Ex-Housekeeper Say Patsy Ramsey Killed JonBenet.

[RiverRat]

No don't waste any more time on it. I'm not going to either. The proof doesn't exsist because it is not true. Just another case myth created by this JB forum I guess. It wasn't a big deal to me until some posters stated it as a fact when it is not a fact. Funny how this is such a fact of the case yet NOBODY can find proof. You would think there would be proof positive just like it's a proven fact that JB was wearing size 12 underwear. Some posters are trying to pass this rumor fact like the "underwear fact" and I will not contribute to the spread of misinformation. I'm more than willing to toss the idea around as speculation but when someone starts telling me they know for sure well then my curiosity gets piqued and I want to see what they saw as proof. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. That's how we keep our facts straight. Is that not important anymore?
So OBVIOUSLY this drug business is purely speculation and nobody knows for sure. Why don't some posters just admit it and move on? Some will just go ahead and believe whatever they want anyway, just because they want to. To hell with the truth.

THIS forum did not create any myth. As stated before - the speculation has been out there for over a decade all over the internet. Instead of blaming this entire forum, take it up with the posters directly that are demanding that it is a fact that you referenced please.

Other than that - I do agree that it is best to stick with the known facts - however, there are issues like this one that there may be more to the story about that has not been released to the public.

 

[RiverRat]

Trix - now I am curious if you can prove that it is not a fact just because the Ramseys might not have admitted to it.

John claims that he has no knowledge of Patsy's having the first panic attack or how she was treated for it. Yet Patsy tells us about it in their book. Just like with Patsy denied having knowledge about John's mistress although John writes about Patsy's encounter with her in their book. Can't you see why it's hard not to consider it as a possibility? Sorry that something like this riled you up so - I know that it was not anyone's intention.

 

[Ames]

No don't waste any more time on it. I'm not going to either. The proof doesn't exsist because it is not true. Just another case myth created by this JB forum I guess. It wasn't a big deal to me until some posters stated it as a fact when it is not a fact. Funny how this is such a fact of the case yet NOBODY can find proof. You would think there would be proof positive just like it's a proven fact that JB was wearing size 12 underwear. Some posters are trying to pass this rumor fact like the "underwear fact" and I will not contribute to the spread of misinformation. I'm more than willing to toss the idea around as speculation but when someone starts telling me they know for sure well then my curiosity gets piqued and I want to see what they saw as proof. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. That's how we keep our facts straight. Is that not important anymore?
So OBVIOUSLY this drug business is purely speculation and nobody knows for sure. Why don't some posters just admit it and move on? Some will just go ahead and believe whatever they want anyway, just because they want to. To hell with the truth.

Trixie, Please list the posters that said that it was a KNOWN FACT that Patsy took Klonopin or any other drugs the night that JB died. I want to see somewhere that a poster writes..."IT IS A KNOWN FACT that Patsy took Klonopin the night that JB died". Nobody has even said that...not even me. I stated that she took meds PRIOR to that night....but thats it. If you are going to pick a fight, make sure that you have YOUR FACTS straight.

 

[JMO8778]

Indeed Ames;I know for myself I mentioned that perhaps Patsy was trying to self-medicate mood swings,not that it was a known fact she had taken anything.Just speculation on my part,seeing as there was at least Klonopin in the house at the time.

 

[Ames]

Indeed Ames;I know for myself I mentioned that perhaps Patsy was trying to self-medicate mood swings,not that it was a known fact she had taken anything.Just speculation on my part,seeing as there was at least Klonopin in the house at the time.

Right, and I SPECULATE that she took something the night that JB died.

Kinda funny how we can't speculate that Patsy took Klonopin, but IDI's can speculate without proof, that there was INDEED an intruder. There was way, WAY too big of a deal made out of this. If there was Klonopin found in the house...then SOMEBODY (and I don't think that it was Burke or JonBenet) was taking it.

 

[Ames]

MIKE KANE: Any other medications along that line that she's taking?

JOHN RAMSEY: No, I don't think --

MIKE KANE: Not now?

JOHN RAMSEY: Well, earlier on, we also took, it was like, I could never have been a doctor.

MIKE KANE: Xanax?

JOHN RAMSEY: No. Klonopin.

MIKE KANE: Klonopin?

JOHN RAMSEY: Klonopin. And that was kind of on an as needed basis for a while. It was kind of a quick, picker upper, I guess.


I am guessing that this is where Patsy taking Klonopin BEFORE JB's death came from. Some posters over at FFJ SPECULATE that Patsy could have been taking this for panic attacks, and suddenly stopped. That will throw you for a loop, too.

 

[Ames]

Credit goes to Why_Nut...at FFJ for this...

