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I may be alone in this belief, but Raven strikes me as being very smart. I'm not being a smart 🤬🤬s but is there something that I've missed that has others believing that there's no way that he could have pulled this off; that he's not smart enough?
 
SouthEastSleuth said:
I also agree that there "has to be other evidence." Raven may BE smart, but the smartest of criminals are hard pressed to beat the realm of science. My money is on crime scene evidence, and that the delay is somehow in the processing of that evidence at the crime lab.
And it could be that there's a mountain of circumstantial evidence that alone might be enough to convict. But if you've got potential forensics waiting to be tested, why chance making an arrest and being forced to go to trial without having the results back yet?
 
SouthEastSleuth said:
(I realize this post is terribly long, and I apologize in advanceÂ… but walking through this thought process seemed to warrant, to me anyway, a good deal of detailÂ… so bear with it if you can, as I would appreciate all sorts of thoughts, opinions, and feedback from you all!)










So, letÂ’s think about RoosterÂ’s statement about that night.

Rooster explained the blood on the interiors of the side doors by saying that Raven had been up with Janet, must have gotten her blood on him while trying to "save" her, went to call 911, realizes the phone is in the Durango, runs out the side door – depositing blood on the interior of the door frame, and the interior of the storm door. OK. Then Rooster says that Raven got to the Durango, realized it was locked. Presumably at this point touching the exterior of the Durango door, and, possibly the window (both things as evidenced by the exterior swabbings taken during the initial search of the Durango). Now then, according to Rooster’s story, the blood on the house interior doors is accounted for, and, if in fact the swabbings from the exterior Durango doors is blood, then that is now accounted for as well. Janet’s blood, on Raven, innocently deposited in both of those locations as Raven frantically is trying to get to a phone to call 911.



-Or, if Raven said he never opened the door of the Durango when he ran out to look for the cellphone, at the point when he deposited JanetÂ’s blood on the EXTERIOR of the door, then in theory, there should be NONE of JanetÂ’s blood in the INTERIOR of the vehicle. Thus, could LE have been checking the INTERIOR to see if there WAS any blood, or not?


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.......excellent excellent SES........LOTS to think about in your post...

..about the blood........i never realized before just how key it is in WHICH phone he called 911 from...

...if his own, which he got frrom the locked truck, after trying to revive janet, then there has to blood on both the exterior and interior of the durango

...if janet's then not a speck of her blood should be IN the durango...
...( i do realize i'm just repeating what you just said....i'm just isolating this particular portion of your post because of the wow factor..)

...either way, only ONE of the phones should have blood on it..........and one of them definitely HAS to have blood on it...and fresh blood at that..
...i also don't think he would have left kaiden in the crib while he waited for LE to arrive......therefore kaiden's clothes have to have blood on them as well...

...as in the jeffrey mcdonald case, i can see the blood evidence being a huge factor in this case....
 
Jenifred said:
I don't think Raven could have outsmarted LE. There's got to be something that was left behind. Could LE have missed it?

And I also agree with an earlier post of your ewww saying that it's time for Janet's family to go public. It's been too long for silence now.

Could NC LE be planning something for the 22nd?
Question for you Jenifred and anyone else. If you were a member of Janet's family and the detectives in charge of this case directly told you not to go public with any information they shared with you, (even when you asked them if there wasn't just a little piece that could be shared with the media) because it would jeopardize the case, would you go againist their request and speak out?
 
Moxie said:
Question for you Jenifred and anyone else. If you were a member of Janet's family and the detectives in charge of this case directly told you not to go public with any information they shared with you, (even when you asked them if there wasn't just a little piece that could be shared with the media) because it would jeopardize the case, would you go againist their request and speak out?
If the family knows what is going on, knows what evidence there is, who that evidence is pointing to, and if there is solid evidence against the perp, then no, they should keep quiet. BUT if LE is giving them the run around, they need to break their silence.

It's almost 3 months since Janet's death and there have only been short blurbs and trite statements asking for the public's help. It's been pathetic at best.

And what really could the family say that could hinder LE's investigation? If Raven is their POI, do they really think that coming out and saying so would make the bird fly? If that's the case then the Durham PD needs to clip that raven's feathers, if you catch my drift.
 
Moxie said:
Question for you Jenifred and anyone else. If you were a member of Janet's family and the detectives in charge of this case directly told you not to go public with any information they shared with you, (even when you asked them if there wasn't just a little piece that could be shared with the media) because it would jeopardize the case, would you go againist their request and speak out?

