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[Rooster]

Ah, ok, so that's much clearer to me. I assume they "took" the Durango when they came back with the second warrant?

Still curious to me where all these vehicles were on the night of the murder though.... Durango, driveway. VX, possibly on another street with for sale sign. Acura though? Motorcycle though?

But, that does clear up some question I had as to the final disposition of some of them though....

Thanks!

You're Welcome.

 

[Rooster]

Was the Acura with family members before that night? If not, do you know why it wasn't mentioned in the search warrant? And if he drives the VX, why wasn't that listed in the search warrant either?

No, It wasn't with the family before the murder. I don't know where it was during the murder. He's driving the VX now. He was driving the Durango on the night of the murder. Search warrents....who knows....

 

[golfmom]

WOW! That's revealing. He was driving the durango and after interviewing Raven they wanted a 2nd search to determine the vehicle's relationship to the crime! Well, if Raven was driving it and it wasn't at the crime scene when the murder occured then what possible relationship could it have to the crime?

If Raven was driving the VX that night and came home and found Janet murdered and the durango in the driveway. There would be a chance that the murderer messed with the vehicle somehow. But, if it wasn't there ... uhhhhhhhh

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I don't think that the phrase "determining the relationship of the vehicle to the crime" (or however it's phrased) necessarily means that there was one. They could determine the relationship to be non-existent. I think it's just a way of speech.

 

[golfmom]

The only way I can see that blood got in the durango is IF Raven did go to Janet and get blood on himself and then go to the durango to retrieve his cell phone to call police. But, why would he have left his cell phone in the car? Maybe charging . . . and, Why wouldn't he have used the land line?

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

I don't think that the phrase "determining the relationship of the vehicle to the crime" (or however it's phrased) necessarily means that there was one. They could determine the relationship to be non-existent. I think it's just a way of speech.

True, however, keep in mind, according to that report, they went back to search the Durango a second time based on interviewing Raven that Thursday... which would imply to me, that he said SOMETHING that made them go back for a second look, or, as Rooster said, to actually TAKE the Durango....

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

True, however, keep in mind, according to that report, they went back to search the Durango a second time based on interviewing Raven that Thursday... which would imply to me, that he said SOMETHING that made them go back for a second look, or, as Rooster said, to actually TAKE the Durango....

Yes, Raven might have said something that made them think twice. But the wording still does not imply that there IS a relationship between the vehicle and the crime, just that they are in the process of trying to determine that.

 

[Rooster]

The only way I can see that blood got in the durango is IF Raven did go to Janet and get blood on himself and then go to the durango to retrieve his cell phone to call police. But, why would he have left his cell phone in the car? Maybe charging . . . and, Why wouldn't he have used the land line?

You got it! No land line? (I don't think they had a land line. UNCONFIRMED)

 

[golfmom]

But, they did recover swabbings and stains, etc. from the durango that MATCHED the ones in the house.

 

[Rooster]

Yes, Raven might have said something that made them think twice. But the wording still does not imply that there IS a relationship between the vehicle and the crime, just that they are in the process of trying to determine that.

Right!

 

[golfmom]

You got it! No land line?

Rooster are you saying that they had no land line? I could understand that under the financial conditions.

But, Raven would need to have blood on his clothes and shoes to track it through to the durango ... was Raven also the one who tracked the blood through the house as well? Did he in fact try to revive Janet? If he did, how could he mistake it for a gunshot wound? How could he just tell the police that his wife was injured only?

 

[Rooster]

Rooster are you saying that they had no land line? I could understand that under the financial conditions.

But, Raven would need to have blood on his clothes and shoes to track it through to the durango ... was Raven also the one who tracked the blood through the house as well? Did he in fact try to revive Janet? If he did, how could he mistake it for a gunshot wound? How could he just tell the police that his wife was injured only?

He tried... . I have never seen a stab wound or a gunshot wound. I don't think I could tell you the difference. I guess that's what it looked like to him.

He said she was hurt. And she was.

 

[golfmom]

He tried... . I have never seen a stab wound or a gunshot wound. I don't think I could tell you the difference. I guess that's what it looked like to him.

He said she was hurt. And she was.

I'm going to have to sit and ponder this one for awhile.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

You got it! No land line? (I don't think they had a land line. UNCONFIRMED)

They had no land line??? With a baby in the house??? And he leaves them alone at night!!! Did Janet have a cell phone?

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

He tried... .

Wow. That's big news here...and terribly sad..... so I guess that might address our questions on whether Raven had blood on him or not... if he tired to revive her, then most likely he was covered in blood....

Rooster, do you have any info on the soccer game from that evening? Where? When? And what time Raven made it home? I have no doubt, as Timex pointed out earlier, that the police have verified the soccer info...but I'm just curious, especially about what time he made it home, and where he was playing..

Any insight you have would be great!

Thanks!

 

[golfmom]

"Information disclosed during that interview has suggested that further scientific testing is needed to determine the relationship of the vehicle to the homicide," the warrant said.

That is the wording from the article regarding the 2nd search warrant.

 

[golfmom]

They had no land line??? With a baby in the house??? And he leaves them alone at night!!! Did Janet have a cell phone?

It's becoming more popular for people not to have land lines and rely on their cell phones. I can understand them not having one under the financial difficulties they've been having.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

"Information disclosed during that interview has suggested that further scientific testing is needed to determine the relationship of the vehicle to the homicide," the warrant said.

That is the wording from the article regarding the 2nd search warrant.

So that could indeed mean that he claimed to have tried to revive Janet, and possibly transferred blood into the car while getting the phone. (I'll reserve my opinion about why the phone was left in the car - as far as I know, you can't recharge a phone while the ignition is off, can you?) So LE wanted to check it out again to see if it matched his claims. Could it be that LE WAS putting pressure on him? Saying things like "You might as well tell us the truth; we found Janet's blood in your car", (whether or not they actually did), and then Raven added information necessitating the second search warrant?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

It's becoming more popular for people not to have land lines and rely on their cell phones. I can understand them not having one under the financial difficulties they've been having.

That's why I asked if Janet had a cell phone. If she didn't, I wonder if the perp knew that she'd have no way to phone the police.

 

[golfmom]

That's why I asked if Janet had a cell phone. If she didn't, I wonder if the perp knew that she'd have no way to phone the police.

Quite frankly I'd feel comfortable assuming that she did in fact have one if they didn't have a land line. It's so easy to get those family plans now and it's, what, like $10 extra month for a 2nd cell phone?