Evidence

[Bobbisangel]

How long has it been since this murder took place? Seems that it has been awhile now. Either LE doesn't think the husband is guilty or they don't have any way to prove it. I would think that they checked him out every which way. If he can prove he was at that game and he didn't leave then seems like he is home free.

What ever happened with him going to court about stealing that money? Wasn't he supposed to go in June? I wonder if Jennifer's murder will ever be solved? Does Raven have the baby? Probably huh? A sad case about a nice young lady that deserves justice whether it was her husband who took her life or someone else.

 

[golfmom]

How long has it been since this murder took place? Seems that it has been awhile now. Either LE doesn't think the husband is guilty or they don't have any way to prove it. I would think that they checked him out every which way. If he can prove he was at that game and he didn't leave then seems like he is home free.

What ever happened with him going to court about stealing that money? Wasn't he supposed to go in June? I wonder if Jennifer's murder will ever be solved? Does Raven have the baby? Probably huh? A sad case about a nice young lady that deserves justice whether it was her husband who took her life or someone else.

I don't know if there ever will be Justice for Janet. Sad state of affairs when a bunch of strangers care more about finding her murderer than her own husband does. As fast as he strips the internet of any mention or photo of her, we're busy trying to recreate and memoralize her.

Raven does indeed have Kaiden and is moving on with his life.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

How long has it been since this murder took place? Seems that it has been awhile now. Either LE doesn't think the husband is guilty or they don't have any way to prove it. I would think that they checked him out every which way. If he can prove he was at that game and he didn't leave then seems like he is home free.

What ever happened with him going to court about stealing that money? Wasn't he supposed to go in June? I wonder if Jennifer's murder will ever be solved? Does Raven have the baby? Probably huh? A sad case about a nice young lady that deserves justice whether it was her husband who took her life or someone else.

If I'm not mistaken, the murder was on April 26th. We understand that forensic testing was done, and the computers were taken. Apparently, not only is there a backlog in the forensics lab, there's also a year-long back up in the computer lab and they're looking to hire since their ONE technician just can't keep up, but there's also been a shake-up in LE and the DA's offices. Add to that the fact that Durham has a large number of murders, and I think that in a case where there IS an established alibi, they're going to need to wait on those results before they can be sure enough to make an arrest. Janet's murder, being "not random", probably doesn't take any special priority over any other case if they feel that the public is not in danger from her murderer.

Raven was offered a plea deal, and we still haven't heard whether or not he's going to take it. More information is on the Embezzlement thread. And yes, he does have the baby.

As far as whether or not the murder will ever be solved, I really suspect that it already has been, and now they just have to wait on the factual evidence to come back before they make an arrest. And if Raven IS the perp, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he wasn't smarter than many think - smart enough even to pull off the "perfect" murder.

 

[snapple]

How long has it been since this murder took place? Seems that it has been awhile now. Either LE doesn't think the husband is guilty or they don't have any way to prove it. I would think that they checked him out every which way. If he can prove he was at that game and he didn't leave then seems like he is home free.

What ever happened with him going to court about stealing that money? Wasn't he supposed to go in June? I wonder if Jennifer's murder will ever be solved? Does Raven have the baby? Probably huh? A sad case about a nice young lady that deserves justice whether it was her husband who took her life or someone else.

That's what I am worried about...that maybe LE doesn't have a way to prove it even if they highly suspect that raven as the perp. I think that is where Janet's family needs to get involved. I respect their right to privacy and I don't even try to imagine what they are going through.... But I think now is the time to get in LE's face and make alot of noise. It is amazing what can happen and how fast people can move when the media is involved and the story is on the public's mind.
I think Janet's family has giving LE plenty of quiet time to do their job...now, pressure needs to be put on the dept, if this case was very public, IMO the results of the evidence tested would come ALOT quicker.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

... if this case was very public, IMO the results of the evidence tested would come ALOT quicker.

But would they? I imagine that the evidence from each murder is processed in the order in which it was received. Even low-profile cases need to be solved, and each family deserves answers. Unless it is a child or there are unusual circumstances, I wonder if they would even be allowed to move someone's case up. I don't know; I have no idea what the procedures are. But it would seem terribly unfair if some cases were pushed forward while others ended up getting pushed further and further back. JMO.

 

[snapple]

But would they? I imagine that the evidence from each murder is processed in the order in which it was received. Even low-profile cases need to be solved, and each family deserves answers. Unless it is a child or there are unusual circumstances, I wonder if they would even be allowed to move someone's case up. I don't know; I have no idea what the procedures are. But it would seem terribly unfair if some cases were pushed forward while others ended up getting pushed further and further back. JMO.