There would be no reason for LE to ask Raven to not speak out and help their investigation by asking the public for help. If I was Raven, nothing could prevent me from doing everything within my power to ensure justice for my spouse, including, but not limited to, talking to the media.

Why should he (if innocent) suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous accusations and speculations, when he could easily address the media in a search for Justice for Janet and put it all to rest.

Speak up Raven, let everyone know who Janet was and why it is important for her murderer to be found. Speak up and let the world know that you really did love her.

In this particular case, the only reason I can find for being silent is guilt.
 
golfmom said:
There would be no reason for LE to ask Raven to not speak out and help their investigation by asking the public for help. If I was Raven, nothing could prevent me from doing everything within my power to ensure justice for my spouse, including, but not limited to, talking to the media.

Why should he (if innocent) suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous accusations and speculations, when he could easily address the media in a search for Justice for Janet and put it all to rest.

Speak up Raven, let everyone know who Janet was and why it is important for her murderer to be found. Speak up and let the world know that you really did love her.

In this particular case, the only reason I can find for being silent is guilt.
With this I agree 120%. I want to hear from Raven. I want him to tell everyone what he is doing on a daily basis to find out who killed Janet.
 
It's almost 3 months since Janet's death and there have only been short blurbs and trite statements asking for the public's help. It's been pathetic at best. And what really could the family say that could hinder LE's investigation? If Raven is their POI, do they really think that coming out and saying so would make the bird fly? If that's the case then the Durham PD needs to clip that ven's feathers, if you catch my drift.[/QUOTE]

And that is just it, isn't it. Such a fine line. The struggle between instant gratification and the need to comply. Do what your asked, or decide that too much time has passed and risk blowing everything. Well, I thought about this long and hard and I think if it was me, I would do what LE requested in order to see the guilty party rot in jail. So you see that is why I think that Janet's family hasn't spoke out. I know them pretty well and I think they would have said something if they could. The only reason I can think for them to remain silent is that they are being asked to. They want to see this case solved in order to gain some amount of closure. I think if they thought they could get the case solved on their own or with the help of the public, they would be speaking out.
 
Moxie said:
And that is just it, isn't it. Such a fine line. The struggle between instant gratification and the need to comply. Do what your asked, or decide that too much time has passed and risk blowing everything. Well, I thought about this long and hard and I think if it was me, I would do what LE requested in order to see the guilty party rot in jail. So you see that is why I think that Janet's family hasn't spoke out. I know them pretty well and I think they would have said something if they could. The only reason I can think for them to remain silent is that they are being asked to. They want to see this case solved in order to gain some amount of closure. I think if they thought they could get the case solved on their own or with the help of the public, they would be speaking out.
I'm obviously not family, and who knows how one would react if in that same situation - it's always easy to speculate objectively, but when faced with the reality of a truly horrible situation, who knows how any of us might react.

To me, it comes down to two simple things - faith and trust.

As long as Janet's family has faith that LE is doing all it can to bring Janet's murderer to justice, then respecting the wishes of LE seems logical.

As long as Janet's family trusts LE, as far as the way LE is handling the case, communicating potentially with the family, etc., then again, respecting the wishes of LE seems logical.

That said, I would think that if ever the family feels like the investigation has stopped, come to a dead in, what have you, that they would be the first to put any and all pressure possible on LE, either directly or via media pressure.

Day after day it is so frustrating at times with regards to this case. And I think often we think, 'what else can we do'? And it's easy to then focus on the families...and what WE think THEY should or should not be doing...but remember, we are NOT those families. We care, obviously. But, it's not our daughter, sister, friend who's gone. I, for one, have to have faith as well - that if LE asks the family to remain silent at this juncture, that there's a reason, and presumably an important one.

When I refer to families, I don't really even classify Raven there, as I think a spouse is somewhat in a class by themselves. Raven's wife has been murdered; the mother of his child has been murdered. So unless LE has given HIM that same directive, not to speak, then he should be shouting from the rooftops in my opinion - not just professing his innocence, but looking for justice for his wife.

I agree with what someone else wrote earlier - the silence is indeed deafening - but the voice I'd like to hear, is not a family member, but, of Raven himself.
 
SouthEastSleuth said:
I'm obviously not family, and who knows how one would react if in that same situation - it's always easy to speculate objectively, but when faced with the reality of a truly horrible situation, who knows how any of us might react.

