Evidence

[Timex]

Another question I have, and it may have been mentioned already...

Where was Kaiden when LE arrived on the scene?

 

[golfmom]

Another question I have, and it may have been mentioned already...

Where was Kaiden when LE arrived on the scene?

That's another one of those unknowns.

 

[Jesstexas]

I thought the papers in the foyer were noted as being taken from a closet?

Look at the search warrant again - page 13 - when I first read those two lines about the "paper in foyer," I read the descriptions as "closest to door" and "closest to bathroom." When you mentioned "closet," I looked again and you're right - that's exactly what it says. But I think maybe the officer just didn't spell "closest" correctly. "Closet to door" just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Chica]

I just want to add that - from my experience - you NEVER know what you will do if/when you are in a particularly stressful situation. For instance, I had a man break into my apartment (24 years ago); grab my arm when I reached into a dark bedroom to turn on the light; spin me around so my back was facing his front; held me around the neck in the crook of his arm; and hold a knife at my neck. Prior to this happening, I had always 'planned' to cooperate with an assailant - even through a rape - if such a thing would ever happen to me. When in the midst of this assault, I kicked, screamed, yelled, and fought in every and anyway possible. Luckily, I was not physically harmed, as the assailant eventually threw me against a wall and ran out of my apartment . . . but what surprised me more than anything, was the fact that I fought so hard . . . I had previously 'decided' to cooperate, when imaging this situation in my head . . . just an FYI!

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

And keep in mind, these things are all UNCONFIRMED information, just heresay and speculation:

1. That a coworker was indeed communicating electronically with Janet that night.
2. That a coworker actually went to the house that night

For me, I can buy I think that a coworker somehow heard about the case, perhaps on the news, as the timing for that may fit...and then was concerned and went to the house. I'm not AS convinced about this whole IM/email business. And if indeed that WAS happening, IM/email, the timeframe would sure be useful information. As Timex pointed out earlier, being in the middle of electronic communication with someone and that having that person all of the sudden STOP communicating, would not for me anyway, necessarily send up a red flag (unless, of couse, something in the communications themselves was germane).... Example - my electricity will sometimes blink on and off at home. When it does that, it completely shuts down my computer and proceeds to power up and reboot again... If I had been on line communicating with someone, then suddenly I would have just disappeared. If Janet WAS in the middle of IMing, whatever, and Kaiden started crying, she could have been distracted. She could have been distracted by the telephone even.

And, as I posted earlier, in the vein of pure speculation, if we are assuming that all of this was happening late that evening, 10ish?, who knows....but I keep wondering if Janet would be up that late, on the computer, given the fact that she had presumably worked all day, come home, done typical evening things, including possibly feeding and bathing Kaiden, etc.... and then had to get up at least relatively early, presumably, the next day to go back to work. Maybe she did. Maybe not.

I guess if we are making the assumption that she was online with the coworker, simply to make it plausible WHY the coworker would then go over there, I think it might be a stretch.....as we CAN possibly explain the coworkers presence at the scene, based solely on HEARING about a murder on Ferrand, THEN going over there....

 

[Timex]

Chica, I agree, thats why I keep saying I base my opinions on what I "think" would do in a given situation or what I have done in a given situation. Its really all we can base opinions on.

Thats why I asked where Kaiden was. Part of me thinks my response would have been to gather him up and keep him with me while waiting on 911, which could explain why Raven wasnt in the room with Janet when they arrived. Then part of me thinks I would have left him in his crib, and tended to my spouse. But having never been in this situation, I can see both scenario's as reasonable.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Help me out here -

Don't I recall information somewhere that Raven came home, said he checked on Kaiden, then went in the other room and found Janet's body?? I feel certain I remember that information somewhere.... was it reported in the media maybe??

Anyway, it occurs to me, IF Raven got home from the soccer game, went straight upstairs to check on Kaiden, then found Janet -

When he came in the house, wouldn't he have seen the blood on the door? The blood on the carpet on the stairs?

Ok, so maybe he did, and he was then running to check on Kaiden and then found Janet... Plausible I suppose. But I just remember thinking that it just sounded so routine in the way it was described. Versus being frantic when you got home, saw blood, and acted accordingly....

On one other note: do we know if the master bedroom was on the first or second floor of the house?

 

[Timex]

Was the blood on the door they normally used to come and go? Or a different door? As in, could he have entered the house without seeing the blood on the door?

 

[golfmom]

Help me out here -

Don't I recall information somewhere that Raven came home, said he checked on Kaiden, then went in the other room and found Janet's body?? I feel certain I remember that information somewhere.... was it reported in the media maybe??

Anyway, it occurs to me, IF Raven got home from the soccer game, went straight upstairs to check on Kaiden, then found Janet -

When he came in the house, wouldn't he have seen the blood on the door? The blood on the carpet on the stairs?

Ok, so maybe he did, and he was then running to check on Kaiden and then found Janet... Plausible I suppose. But I just remember thinking that it just sounded so routine in the way it was described. Versus being frantic when you got home, saw blood, and acted accordingly....

On one other note: do we know if the master bedroom was on the first or second floor of the house?