Patsy said she had suffered a panic attack before JonBenet's death. In her 1998 police interview:

TOM HANEY: These panic attacks that you mentioned, was that the first time that you had suffered through one of those or had you had those prior?

PATSY RAMSEY: I had had one one other time, when I was in Boulder Community Hospital in the cancer clinic. And it was about midway through my chemo session, my nine-month session, and I guess all of sudden it just kind of came crashing in as to what was really happening. And I started trembling and shaking. The numbness in my lips.

TOM HANEY: Those were your normal symptoms?

PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. It was gone in a little bit, you know.

TOM HANEY: Outside of those two episodes, have you had others?

PATSY RAMSEY: (Shaking head)

Of course, it says something about the nature of how Patsy was able to keep important secrets from John that he claims he knew nothing of these attacks.

MIKE KANE: What do you know about Mrs. Ramsey having panic attacks?

JOHN RAMSEY: Um, I don't know what a panic attack is, I guess, for sure. How would you -- describe it.

MIKE KANE: Just a feeling that you can't control the moment, overreacting to something maybe more than would be within a normal range. Just feeling, I can't handle the situation.

JOHN RAMSEY: She is as stable as a rock.

MIKE KANE: So you have never known her to have those?

JOHN RAMSEY: (No response).

MIKE KANE: Never known her to be treated for those?

JOHN RAMSEY: No.

MIKE KANE: Never known her to take any medication for those?

JOHN RAMSEY: (Nodding).

MIKE KANE: Would it surprise you to find out that she did?

JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. That would.

MIKE KANE: Did you ever hear the drug Xanax, X-A-N-A-X?

JOHN RAMSEY: (No response).

MIKE KANE: Ever known Ms. Ramsey to take that?

JOHN RAMSEY: No.

Xanax, eh? I think we are seeing Kane hint at something that he knew and John did not; that when investigators finally got hold of some medical records Patsy was found to have been taking Xanax, which would have given her credible deniability that she had had more than one panic attack (after the first, a prescription for Xanax would have let her fend off subsequent full-blown attacks).

 

[coloradokares]

Thanks UKGuy! Since the death of their daughter.I'm looking for a reference to Patsy being on drugs before the death. You can keep looking but I doubt you'll find it. Thanks for researching it though. I can't find anything on it.

Please re read ! It says since the death of HIS daughter. That would be Beth. From his other marriage and that is what I was referencing since Patsy was in turmoil with cancer and John was gone and absent alot. He did not accompany Patsy as she flew back and forth from Chemo and some hospitalizations. It does not say since the death or their daughter but His daughther as I read it

 

[coloradokares]

Not quite sure why this is a huge issue to you since it is ONLY speculation ONLY because of the Ramseys refusing to release their medical records. I don't know who or if someone stated it as fact, but I am not going to spend anymore time on it for someone that thinks she already has her answer. Believe what you want and I will find something more productive to deal with.

Agreed. Sorry but I have to question why this level of persistence as well. If we fit you for thumb screws you would be uncomfortable as well. You are saying that nothing we say will matter cause it is not true anyway. I know better. But I would not wish to push my opinion off on you

 

[trixie]

Oh brother this has ballooned way beyond what was intended. I still haven't read any proof.
coloradokares. I have to respectfully disagree. I think he meant JB.
Ames, here are the posts in this thread you asked to see: 119,137,143,147,157,167,168,169,170.
I didn't set out to make any enimies over this. I just wanted to read some proof. I still have not. I hope nobody hates me now. I don't hate anybody, I just disagree. And I'm not an IDI even though it sounds like I'm defending Patsy. I think Patsy Ramsey killed her daughter that night. But I just don't see any proof of drug use contributing to it.
I have to go for a few days. (My sister is coming to visit from Ohio). Maybe when I come back this will all settle down. I'm sorry if I offended anybody. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[coloradokares]

Oh brother this has ballooned way beyond what was intended. I still haven't read any proof.
coloradokares. I have to respectfully disagree. I think he meant JB.
Ames, here are the posts in this thread you asked to see: 119,137,143,147,157,167,168,169,170.
I didn't set out to make any enimies over this. I just wanted to read some proof. I still have not. I hope nobody hates me now. I don't hate anybody, I just disagree. And I'm not an IDI even though it sounds like I'm defending Patsy. I think Patsy Ramsey killed her daughter that night. But I just don't see any proof of drug use contributing to it.
I have to go for a few days. (My sister is coming to visit from Ohio). Maybe when I come back this will all settle down. I'm sorry if I offended anybody. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

From the 1998 Interviews

MIKE KANE: Any other medications along that line that she's taking?

JOHN RAMSEY: No, I don't think --

MIKE KANE: Not now?