To me, it comes down to two simple things - faith and trust.

As long as Janet's family has faith that LE is doing all it can to bring Janet's murderer to justice, then respecting the wishes of LE seems logical.

As long as Janet's family trusts LE, as far as the way LE is handling the case, communicating potentially with the family, etc., then again, respecting the wishes of LE seems logical.
Ok, here's my :twocents: . If I was going to be quiet, LE would have to be telling me a whole lot of what was going on. I would have to be assured that they KNEW exactly who the murderer was, that they HAVE evidence, and that they are waiting for results, and that the results should be back by this date, etc. I would not accept blanket statements like, be patient, we are working on it or we have it under control, don't worry. I would politely, but firmly, advise them that this was my daughter, sister, whatever, and that I am going to do EVERYTHING in my power to find this awful human being and bring him to justice. If they wanted me to shut up, they better be telling me why! I think there are so many families that are naive and believe everything LE tells them.....as their case goes cold, evidence gone, possible witnesses no longer remember and then it is too late for the family to do anything. You gotta hit while there still is a fire!
 
ewwwinteresting said:
Ok, here's my :twocents: . If I was going to be quiet, LE would have to be telling me a whole lot of what was going on. I would have to be assured that they KNEW exactly who the murderer was, that they HAVE evidence, and that they are waiting for results, and that the results should be back by this date, etc. I would not accept blanket statements like, be patient, we are working on it or we have it under control, don't worry. I would politely, but firmly, advise them that this was my daughter, sister, whatever, and that I am going to do EVERYTHING in my power to find this awful human being and bring him to justice. If they wanted me to shut up, they better be telling me why! I think there are so many families that are naive and believe everything LE tells them.....as their case goes cold, evidence gone, possible witnesses no longer remember and then it is too late for the family to do anything. You gotta hit while there still is a fire!
Or at least while there's still smoke!!!!..It seems the fire has been smothered with silence.
 
Moxie said:
And that is just it, isn't it. Such a fine line. The struggle between instant gratification and the need to comply. Do what your asked, or decide that too much time has passed and risk blowing everything. Well, I thought about this long and hard and I think if it was me, I would do what LE requested in order to see the guilty party rot in jail. So you see that is why I think that Janet's family hasn't spoke out. I know them pretty well and I think they would have said something if they could. The only reason I can think for them to remain silent is that they are being asked to. They want to see this case solved in order to gain some amount of closure. I think if they thought they could get the case solved on their own or with the help of the public, they would be speaking out.
I can understand this point and wanting to comply, but I believe it's to the point that TOO MUCH time has passed. I don't understand what exactly there is to blow??? IMO, if there is anything to blow, it's the opportunity to get the story out to the media so that anybody and everybody that saw something or knows something can come forward. After this amount of time there needs to be pressure on LE to back up the "not random..public doesn't need to fear" statement.
 
ewwwinteresting said:
Ok, here's my :twocents: . If I was going to be quiet, LE would have to be telling me a whole lot of what was going on. I would have to be assured that they KNEW exactly who the murderer was, that they HAVE evidence, and that they are waiting for results, and that the results should be back by this date, etc. I would not accept blanket statements like, be patient, we are working on it or we have it under control, don't worry. I would politely, but firmly, advise them that this was my daughter, sister, whatever, and that I am going to do EVERYTHING in my power to find this awful human being and bring him to justice. If they wanted me to shut up, they better be telling me why! I think there are so many families that are naive and believe everything LE tells them.....as their case goes cold, evidence gone, possible witnesses no longer remember and then it is too late for the family to do anything. You gotta hit while there still is a fire!
......i agree ..........sure LE can easily be telling the family to be patient....rest assured....we're doing all we can.......we're awaiting forensics.....blah blah blah...

...but...........cases DO go cold..............people move on to the next one........are they missing the media appeal on this one ? witnesses? how can they remember forever where they were on april 26th ?

...i respect the wishes of her family............but raven................i cannot understand for the life of me why HE has not spoken out ????his wife was murdered.............he didn't do it.(?)..........why isn't he all over the web with info..demanding answers...asking for help....defending himself...

...goood grief, even sp had janey online on his side.....

...raven has siblings....family.....where are their comments to the media ?comments in defense of raven ?
...correct me if i'm wrong, but the only thing i've seen attributed to raven's side has been a blatant begging for $$$$$'s through the church.........
 
