Evidence

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

No I'm with you. I think he is smart. My husband has commented that he is a smart guy who sometimes didn't look so smart because he was looking for the easy way around things.

Am I remembering correctly that your husband worked with Raven?

 

[newkid]

Am I remembering correctly that your husband worked with Raven?

Yes he did

 

[Moxie]

No I'm with you. I think he is smart. My husband has commented that he is a smart guy who sometimes didn't look so smart because he was looking for the easy way around things.

Please know that I am hoping against hope that Raven is not involved in Janet's murder. But since he is not talking, is completely silent, and has a defense attorney, I don't have a lot of faith that Raven is not involved with the death of his wife.

Given that, your husband's insight is interesting. I wonder - since Raven is viewed as being very smart, but tends to look for the easy way around things, would that include being deeply in debt and looking for an "easy" way out, such as maybe cashing in a life insurance policy on his wife? As opposed to getting a job to pay down his debts. Oh, wait... He can't get a job because the background check and references would show an arrest for felony embezzlement, and not many, if any, companies would hire someone with an embezzlement charge.

Would the "easy way out" be Janet's life insurance policy?

 

[golfmom]

Would the "easy way out" be Janet's life insurance policy?

If he was counting on a big pay day from the life insurance he miscalculated AGAIN just like the car fire.

 

[snapple]

We have to remember, though, that we have NO idea what the family is being told. If they are keeping quiet, it is for a reason. I truly believe that. I also truly believe that LE is keeping them updated, and that they know a lot more than we do.

You are right, we have no idea what the family is being told or NOT BEING TOLD. Like GM said, the road to a cold case is paved with good intentions.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

If he was counting on a big pay day from the life insurance he miscalculated AGAIN just like the car fire.

Well, aren't we just full of the good liners today GM:clap: !

I think you have hit it right twice today.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Yes he did

Hey NK....do you know if Raven got into arguments or fights with anyone at work? Anybody see manic symptoms or depression or a temper?

 

[ewwwinteresting]

......i agree ..........sure LE can easily be telling the family to be patient....rest assured....we're doing all we can.......we're awaiting forensics.....blah blah blah...

...but...........cases DO go cold..............people move on to the next one........are they missing the media appeal on this one ? witnesses? how can they remember forever where they were on april 26th ?

...i respect the wishes of her family............but raven................i cannot understand for the life of me why HE has not spoken out ????his wife was murdered.............he didn't do it.(?)..........why isn't he all over the web with info..demanding answers...asking for help....defending himself...

...goood grief, even sp had janey online on his side.....

...raven has siblings....family.....where are their comments to the media ?comments in defense of raven ?
...correct me if i'm wrong, but the only thing i've seen attributed to raven's side has been a blatant begging for $$$$$'s through the church.........

I think we pretty much know why Raven isn't speaking out...or his family. Why give LE anything they don't have on him already?

My question....is ANYBODY else talking about this case except here at WS? I can't find one other site. So no internet coverage, no media coverage, LE tightlipped. I'm wondering if the family would have spoken out if we weren't? Would they have contacted the media? I'm thinking probably not. So, it goes back to SES's statement....the family must have faith and trust in LE. You just kinda have to hope it's not misplaced. They probably had faith and trust in Raven at one time too.

 

[Jenifred]

I was thinking about SES's post, I mean novel, and about the idea that blood can only be on the exterior of the car to coinside with Rooster's account of Raven's activity the night Janet was murdered. And I've come up with a few questions of my own. Anyone want to help me get this straight in my head?

1. What is the difference between a swabbing and trace? Is swabbing a general term for just sweeping an item to find if there is something on it? And does trace mean that they found something, like a small spot of blood, and they are going to get a sample to have analyzed?

2. If LE was looking for something inside of the car, why didn't they swab more items that Raven would have touched--like the gear shift, the steering wheel, radio knobs, directionals, etc. To see if there is any of Janet's blood there. And if there was, wouldn't this prove that Janet's murder took place before Raven left--since there are indications that he was driving, fiddling with the radio, putting his turn signal on, and doing all of the things that one would do while driving?

Now if LE found something inside of the car and that discredits Raven's account of what happened, then this is definately the rope from which Raven will be hung. Thanks again for the thoughful post, SES!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

You are right, we have no idea what the family is being told or NOT BEING TOLD. Like GM said, the road to a cold case is paved with good intentions.

I hope I didn't offend you. My opinion was only referring back to what Moxie had asked - that if we were in this situation, and LE asked us not to speak out, would we do it and risk messing things up? I only meant to state my beliefs about Janet's family's silence, and that I thought that there must be a good reason why they have not spoken to the media. If I offended you, I truly apologize.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

I hope I didn't offend you. My opinion was only referring back to what Moxie had asked - that if we were in this situation, and LE asked us not to speak out, would we do it and risk messing things up? I only meant to state my beliefs about Janet's family's silence, and that I thought that there must be a good reason why they have not spoken to the media. If I offended you, I truly apologize.

JG, I don't you offended snapple at all. I think snapple was just stating her opinion also.

 

[lauriej]

I was thinking about SES's post, I mean novel, and about the idea that blood can only be on the exterior of the car to coinside with Rooster's account of Raven's activity the night Janet was murdered. And I've come up with a few questions of my own. Anyone want to help me get this straight in my head?