JOHN RAMSEY: Well, earlier on, we also took, it was like, I could never have been a doctor.

MIKE KANE: Xanax?

JOHN RAMSEY: No. Klonopin.

MIKE KANE: Klonopin?

JOHN RAMSEY: Klonopin. And that was kind of on an as needed basis for a while. It was kind of a quick, picker upper, I guess.

In addition to that:

JOHN RAMSEY: Well she's on Prozac now, and that's because of JonBenet, but no, I don't think so.

MIKE KANE: Was she ever on any medication at all?

JOHN RAMSEY: I don't think so.

MIKE KANE: Other than Prozac?

JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, during this last period? Well, yeah. She had taken Paxil for a while. They switched her to Prozac, which is similar.

MIKE KANE: I think you said you were taking Paxil --

JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.

MIKE KANE: -- when you were, and you switched to(INAUDIBLE)?

JOHN RAMSEY: Right. I don't know, Patsy just said she felt better on it, and so I gave it a shot.

MIKE KANE: (INAUDIBLE)? The stuff is expensive?

JOHN RAMSEY: Maybe a little, I don't know. It seems to help, and it's the kind of drug that you can't just quit taking one day. You have to taper off of it. So it's just that if you're taking it and try to get off of it and see how you feels.


Ok now I cant tell you where I got that interview from as it does not say on my hard drive. I have stuff on my hard drive as well as links I believe I mentiond Paxil and others mentioned Klonopin I hope this ends this conversation and corrects your belief. If not well I dont know what more to tell ya! I said I knew it I just cannot for the life of me remember all things at all times. Trixie I have had 3 bleeds into the brain. I do not always recall as instantaneous as every one would like everything. But I would never say I had read it if it were not so. At the least I would have believed it with all my heart. Since I started following the JonBenet Murder and that was when it was still a kidnapping I have read more magazine and book articles viewd more shows and news on this than probably is even healthy but my Grandaughter was the same age as JonBenet and frankly that murder caught all of Colorados attention. This is my final post regarding this taking of medication issue unless I run across more Hopefully you will accept Johns statement in intervew.

 

[coloradokares]

Agreed. Sorry but I have to question why this level of persistence as well. If we fit you for thumb screws you would be uncomfortable as well. You are saying that nothing we say will matter cause it is not true anyway. I know better. But I would not wish to push my opinion off on you

Sorry That should have read Trixie what if we fit you for thumb srews, you would be uncomfortable as well. I started off aggreeing with a post from RiverRat and finished it as addressing my concerns with Trixie saying the reason no one was posting proof was because it did not Exist. RiverRat please forgive me. I am only human and I made a Giant BOO BOO! :slap: Where is one of the emoticons of us kicking me in the rear when I deserve it

 

[coloradokares]

Trixie, Please list the posters that said that it was a KNOWN FACT that Patsy took Klonopin or any other drugs the night that JB died. I want to see somewhere that a poster writes..."IT IS A KNOWN FACT that Patsy took Klonopin the night that JB died". Nobody has even said that...not even me. I stated that she took meds PRIOR to that night....but thats it. If you are going to pick a fight, make sure that you have YOUR FACTS straight.

No one but Patsy and John would have a clue what Patsy took that particular night other than wine because I dont believe a Tox screen was run on them. Even at that whatever meds might or might not have been there would have been the results over a period of time with some of these meds. Not what was taken that night specifically. Correct me if I am wrong but those med build up blood levels over time?!?

 

[RiverRat]

Sorry That should have read Trixie what if we fit you for thumb srews, you would be uncomfortable as well. I started off aggreeing with a post from RiverRat and finished it as addressing my concerns with Trixie saying the reason no one was posting proof was because it did not Exist. RiverRat please forgive me. I am only human and I made a Giant BOO BOO! :slap: Where is one of the emoticons of us kicking me in the rear when I deserve it

Actually - that was perfect as we needed to lighten the mood in this thread! It looks like we are agreeing to disagree, so let's move on to something not so disruptive or resume the original topic of this thread!

 

[Ames]

Oh brother this has ballooned way beyond what was intended. I still haven't read any proof.
coloradokares. I have to respectfully disagree. I think he meant JB.
Ames, here are the posts in this thread you asked to see: 119,137,143,147,157,167,168,169,170.
I didn't set out to make any enimies over this. I just wanted to read some proof. I still have not. I hope nobody hates me now. I don't hate anybody, I just disagree. And I'm not an IDI even though it sounds like I'm defending Patsy. I think Patsy Ramsey killed her daughter that night. But I just don't see any proof of drug use contributing to it.
I have to go for a few days. (My sister is coming to visit from Ohio). Maybe when I come back this will all settle down. I'm sorry if I offended anybody. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Sorry RiverRat...I can't let this one slide. I will post a reply to this quote above from Trixie...and then I am DONE!

