Evidence

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I think at this point they either know Raven did this, but can't prove it...or they are focusing on someone else. Thats my biggest problem with this case. Raven is the ONLY one we even know to investigate. For all we know, there are others that make even better suspects, but because so little is known about the case, we can't even speculate as to who they may be. IMO the term "not random" is not equal to "Raven did it".

Well put. That's why I began to speculate on the babysitter. Right now, that's one of the people that we know that Janet probably had contact with. Co-workers of course. But who else - I have no idea.

 

[Hummingbird]

Ah, ok, so that's much clearer to me. I assume they "took" the Durango when they came back with the second warrant?

Still curious to me where all these vehicles were on the night of the murder though.... Durango, driveway. VX, possibly on another street with for sale sign. Acura though? Motorcycle though?

But, that does clear up some question I had as to the final disposition of some of them though....

Thanks!

The photos from the house (Thanks, NC Banker!) showed a driveway along the side of the house, and a "parking area" that seemed to be in the front of the house. Could the other vehicle(s) have been there, and/or not mentioned in the warrant since they weren't the object of the search?

 

[lauriej]

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I was out this weekend in the beautiful spring weather practically crying because I am going to have to part with this wonderful bike. I checked the mileage and its under 6500. The bikes got a few scratches from not getting the boot over and from the garage, but is in very good shape. It was garage kept the last 3 years (one year in a parking garage in downtown Charlotte, but garaged nonetheless) but since August its been either in our storage shed in the back of our property or covered in the driveway as I haven't had a garage since I bought this house. I can be reached at raven.abaroa@gmail for more details or pics. SORRY, no trades as I've got to unload to pay bills and decrease debt to income ratio!!! TO SEE PICTURES OF THIS BEAUTY, PLEASE GO TO: http://www.pocketpcguy.com/

Modified by NC_VX at 7:08 AM 3/7/2005



............above in reference to the bike ( ducati)...

...along with so many others, since they had the bike...the acura...the durango....the VX on the nite of the murder.......................only the dodge durango is listed on the warrant ???

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

The photos from the house (Thanks, NC Banker!) showed a driveway along the side of the house, and a "parking area" that seemed to be in the front of the house. Could the other vehicle(s) have been there, and/or not mentioned in the warrant since they weren't the object of the search?

I don't know. But I do know that if they only searched one out of 3 or 4 vehicles, I would think that they bungled the investigation. You can't just take a guy's word for it that he used this car as opposed to that one, IMO.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

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I was out this weekend in the beautiful spring weather practically crying because I am going to have to part with this wonderful bike. I checked the mileage and its under 6500. The bikes got a few scratches from not getting the boot over and from the garage, but is in very good shape.It was garage kept the last 3 years (one year in a parking garage in downtown Charlotte, but garaged nonetheless) but since August its been either in our storage shed in the back of our property or covered in the driveway as I haven't had a garage since I bought this house. I can be reached at raven.abaroa@gmail for more details or pics. SORRY, no trades as I've got to unload to pay bills and decrease debt to income ratio!!! TO SEE PICTURES OF THIS BEAUTY, PLEASE GO TO: http://www.pocketpcguy.com/

Modified by NC_VX at 7:08 AM 3/7/2005

First of all, thanks for pointing out that there IS a storage shed in the back of the property. For some reason, I never picked up on that as many times as I've read that post!

Secondly, I was looking for a similar post that he had made in March about having to part with one of his vehicles. He sounded very sad in the post about having to sell, and almost sounded as if he was trying to talk himself into thinking that it was the best thing to do. I searched just now but can't find it. It was definitely in March if I'm remembering correctly.

We've heard mention on and off over a fairly long period of time of maybe selling, maybe not, maybe selling ... on and on and on. What happened in March, I wonder, that made it seem like he finally made the realization that he was going to have to start actually selling them, and not just talking about it? Was it that his free rent was up in a month, and things hadn't gotten better? So not only do we start seeing him facing the reality of having to sell in March 2005, we also hear in his posts the dismay at having to do so.

Lauriej, if you come across the post(s) about having to part with his vehicles, also from around this time, can you post it(them) together with the post you have above. I'd like to see them next to each other but can't find it right now myself.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Timex -

Do you know, or does anyone know, if the actual police report, at least from that first night is generally ever released in an on-going investigation?

There are RUMORS zipping around that the "police report" has been or is going to be released.

 

[Timex]

Timex -

Do you know, or does anyone know, if the actual police report, at least from that first night is generally ever released in an on-going investigation?

There are RUMORS zipping around that the "police report" has been or is going to be released.

Ive seen it go both ways...some have never been released, and some are released long before a case is solved. I know here, anyone can go down to the police station and get a copy of a police report. Now, that said, sometimes names are blocked out to protect privacy.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

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5:54 AM 3/7/2005 [url="http://images.zeroforum.com/default/zero2/reply_sm.gif"]http://images.zeroforum.com/default/zero2/reply_sm.gif[/url]http://speedzilla.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=38942
I was out this weekend in the beautiful spring weather practically crying because I am going to have to part with this wonderful bike. I checked the mileage and its under 6500. The bikes got a few scratches from not getting the boot over and from the garage, but is in very good shape. It was garage kept the last 3 years (one year in a parking garage in downtown Charlotte, but garaged nonetheless) but since August its been either in our storage shed in the back of our property or covered in the driveway as I haven't had a garage since I bought this house. I can be reached at raven.abaroa@gmail for more details or pics. SORRY, no trades as I've got to unload to pay bills and decrease debt to income ratio!!! TO SEE PICTURES OF THIS BEAUTY, PLEASE GO TO: http://www.pocketpcguy.com/

Modified by NC_VX at 7:08 AM 3/7/2005

Here's one from one of your previous posts about selling the VX in January 2005. I could have sworn that there was one in March that was longer than this one but perhaps I'm mistaken. In any case, we know that the VX was never sold since he drove it to Janet's funeral. Who would have ever thought that young Janet's death would occur before the sale of that VX?

