Family battling Children’s Hospital to bring teen home for Christmas

[Blue_Dolphin308]

What exactly is your point? That a sick child in a wheelchair is the fault of DCF? Your logic is a tad twisted, imo.

The parents were verbally abusive to others and it was witnessed. iirc, the Judge noted it in his opinion.

The world has many sick children in wheelchairs. DCF didn't place them in the wheelchair. DCF didn't make them sick.

all, JMO

But why were they verbally abusive?? I know it doesn't excuse their behavior, however put yourself in their shoes.

They went from having their 16 year old child who they love and cherish, and only want to see get better, to having no say in how her care is managed, to having 1 hour supervised visits, and being told they were the cause of their child's ill health..

They are given no answers, or responses to help them understand why there childs care is being taken away from them. Honestly, if I was in their position I would be down right upset myself. I would probably be the one who was locked up, because all I want is for my baby to be ok.

The way that BCH and DCF has handled this case is absolutely ridiculous! To exclude the parents WITHOUT credible facts that they were abusing this child is ludicrous! If they were found to be abusive towards their daughter, why have none of them been charged? After all we know that once abusie HAS been determined the next likely step is that the parents or those responsible would be charged.

This child has deteriorated so badly that its not even funny. And before you ask me where my proof is, its in the pictures that have been released. Those pictures CANNOT be faked or made up, because after all they are SUPERVISED visits. Its not like the parents can go into the visit and say justina lean over like this, or make a sad face, and snap a quick picture to release.

We know that this child was ice skating as early as a month before her admission, and subsequent kidnapping.

The fact that CT has not even taken the time to even consider taking this case, or previous cases tells me they truly do not believe that this child was being abused. Its not because she is in MA. Its because the last case that was turned into CT DCF turned out to be unfounded. This means that they went to the parents home, and did a full investigation, and determined the case was UNFOUNDED!

This child is being held for a reason, and the reason is not that the parents were abusive. Whether they are using her in drug studies that I do not know. But clearly there is something wrong with this picture. And it all traces back to the money. Ask yourself why MA is spending 2 million dollars on this one particular case? What do they have to gain, it is certainly NOT about protecting this child, because if it were, these dufusses would realize this child is not getting any better with her current care. Someone from Boston Children's Hospital is out to make a name for themselves, and because of this a childs life hangs in the balence. Or, DCF is out to take this as far as they can, because they do not want to admit that they royally screwed up. So they will do everything possible to avoid having to get up in front of the public and admit that they were wrong.

Also keep in mind that 2 million dollar figures grows by the day.

Trust me, I have seen cases where DCF knows they screwed up, and rather then eat their pride they would continue on this course to avoid having to admit they were wrong.

Everyone is saying that we have not heard from the other side. We are just hearing from the parents. Which is true, but the pictures are being release from the parents from visits they have had. Its not like they can fabricate these photos from another time. The pictures are from the hospital. And what about the youtube video released where Justina's friends, and teachers, and other close members of her support system are talking about her and how she was enjoying life, and was this happy child??

If these parents were found to be doing what MA DCF and BCH officials are doing to this child they would surely be charged, and prosecuted to the fullest extent. Why has someone not seen what MA DCF is doing and put a stop to it? Why has the judge not assigned a different team of Dr's where noone has any history with this family to come in and do an independent review?? I think the judge is being given favors, if you know what I mean. It has happened before, and I am sure it will happen again, if its not already happening.

Something stinks in MA, and its only gonna get worse. If things keep going the way they are going we are going to eventually hear of this child's death, and MA DCF and BCH will walk away Unscathed. But again if the parents caused her death they would be charged. Anyone see anything wrong with this picture??

 

[MyBelle]

it is about as far fetched as you can get.

there is zero evidence to support what you are claiming.

your claim is extraordinary.

and you still fundamentally do not understand the BCH, and federal, policy language regarding research and wards of the state.

so basically your theory and position is just about the definition of far fetched.