I checked everyone of those posts that you listed in your above quote that supposedly said that it was a FACT Patsy took Klonopin the night that JB was killed. NONE of those post state such a thing. We all have said that we have READ it somewhere...we have never stated anything as being a FACT, if so..then the post would have started out with..."IT is a FACT that Patsy did so and so, or took so and so".

CK and I both listed JR's interview as a source for you...what more do you need?

Okay...I am done now.

 

[DeeDee249]

Most of us here have done extensive reading, several books as well as sites like acandyrose, which has hundreds of pages of material. The posters here have done their homework. People can't always pull out the exact place we read things. We are all going to form opinions. And that is exactly what they are. I have always resented the IDI habit of demanding links and proof, yet in all these years there is no proof on an intruder. That means PROOF. It is also true that we can't PROVE which R did what- we were not there. That doesn't mean there are no facts in the case- there are. They are there for the reading, and they speak for themselves. When posters here say they have read something- I believe them. I don't need to see the link.

 

[coloradokares]

Actually - that was perfect as we needed to lighten the mood in this thread! It looks like we are agreeing to disagree, so let's move on to something not so disruptive or resume the original topic of this thread!

I know everyone here needs to move on from this it is never easy to be challenged and told you wont provide proof regarding something because it does not exist and while that specific night of JonBenet's death may have no proof we did indeed put $$ where our mouths are and proved that we are not rumor mongers and story tellers. I value the integrity of this forum as well as valuing my my personal integrity. Now, having said that I am all for lightening the mood and moving on.:crazy:

 

[JMO8778]

Most of us here have done extensive reading, several books as well as sites like acandyrose, which has hundreds of pages of material. The posters here have done their homework. People can't always pull out the exact place we read things. We are all going to form opinions. And that is exactly what they are. I have always resented the IDI habit of demanding links and proof, yet in all these years there is no proof on an intruder. That means PROOF. It is also true that we can't PROVE which R did what- we were not there. That doesn't mean there are no facts in the case- there are. They are there for the reading, and they speak for themselves. When posters here say they have read something- I believe them. I don't need to see the link.

me,too.I just come here to talk to other RDI's,I don't keep links,I form my own opinion from what I have read,and the basic facts of the case convince me...starting with that Ultra-Stupid "so-called" ransom note.Can it get any more ridiculous than that? well,throw in the pineapple,the fiber evidence,the R's behavior,denial of simple items in their own house like Kleenex or their own bowl,excuses,denials and lies galore in the R's book DOI,and so and on and so forth,and it doesn't take much to see the truth in this case.

 

[maya.morgen]

Most of us here have done extensive reading, several books as well as sites like acandyrose, which has hundreds of pages of material. The posters here have done their homework. People can't always pull out the exact place we read things. We are all going to form opinions. And that is exactly what they are. I have always resented the IDI habit of demanding links and proof, yet in all these years there is no proof on an intruder. That means PROOF. It is also true that we can't PROVE which R did what- we were not there. That doesn't mean there are no facts in the case- there are. They are there for the reading, and they speak for themselves. When posters here say they have read something- I believe them. I don't need to see the link.

:clap: great post DeeDee.
i've been a lurker for a long time b/c i didn't know a lot of the details,but i did my homework as good as i could.and when i don't know something,i ask,but never say it's not true only b/c i never heard of it.
lol,it happened to me.....when i was asking questions,posters thought i am an IDI undercover trying to bait(it happened on another forum).but i really am asking b/c i don't recall or don't know that specific thing.
anyway,ita with your post!

 

[maya.morgen]

me,too.I just come here to talk to other RDI's,I don't keep links,I form my own opinion from what I have read,and the basic facts of the case convince me...starting with that Ultra-Stupid "so-called" ransom note.Can it get any more ridiculous than that? well,throw in the pineapple,the fiber evidence,the R's behavior,denial of simple items in their own house like Kleenex or their own bowl,excuses,denials and lies galore in the R's book DOI,and so and on and so forth,and it doesn't take much to see the truth in this case.

ahhhh,speaking of the pineapple....they all take it for granted that JB would have eaten pineapple with a stranger in the middle of the night,duh.
yeah,a 6 years old can be fooled and tricked,but how can you be sure that THIS kid WILL be tricked?nah,i don't buy it.there was no intruder who fed her pineapple.
it's absurd.why not SILENCE her from second one?why bother going to the kitchen,open the fridge,bla,bla.....and so on.....i don't buy it.


to me,the pineapple is one of the most telling piece of EVIDENCE,yep,i definitely see it as evidence.....