I agree, it would be unfair and I don't know what the procedures are either. But in reality, I would not be surprised if high profile cases did in fact get faster results...The media would push for answers, IMO LE would not want to appear slow and inept at getting results...just my thoughts.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

But would they? I imagine that the evidence from each murder is processed in the order in which it was received. Even low-profile cases need to be solved, and each family deserves answers. Unless it is a child or there are unusual circumstances, I wonder if they would even be allowed to move someone's case up. I don't know; I have no idea what the procedures are. But it would seem terribly unfair if some cases were pushed forward while others ended up getting pushed further and further back. JMO.

Just some of the high profile cases we know about: Natalee Holloway's case, hair testing results returned within weeks. When they finally got around to sending Kevin Fox's DNA to the lab, returned quickly. There is no way that a high profile case would take months to return the results when a suspect hasn't even been arrested or even announced. IMO, the public just wouldn't put up with the wait. Unfair, yes but it seems to be a reality. Unfortunately, in Janet's case, no one is screaming loud for action except us here at this forum

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Just some of the high profile cases we know about: Natalee Holloway's case, hair testing results returned within weeks. When they finally got around to sending Kevin Fox's DNA to the lab, returned quickly.

There are two key differences in those cases, however. Natalee's case is international - lots of diplomatic factors could be influencing the direction that that investigation takes, AND the FBI is involved in her case. In Kevin Fox's case, how long was he sitting in prison wrongfully, (okay GM - I admit I was wrong!!! ), before his DNA was finally tested? And the tests in his case were done in order to exonerate him. And wasn't there some sort of hold-up regarding his DNA?

In any case, I guess it doesn't matter. And I don't mean to sound argumentative. I just don't think that we're necessarily at a dead end in this investigation. I'm holding out hope that LE does have evidence, and that in time there will be an arrest, and the correct person will be held responsible for his or her despicable actions.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

There are two key differences in those cases, however. Natalee's case is international - lots of diplomatic factors could be influencing the direction that that investigation takes, AND the FBI is involved in her case. In Kevin Fox's case, how long was he sitting in prison wrongfully, (okay GM - I admit I was wrong!!! ), before his DNA was finally tested? And the tests in his case were done in order to exonerate him. And wasn't there some sort of hold-up regarding his DNA?

In any case, I guess it doesn't matter. And I don't mean to sound argumentative. I just don't think that we're necessarily at a dead end in this investigation. I'm holding out hope that LE does have evidence, and that in time there will be an arrest, and the correct person will be held responsible for his or her despicable actions.

Want me to quote more cases JG??? :blowkiss: . Of course each case will be different but the results seem to be the same (high profile cases get faster results (good or bad).

I think alot of people ended up apologizing for KF!

No argument with what we're holding out hope for. I just don't have much faith in LE in this investigation any longer. They have 1)stated non random with no backup info 2) stated public no need to fear with no backup info 3) haven't leaked info to media like they have in other homicides 4) letting the last person to see her alive roam the countryside with no restrictions 5) no further interrogations of last person to see her alive 6)letting innocent people contribute to a fund that could be financially benefitting Janet's murderer. All of this behavior and statements lead me to believe that they either Raven is innocent, they have no case against him or they botched the case against him. I hope I am wrong but right now their lack of action is speaking as loud as Raven's lack of action!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

(LE is) ... letting innocent people contribute to a fund that could be financially benefitting Janet's murderer.

I hope that this is a case of giving the perp enough rope to hang himself.

All of this behavior and statements lead me to believe that they either Raven is innocent, they have no case against him or they botched the case against him.

I worry about this too.

 

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Originally Posted by ewwwinteresting
(LE is) ... letting innocent people contribute to a fund that could be financially benefitting Janet's murderer.

I hope that this is a case of giving the perp enough rope to hang himself.
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Originally Posted by ewwwinteresting
All of this behavior and statements lead me to believe that they either Raven is innocent, they have no case against him or they botched the case against him.

I worry about this too.


..as do i....

...i read somewhere in here just last night about current elections going on down in NC ...the D.A.'s office etc.....

...can we sincerely hope that politicking didn 't get in the way of this investigation ?

...i would hope that every crime gets it's fair turn, place in line, as far as the lab is concerned ,or else we may see janet 's case being the one pushed back as other "media friendly" cases come up........

...someone killed this young mother, LE owes the public some answers by now.....election time or not...

 

[ewwwinteresting]

...someone killed this young mother, LE owes the public some answers by now.....election time or not...

You tell them lj!