I wonder how much longer it will be until the Tufts doctor sends a cease and desist letter to the delusional father and his tiny band of wing nuts who insists the doctor is "supportive" of this utter nonsense.

 

[Gardenlady]

Justina was taken to a church on Saturday, but not with the parents. She was allowed a Sunday visit but not in church. The parents had requested Justina be allowed to attend Easter Sunday church service with them. Saturday is the first time Justina has been in a church since she was taken, and also she was denied a visit from a priest in the hospital. There is no other reason for them to keep her totally isolated from others except for protecting themselves from what she will divulge to others about the way they treat her. They won't let her speak publicly? Why? She hasn't even spoken to the judge. Why would he not want to hear from her?

FYI the Saturday "service" (called "Mass" by Catholics) counts as meeting the Sunday obligation. It is generally called a vigil Mass. On Holy Saturday, the late afternoon/evening service is termed the Easter Vigil (and it is interminable). Attending the vigil, a catholic is considered to have fulfilled their Sunday obligation. There is no special merit, special points, or anything, to attending Sunday Mass over Saturday vigil Mass.

 

[MyBelle]

But when it's the government that's taken your child, isn't that who you're going to be mad at ? I thought the same way as you, before I entered the family court system back in 2006 when I had issues with my almost 17 year old daughter. It wasn't anything medical like this, but I saw just how above the law the family court & CPS are. Do I have stories, like them threatening to involve my smaller children if I wouldn't sign what they wanted. That happened after my state rep had the caseworker's 'file' pulled a couple times. I couldn't believe that these workers would actually lie and when they weren't lying they did a lot of creative writing. It was very scary, they let my daughter live with criminals. How, you ask ? By only checking their criminal records (or at least that's all they provided the court) in a city that they didn't live in (KCMO) instead of the county records which many WS's know is casenet in Missouri. I mean they represented Jackson County, yet didn't or didn't acknowledge checking their own county records in a county the criminals lived in. It was unreal.

You seem to want to skip the part about it being doctors who called in CPS in this case. Your case doesn't sound at all similar.

JMO

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Apparently, the Judge concluded they wanted to deny medical care to their child. They disagreed with the doctors' diagnosis. They threatened to sue the CT institution if they accepted her care. It was the doctors who called in DCF, not the other way around, iirc.

The doctors who have a stake in the case. The doctors who have written books. The doctors who need research dollars to continue their case. Yeah those Dr.'s called DCF

 

[Donjeta]

The doctors who have a stake in the case. The doctors who have written books. The doctors who need research dollars to continue their case. Yeah those Dr.'s called DCF

Wait, what? The doctors get paid extra if Justina is in DCF custody? Why? By whom?

 

[Gardenlady]

In fact, children in state custody generally use MassHealth (Medicaid), which pays at a lower rate than private insurance companies. Doctors would be getting less money with a ward of the state than from one in parents custody with private insurance.

 

[Gardenlady]

The fact that CT has not even taken the time to even consider taking this case, or previous cases tells me they truly do not believe that this child was being abused. Its not because she is in MA. Its because the last case that was turned into CT DCF turned out to be unfounded. This means that they went to the parents home, and did a full investigation, and determined the case was UNFOUNDED!

Actually CT took months but found the parents to be neglectful, and found that sending her home would be unsuitable. They just won't take the case, for some reason.

 

[MyBelle]

But why were they verbally abusive?? I know it doesn't excuse their behavior, however put yourself in their shoes.

They went from having their 16 year old child who they love and cherish, and only want to see get better, to having no say in how her care is managed, to having 1 hour supervised visits, and being told they were the cause of their child's ill health..

They are given no answers, or responses to help them understand why there childs care is being taken away from them. Honestly, if I was in their position I would be down right upset myself. I would probably be the one who was locked up, because all I want is for my baby to be ok.

The way that BCH and DCF has handled this case is absolutely ridiculous! To exclude the parents WITHOUT credible facts that they were abusing this child is ludicrous! If they were found to be abusive towards their daughter, why have none of them been charged? After all we know that once abusie HAS been determined the next likely step is that the parents or those responsible would be charged.