I remember that story too. I think it was in the print media when Janet's family was interviewed ... maybe ... let me look around and see if I can find the reference.

 

[Jesstexas]

Was the blood on the door they normally used to come and go? Or a different door? As in, could he have entered the house without seeing the blood on the door?

As I read the search warrant, swabbings were taken from the INTERIOR of the side door and the INTERIOR of the side door storm door (so presumably, that's where the blood was).

Entering the house from the outside, you wouldn't necessarily see blood on the interior of the door, I imagine - I mean, I never look back at the door when I close it - I look at the LOCK on the doorhandle, but not at the whole door.

 

[Timex]

Was the side door the normal door used to enter and exit the house?

 

[Jesstexas]

Was the side door the normal door used to enter and exit the house?

I don't think that's been positively established. There were photos posted of Raven, Janet and Kaiden taken on the FRONT porch which were titled something along the lines of "as we were leaving . . ." Also, the soccer shoes were kept on a little bench right outside the FRONT door, making me think that's where dirty shoes were taken off before entering the house.

But, one of the parking areas for the house was just beyond the SIDE door (there's another parking area in front of the house - from which you'd probably logically use the front door of the house to enter).

I read that the Durango was parked "to the right" of the house - making me think it was parked near the SIDE door. However, we don't know if Raven drove the Durango that night, or if it was home with Janet.

 

[lauriej]

Help me out here -



When he came in the house, wouldn't he have seen the blood on the door? The blood on the carpet on the stairs?

Ok, so maybe he did, and he was then running to check on Kaiden and then found Janet... Plausible I suppose. But I just remember thinking that it just sounded so routine in the way it was described. Versus being frantic when you got home, saw blood, and acted accordingly....

........now that's a very good point, his not reacting to the blood, calmly going in to kiss kaiden good-nite..

...also....i'm a few time zones away from NC, but i've always thought 11 p.m. to be vey late in getting home from a soccer game.....even if the game was 30 minutes or so away....wouldn't it be quite dark at 10:30 when the game ended ?

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Was the side door the normal door used to enter and exit the house?

I'm not sure we know that or not. Part of the driveway comes up beside the house..and if you parked there, the side door would be the most direct entrance. However, as we've seen from pictures, there was also a small bench of some sort that sat by the FRONT door, where in one picture (where Janet is holding Kaiden, on the front porch) you can see a pair of shoes sitting on that bench. (This was pointed out awhile back after NCBanker went to the house and noticed a pair of soccer shoes sitting on that same bench). So that COULD imply that they used the front door I suppose... as the outside bench was maybe a place to put dirty shoes or something?

(There is also I think, correct me here NCBanker if I'm wrong, that there is a parking area in front of the house as well...)

 

[Timex]

Help me out here -



When he came in the house, wouldn't he have seen the blood on the door? The blood on the carpet on the stairs?

Ok, so maybe he did, and he was then running to check on Kaiden and then found Janet... Plausible I suppose. But I just remember thinking that it just sounded so routine in the way it was described. Versus being frantic when you got home, saw blood, and acted accordingly....

........now that's a very good point, his not reacting to the blood, calmly going in to kiss kaiden good-nite..

...also....i'm a few time zones away from NC, but i've always thought 11 p.m. to be vey late in getting home from a soccer game.....even if the game was 30 minutes or so away....wouldn't it be quite dark at 10:30 when the game ended ?

I had just assumed the fields were lighted. I know all of our sports complexes have lighting for night games.

 

[lauriej]

I had just assumed the fields were lighted. I know all of our sports complexes have lighting for night games.

.......oh yes.......makes sense...or i suppose there's even indoor soccer...

...does anyone know how long a soccer game lasts ?

 

[Timex]

.......oh yes.......makes sense...or i suppose there's even indoor soccer...

...does anyone know how long a soccer game lasts ?

Im not positive, but I think there are four 15 or 20 minute quarters.

 

[Timex]

Game structure: A soccer game consists of two halves that must be of equal length in their prescribed duration, with a required timeout for halftime in between. In adult soccer, the prescribed duration is 45 minutes. Local organizations can prescribe shorter, though still equal-length halves (and therefore, games) for youth and adult recreational games.



http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~dgraham/lotg/law07.html

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Here's the quote regarding Raven finding Janet that evening:

"It was their love of soccer, according to family members, that led Raven to go to a soccer game Tuesday night. When he returned, he went to Kaiden's room and kissed him good night. Raven discovered his wife's body moments later in another part of the house, according to one of his brothers."


And here's the link the the article, again WTVD news:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/news/042805_NW_abaroa.html

 

[newkid]

I thought of a couple of things as I tried to catch up here.

Janet was found face up, I think that's in the warrant, but we don't know how Raven found her do we? If she was sitting at the computer or face down or in another position he could have moved her to see if there were something to do to help her. I think without knowing how Raven found her, any of the other scenarios are possible (her sitting at the computer or being chased upstairs).

One other thing about the computer, are there any situations where LE could take it without a warrant? If Raven volunteered to let them check it out or if it were covered in blood or something?