 

[mysteriew]

I am coming into this case cold and have just read through this thread. I have a couple of comments on items raised early on.
First the shoes taken from the house- 1. shoes are hard to clean blood from, and they often collect spatter too small to be seen or noticed. 2. Somehow (don't ask me how) LE can take a pair of shoes and match them to a vehicle. My bro was killed in an auto accident and there was a dispute about who was driving at the time of the accident. State patrol took the shoes of all of the car's occupant's and within a couple of days stated that the owner of the car was driving. So there could be a couple of reasons for collecting the shoes.
The purple shirt- could the purple shirt have been what Raven was wearing before he changed to go to the soccer game? Although I don't know why they wouldn't have collected his pants also.
There has been some discussion here that there may have been three wounds on Janet. A chest wound and also wounds on the hand and shoulder. Hand wounds are normally considered defensive wounds- which by deflecting the stabbing motion, may have resulted in the shoulder wound. So we are probably only talking two stabs here- the intent IMO was to kill, not wound.
Raven tried to help Janet- ok if you walk into a room and see a loved one "hurt" with blood around them- you try to staunch the wound, not give CPR. I haven't seen where a towel or anything else was taken from the home. Unless that is why the purple shirt was taken? Does the search warrant indicate if it was taken at the home that night? There would probably not have been a lot of blood at this scene. Remember that after death, the heart stops and quits pumping blood. This one was quick, and probably not real bloody.
Why no arrests- I don't think the LE hasn't been able to find the murder weapon yet. And with Raven's alibi...........they would have to break that too. IMO he is their suspect. My guess is that the soccer game was close to his home. Did he do it before the game, did he run home during the break, or did he do it after the game? That I am not so sure of. Why is LE being so quiet? It is tactical. They are watching to see what Raven does, where he goes, what he says. Think Peterson, they tailed him while they were waiting.
The fact that they took soil samples from the Durango is interesting.
I have a question. What was Janets relationship with her sister? What do we know about the sister, is she married?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

What was Janets relationship with her sister? What do we know about the sister, is she married?

Janet has several sisters. In fact, she is one of 9 children if I'm recalling correctly. As far as we know, Janet comes from a good, close family. We've heard that at least one of her sisters pleaded with Janet to leave Raven and move in with her but I don't know which sister that was or which sister you're specifically referring to.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

There would probably not have been a lot of blood at this scene. Remember that after death, the heart stops and quits pumping blood. This one was quick, and probably not real bloody.

I tend to agree with this, and I think that the perp planned it that way. S/he didn't want a lot of struggle, a lot of blood, or a lot of chance for Janet to lash out and get the perp's DNA under her fingernails.

It was mentioned that there was a lot of blood under the body but it seems like other than that, there was a smear on a wall. I don't know how much blood spatter there was, if any. IMO, the blood under the body was simply from bleeding, and from bleeding for a while before LE arrived. Her murder probably occured very shortly after (or before) Raven left for the game, and that left approximately 3 hours for her to bleed.

Your analysis for the most part seems to me to be right on. It helps to have a fresh set of eyes to look over everything. After a while, it gets hard to see things objectively.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Why is LE being so quiet? It is tactical. They are watching to see what Raven does, where he goes, what he says. Think Peterson, they tailed him while they were waiting.

The difference in that case though was that they didn't have a body. Janet's body was at the scene. Wouldn't that make it more likely that LE would make a quicker arrest?

The fact that they took soil samples from the Durango is interesting.

We've discussed here & there what that could possibly mean. Was it to verify that the vehicle was at the soccer field? Was it to find out where the vehicle had been and if it was used to dispose of evidence? Etcetera. What's your take on it?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

The purple shirt- could the purple shirt have been what Raven was wearing before he changed to go to the soccer game? Although I don't know why they wouldn't have collected his pants also.

I don't recall if they collected soccer gear either. Does anyone know if Raven played in a uniform, and if so - did they collect that into evidence?

 

[Jenifred]

The purple shirt- could the purple shirt have been what Raven was wearing before he changed to go to the soccer game? Although I don't know why they wouldn't have collected his pants also......Does the search warrant indicate if it was taken at the home that night?

It looks as if the purple shirt was taken from the home on the 26th. Along with the knives, shoes, etc. Or at least that's what I see from this link.
http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=12;w=800
But there is no address in the location found part of the form. But the next page has the same female-style writing and the Abaroa's former address is listed as the location found.

I also enjoyed your post mysteriew! Thanks for joining us here. Fresh opinions are always welcome!!

 

[Jenifred]

Mysteriew--I like the idea of shoes playing a part in this mystery. I didn't ever realize that there were 4 pairs of shoes taken!

sketchers size 10 (black)
nike sandals (black)
adidas size 10 (multi)
Climcool size 10-1/2 (multi)

But they leave the soccer kleats on the doorstep? And where is Raven's bag of soccer gear? Do we really think that LE would not have taken that into evidence if it was lying around the house or inside the car?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

But they leave the soccer kleats on the doorstep? And where is Raven's bag of soccer gear? Do we really think that LE would not have taken that into evidence if it was lying around the house or inside the car?

That's been bothering me to no end. I don't see soccer clothing listed anywhere in the search warrant even though his alibi is that he was playing soccer. It doesn't seem to make sense to me that no soccer gear was collected.