Note: I have received this information from more than one independent source. That said, I do not have anyway to actually verify it. But, for what it's worth, I personally feel 100% confident in the veracity of this information.



It has come to my attention that on the evening of April 26th, Raven and Janet's Mormon hometeachers (I am not certain of the number, if there was one hometeacher, or, more than one) were actually at the house that evening. It is my understanding they arrived at the house on Ferrand around 7:00pm, and ultimately left the house around 7:30pm.

This is important for several reasons -

1. Other than the murderer, this/these person(s) would have most likely been the last person(s) to see Janet alive. It would obviously be important to know their impressions of Raven and Janet that evening. What was discussed? Did anything seem "off" or out of the norm? What sort of mood were the Abaroa's in?

(I have no idea if this was a regularly scheduled visit, a random "drop by" visit, or what. But, do recall, from that picture from the day before I believe, where Raven is working on the computer, with Kaiden in his lap, the caption for that picture, as I recall, mentioned something to the effect of 'Kaiden helping Daddy with his hometeaching lesson.' So perhaps the visit on Tuesday night was planned, and on Monday Raven was preparing for that particular lesson/visit.)

2. This tightens the timeframe for the murder at least a little. Obviously we would know that Janet was still very much alive as of 7:30pm that evening. As I recall, EI, or someone, posted long ago that they had rec'd unconfirmed information that Raven had played soccer at 8:30pm, but as I recall, that information was never actually confirmed. So, if Raven is the perp, and if he murdered Janet PRIOR to playing soccer, then the timeframe for the actual murder would be 7:30pm - 8:30pm, IF Raven did in fact play soccer at 8:30. Keeping in mind, too, depending on WHERE he played, the timeline would be shortened by his travel time to the soccer field.

3. But FACTUALLY, we can say that Janet was alive at 7:30pm. And the 911 call was rec'd at 10:58pm. Three hours and thirty minutes, more or less, to account for.
 
SouthEastSleuth said:
(I have no idea if this was a regularly scheduled visit, a random "drop by" visit, or what. But, do recall, from that picture from the day before I believe, where Raven is working on the computer, with Kaiden in his lap, the caption for that picture, as I recall, mentioned something to the effect of 'Kaiden helping Daddy with his hometeaching lesson.' So perhaps the visit on Tuesday night was planned, and on Monday Raven was preparing for that particular lesson/visit.)
Usually they do make an appointment to come by. A hometeaching visit occurs once a month. And a lot of the time it is done at the end of the month because numbers are recorded at the beginning of the month. And they more than likely come in pairs.
 
JerseyGirl said:
I may be alone in this belief, but Raven strikes me as being very smart. I'm not being a smart 🤬🤬s but is there something that I've missed that has others believing that there's no way that he could have pulled this off; that he's not smart enough?
No I'm with you. I think he is smart. My husband has commented that he is a smart guy who sometimes didn't look so smart because he was looking for the easy way around things.
 
That is important info, SES. Any member of Janet and Raven's ward would know who the home teachers were. I wish we could talk to them or they felt comfortable coming forward with their impressions of that evening.

Did we ever determine if the field where Raven played had lights? I remember we discussed that a few weeks ago. And 8:30pm in April would have made it pretty dark for a game.
 
snapple said:
I can understand this point and wanting to comply, but I believe it's to the point that TOO MUCH time has passed. I don't understand what exactly there is to blow??? IMO, if there is anything to blow, it's the opportunity to get the story out to the media so that anybody and everybody that saw something or knows something can come forward. After this amount of time there needs to be pressure on LE to back up the "not random..public doesn't need to fear" statement.
We have to remember, though, that we have NO idea what the family is being told. If they are keeping quiet, it is for a reason. I truly believe that. I also truly believe that LE is keeping them updated, and that they know a lot more than we do.
 
SouthEastSleuth said:
I have no idea if this was a regularly scheduled visit, a random "drop by" visit, or what. But, do recall, from that picture from the day before I believe, where Raven is working on the computer, with Kaiden in his lap, the caption for that picture, as I recall, mentioned something to the effect of 'Kaiden helping Daddy with his hometeaching lesson.' So perhaps the visit on Tuesday night was planned, and on Monday Raven was preparing for that particular lesson/visit
I'm sure it was scheduled, and if Raven is the perp., was part of the reason that night was chosen. The tighter the timeframe, the harder it will be to poke holes in it.
 
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