, assuming a woman unfamiliar with bond age and knot tying spent an entire day shuttling family around San Diego while doing more than a dozen Internet searches for Asian , anime bondage, etc in order to learn obscure nautical knot tying skills so she could commit suicide in the nude, bloody, muddy, scratched, heavily bound and gagged, with duct tape marks on her legs, by diving over a high balcony railing, disturbing little dust and hanging herself with a rope of unknown origin. This bizarre, one in a million suicide was prompted by an alleged phone call or text message from her fiancee that doesn't appear in her phone records, nor is not shown to exist in any phone records anywhere. All this happens from a room showing spattered blood, a hunk of her hair, an overturned chair, two knives and a bizarre message written in third person on the door, while her husband's enraged ex wife and her sister walk around outside. She's discovered by her SO 's nautical deckhand brother, sleeping in the guest house who awakens early, sees her body hanging from the balcony and dials up some on his I phone, does his thing, then dresses, puts on his boots and goes to the house for coffee, stopping to cut her down, without leaving DNA, and calling 911 to say he found a girl hanging.

Most PD'S would have investigated further instead of hiring a PR consultant, tried to recreate the binding of feet and hands, but not the noose. Nor did they administer polys, fully check every interested party's phone records or attempt to re-enact the bizarre hanging itself.

So much to unpack in this case, perhaps more will be revealed in the discovery process.

As ever Betty...you make such valid points. RZ and MS both deserve answers.

 

[*Lash*]

Great post Betty....you were reading my mind.

Keeping it real, most of us opining or reading Rebecca's threads do not know what really happened. We have our opinions and theories. That's it. Whether suicide or homicide. There may be a few posters privy to unpublished information and their beliefs are likely more solidified.​

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I am a poster who supports and fully understands why Rebecca's family is pursing this case in civil court. From the very beginning this was an unusual case. LE left too many holes then expected the family of the deceased to accept their conclusion. A conclusion wherein relevant evidence was never even tested (i.e.; dog bone). Assumptions were made by LE instead of using scientific proof (i.e.; female underwear). Evidence was lost (i.e.; Jonah's VM). A polygraph with inconclusive results should have been repeated according to poly standards (i.e.; Adam). LE stated there were no signs of a struggle, yet contrary evidence was either not tested or ignored (i.e.; unexplained blunt force trauma, abrasions on the body, overturned chair). Suspicious events (i.e.; an ex DA representing a possible POI photographed standing inside the crime scene, a detective contaminated the scene by walking on the balcony allegedly leaving a print of his boots). Then of course the feat of how a bound Rebecca even made it over the railing on her own. Leaving no DNA evidence on the balcony. A feat in which LE chose not to use their many resources to reenact.


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In the first 24 hours, nothing about Rebecca's death looked to be a suicide. A deceased woman, allegedly found hanging from a balcony, nude, ankles bound, wrists bound behind her back, a shirt stuffed in her mouth and an odd cryptic message painted on a door...it was a very suspicious death. The 2nd day when LE said possible suicide, I assumed they must have found a suicide letter. No suicide note.​

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Unfortunately, LE can get it wrong. It could be an innocent mistake, confirmation bias or something else. It happens. LE called Rebecca's death horrific, suspicious and a possible homicide on day one. Less than 24 hours later LE began floating around the word suicide when all the evidence had yet to be collected and tested. Interviews had not been fully completed. Rebecca's phone had not been powered up. The same phone LE alleged provided them with evidence Rebecca was depressed. 24 hours is not enough time for results to be back on any DNA evidence. Search warrants for phone records and Rady's surveillance were not even requested until weeks later.


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Absolutely, if Rebecca was a member of my family I would not be satisfied with the investigation. Nothing to do with denial, rather because the investigation has too many holes. We're constantly reminded there were 15 investigators and multiple agencies working the case. It doesn't matter how many people were working the case if all the evidence was not tested. Frankly, with all these resources available, it is unacceptable all pertinent evidence was not tested and in a timely manner. The CA Attorney General did decline to reopen the investigation twice. Respectfully, an elective official on President Obama's short list for the next Supreme Court Justice is not going to make waves in her own party. No surprise there, she is a career politician. Interesting to note she did help the Zahau's obtain evidence that LE was withholding from them.​

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Consequently, these are only a few of the many reasons I am here almost 5 years later. Note, my opinion is not based on wealth, religion, corruption, etc...rather a lack of following procedure/protocol with some of evidence. Inconsistency in the investigation.​

 

[burke_dennings]

A linchpin of MZL's murder scenario:

"She was struck four times on the back of the head with a
blunt object by DINA, rendering her unconscious."


There are no injuries to the back of RZ's head noted in the autopsy.

The 4 subgaleal hemorrages noted in the report were on the front/right.

BTW,

Those contusions/bumps likely came from her head hitting the underside of the balcony and against the side of a the wall.

These were not blows from a blunt instrument.

 

[burke_dennings]

It happens all the time when criminals wear gloves and clean up a crime scene before leaving.

That sort of blanket argument doesn't prove that Dina, Nina, and Adam did what MZL is accusing them of doing in the WDS:

"The Defendants were careful to remove any evidence of their involvement, including the disposal of the tape and REBECCA’s clothes. Once the staging was complete, the Defendants fled the scene, instructing ADAM to call the police in the early morning with claims of suicide."

Did these "evil three stooges" bring a black light along in order to see Rebecca's fingerprints so they could leave those and wipe all the others away?

And how would they know which fingerprints belonged to RZ?

 

[*Lash*]

Welcome to WS Burke Dennings :wave:!

How cool, your username is the same as a main character from one of my favorite movies of all time, The Exorcist. Your avatar matches perfectly! He is best remembered for his vulgar language. It was not common language in the era the movie was released. Stunned the audience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exorcist_(film)

Burke Dennings, an eccentric film director and close friend of Chris. His unexplained death while looking after Regan elicits a police homicide investigation.

Kind of cool, happy posting!