NC_VX
01/25/2005, 05:37 PM

I appreciate the props . That was my one and only event so far and I loved it... I won't be off the VX train for long if I do sell. Right now I continue to job hunt hard and hope to make it through this!

 

[Timex]

Something to keep in mind when wondering why things are or are not happening etc.

This is not a high profile case, so things we often see or hear won't be happening. Now, it could be LE doesnt want this to become a high profile case, so are working quietly to get things done. High profile cases cost more to prosecute, and often become a circus. As much as we like knowing what is going on, for prosecutors, defense attorney's, law enforcement etc,


high profile = nightmare.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Ive seen it go both ways...some have never been released, and some are released long before a case is solved. I know here, anyone can go down to the police station and get a copy of a police report. Now, that said, sometimes names are blocked out to protect privacy.

Really? Now that's interesting. Something to check on locally, for sure.

And if your area, if this case were there, the same would hold true you think? (Meaning for an open investigation homicide).

 

[Timex]

Really? Now that's interesting. Something to check on locally, for sure.

And if your area, if this case were there, the same would hold true you think? (Meaning for an open investigation homicide).

Yes, I think so. There is an entire page in every Thursdays paper devoted to police reports. There is one section called "police blotter" which is police reports that were filed that week. Then there is a section for dispositions...which lists who got what sentence in any trials or pleas that were entered during the week.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Good points about the high-profile cases, Timex. So I guess LE DOES have a reason to keep things in an investigation as quiet as possible.

 

[Timex]

Good points about the high-profile cases, Timex. So I guess LE DOES have a reason to keep things in an investigation as quiet as possible.

Yes, there are reasons, but I am still of the opinion the media decides what is or is not high profile. I know some have contacted various media sources who say there is nothing to report, but I dont buy that. The media could put pressure on this case if they so desired. For whatever reason, the media doesnt see this case as a money maker. For Gawds sake, they chased every fart Jennifer Wilbanks passed, even AFTER she was found safe..they continue to cover her case. WHY? Because it sells. The media could find an angle to cover in this case if they so desired.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Which begs the question ... what angle might there be in this story that would catch the media's attention?

 

[Timex]

Which begs the question ... what angle might there be in this story that would catch the media's attention?

Well, police have publically stated there is no need for citizens to worry, because this wasnt a random crime. If Im not supposed to be worried, I would sure be expecting them to at least give me reason not to.

If I were media I would be asking...

"So chief, you said this wasnt random...told me not to worry...so just who killed Janet? Why should I not be worried since a murderer is still walking our streets?"

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

"So chief, you said this wasnt random...told me not to worry...so just who killed Janet? Why should I not be worried since a murderer is still walking our streets?"

Yeah, but unfortunately, that kind of thing happens frequently. What is it that makes this case different than others? That's what I'm trying to come up with. If we can find something that makes this case unique, makes this case worthwhile for the media, then maybe they'd get on it, and see to it that it gets solved.

 

[Timex]

Yeah, but unfortunately, that kind of thing happens frequently. What is it that makes this case different than others? That's what I'm trying to come up with. If we can find something that makes this case unique, makes this case worthwhile for the media, then maybe they'd get on it, and see to it that it gets solved.

I was under the impression that murder is NOT common in the area they lived. Are there so many murders that folks don't even notice them any more?

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Well, police have publically stated there is no need for citizens to worry, because this wasnt a random crime. If Im not supposed to be worried, I would sure be expecting them to at least give me reason not to.

If I were media I would be asking...

"So chief, you said this wasnt random...told me not to worry...so just who killed Janet? Why should I not be worried since a murderer is still walking our streets?"

My opinion -

This may sound cold and harsh, and I'm local even and not one to disparage the area in which I live typically, but, Durham, in general, does in fact have a LOT of crime, per capita, including murders. And my sense is, that people sometimes almost become desensitized to these things, UNLESS, it's some sort of high profile crime from the get-go, i.e., some socially prominent person, a serial thing, the murder of a child, something that just SOUNDS sensational from the start... And I TRULY hate saying this, but for all intents and purposes, this particular case has none of those elements. So it's easy for some people to forget about it..."another murder in Durham", etc.

I KNOW that sounds harsh. But I really do believe it's the reality.

So the key is -

to somehow FORCE the issue with the media. Make then realize that SOMEONE(S) does in fact CARE ABOUT THIS CASE.

I listed in frustration the other day in number of angles that might be used by the media to pursue this case. And that was off the top of my head. And I'm NOT a media person.

 

[Timex]

SES..thats my point exactly. And I want to be careful how I word this, as to not come off sounding "uppity" or not being politically correct.

We arent talking some city crime here, where a drug deal went bad...or folks were running a meth lab from the house etc. We arent talking a drive by reliation murder. We have a young mother murdered in her home in an area that is said to be "a nice neighborhood". That sets it apart from 99% of the other murders IMO.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

One of the problems, IMO, is that neither Janet nor Raven seem to have any family in NC. They have no roots there. No "long-time Durham resident" angle, etc. And from what we hear, Janet's family is allowing LE to do their jobs without pressuring them. That's very noble yet at the same time, if there's no pressure, and no local connection that needs to be satisified, is it a priority to the LE in Durham?