1. What is the difference between a swabbing and trace? Is swabbing a general term for just sweeping an item to find if there is something on it? And does trace mean that they found something, like a small spot of blood, and they are going to get a sample to have analyzed?

2. If LE was looking for something inside of the car, why didn't they swab more items that Raven would have touched--like the gear shift, the steering wheel, radio knobs, directionals, etc. To see if there is any of Janet's blood there. And if there was, wouldn't this prove that Janet's murder took place before Raven left--since there are indications that he was driving, fiddling with the radio, putting his turn signal on, and doing all of the things that one would do while driving?

Now if LE found something inside of the car and that discredits Raven's account of what happened, then this is definately the rope from which Raven will be hung. Thanks again for the thoughful post, SES!

...i think it was jerseygirl that posted a very detailed post on the crime scene stuff....trace...swabbings....etc....and what it all means........( and i looked for it but can't find it...)
...please repost jersey...

...as far as we know.................LE STILL has the durango.....and let's hope they have gone over every square inch of it ......although i can't for the life of me understand why they take his word for it that the durango was the vehicle he was driving that night.......

 

[juliagoulia]

1. What is the difference between a swabbing and trace? Is swabbing a general term for just sweeping an item to find if there is something on it? And does trace mean that they found something, like a small spot of blood, and they are going to get a sample to have analyzed?

This info is directly quoted from: http://www.courttv.com/onair/shows/forensicfiles/glossary/6.html#s

Trace Evidence: Material deposited at a crime scene that can only be detected through a deliberate processing procedure. An individual entering any environment will deposit traces of his or her presence, and this material can be used as evidence. Common sources of trace evidence are hairs and fibers.

There is no definition for "swab" or "swabbing", so I think you're right--it is just the act of collecting evidence. I also looked on other forensic sites such as http://www.vifsm.org/overview/glossary.html and http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/00206/text_glossary.htm.

 

[lauriej]

..thank you for this julia.....

..i read quite a few "google' sites, and was becoming more confused with each one....

...so 'trace' eveidence............hair...fibers.blood ..etc..something tangible for the csi people to work with...

...i'm a firm believer that that the NC crime lab is backlogged, and that once they begin to process the evidence from janet's murder, that they will zero in on the killer........

..the murderer may have thought he pulled off the perfect crime...........but evidence has a way of speaking louder than words..........

 

[snapple]

I hope I didn't offend you. My opinion was only referring back to what Moxie had asked - that if we were in this situation, and LE asked us not to speak out, would we do it and risk messing things up? I only meant to state my beliefs about Janet's family's silence, and that I thought that there must be a good reason why they have not spoken to the media. If I offended you, I truly apologize.

Oh no, not at all. Please don't apologize for stating your opinion. That is how we get discussions going and information out. I was just stating that we really don't know what LE is or isn't telling the family and that after 12 weeks, if LE wasn't telling me enough information to convince me they knew who did this to my family member and have collected evidence, I would start talking. I, too, hope there is a good reason why the family hasn't spoken up.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

..thank you for this julia.....

..i read quite a few "google' sites, and was becoming more confused with each one....

...so 'trace' eveidence............hair...fibers.blood ..etc..something tangible for the csi people to work with...

...i'm a firm believer that that the NC crime lab is backlogged, and that once they begin to process the evidence from janet's murder, that they will zero in on the killer........

..the murderer may have thought he pulled off the perfect crime...........but evidence has a way of speaking louder than words..........

And I am hoping the evidence in this case is screaming!!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

...i think it was jerseygirl that posted a very detailed post on the crime scene stuff....trace...swabbings....etc....and what it all means........( and i looked for it but can't find it...)
...please repost jersey...

...as far as we know.................LE STILL has the durango.....and let's hope they have gone over every square inch of it ......although i can't for the life of me understand why they take his word for it that the durango was the vehicle he was driving that night.......

I've also wondered this so many times. It's well-known to all of us now that the Abaroa's had at least 3 vehicles. The only thing that makes sense is if the other vehicles were not at the scene, (they were not listed as being there), and their actual whereabouts were accounted for by LE. Where could the vehicles been that would have satisfied LE as far as making it impossible that Raven drove them that night? Even if he had parked the VX somewhere with a sale sign, would that have prevented police from searching it? Very doubtful in my opinion. The only way that LE would have taken his word for it, IMO, is if the cars were verifiably out of commission somewhere or if they were behind lock and key, perhaps at a garage, etc.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Oh no, not at all. Please don't apologize for stating your opinion. That is how we get discussions going and information out. I was just stating that we really don't know what LE is or isn't telling the family and that after 12 weeks, if LE wasn't telling me enough information to convince me they knew who did this to my family member and have collected evidence, I would start talking. I, too, hope there is a good reason why the family hasn't spoken up.

Thanks for your response. I'm glad we're okay.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

...i think it was jerseygirl that posted a very detailed post on the crime scene stuff....trace...swabbings....etc....and what it all means........( and i looked for it but can't find it...)
...please repost jersey...

I don't think that was me, was it? It could have been; I simply don't remember! lol. I'll look around though, and post if I find it.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Lauriej, is this the post of which you were thinking:

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