This child has deteriorated so badly that its not even funny. And before you ask me where my proof is, its in the pictures that have been released. Those pictures CANNOT be faked or made up, because after all they are SUPERVISED visits. Its not like the parents can go into the visit and say justina lean over like this, or make a sad face, and snap a quick picture to release.

We know that this child was ice skating as early as a month before her admission, and subsequent kidnapping.

The fact that CT has not even taken the time to even consider taking this case, or previous cases tells me they truly do not believe that this child was being abused. Its not because she is in MA. Its because the last case that was turned into CT DCF turned out to be unfounded. This means that they went to the parents home, and did a full investigation, and determined the case was UNFOUNDED!

This child is being held for a reason, and the reason is not that the parents were abusive. Whether they are using her in drug studies that I do not know. But clearly there is something wrong with this picture. And it all traces back to the money. Ask yourself why MA is spending 2 million dollars on this one particular case? What do they have to gain, it is certainly NOT about protecting this child, because if it were, these dufusses would realize this child is not getting any better with her current care. Someone from Boston Children's Hospital is out to make a name for themselves, and because of this a childs life hangs in the balence. Or, DCF is out to take this as far as they can, because they do not want to admit that they royally screwed up. So they will do everything possible to avoid having to get up in front of the public and admit that they were wrong.

Also keep in mind that 2 million dollar figures grows by the day.

Trust me, I have seen cases where DCF knows they screwed up, and rather then eat their pride they would continue on this course to avoid having to admit they were wrong.

Everyone is saying that we have not heard from the other side. We are just hearing from the parents. Which is true, but the pictures are being release from the parents from visits they have had. Its not like they can fabricate these photos from another time. The pictures are from the hospital. And what about the youtube video released where Justina's friends, and teachers, and other close members of her support system are talking about her and how she was enjoying life, and was this happy child??

If these parents were found to be doing what MA DCF and BCH officials are doing to this child they would surely be charged, and prosecuted to the fullest extent. Why has someone not seen what MA DCF is doing and put a stop to it? Why has the judge not assigned a different team of Dr's where noone has any history with this family to come in and do an independent review?? I think the judge is being given favors, if you know what I mean. It has happened before, and I am sure it will happen again, if its not already happening.

Something stinks in MA, and its only gonna get worse. If things keep going the way they are going we are going to eventually hear of this child's death, and MA DCF and BCH will walk away Unscathed. But again if the parents caused her death they would be charged. Anyone see anything wrong with this picture??

The parents lost custody because of their own actions. Going into full bore meltdown mode because they refused to accept the psychiatric diagnosis simply proves the doctors were right. An acceptable reaction for a parent would be to accept the diagnosis and at least try to fix what they were responsible for breaking.

The Judge isn't taking bribes if that is what you are trying to imply. It isn't a vast conspiracy against "loving" parents it is a conspiracy to protect the child. If the parents want to commit a crime and get themselves locked up, that is their choice.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Just curious... Has everyone here actually READ the judges ruling?

I feel like I fell down a rabbit hole.




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[SophieRose]

Since BCH has a mitochondrial program, did any of their experts look at Justina? It was posted that Justina did not have a muscle biopsy while under the custody of her parents, but did she have one while under the custody of the state?

http://www.childrenshospital.org/centers-and-services/mitochondrial-program/overview

 

[MyBelle]

The doctors who have a stake in the case. The doctors who have written books. The doctors who need research dollars to continue their case. Yeah those Dr.'s called DCF

Doctors are mandatory reporters. To even suggest that they want to use Justina as some kind of lab rat is laughably absurd.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Actually CT took months but found the parents to be neglectful, and found that sending her home would be unsuitable. They just won't take the case, for some reason.

IMO getting another state to comply with interstate compact agreements is typically a huge pain in the arse...and often takes more than a year, if at all.

IMO Connecticut is using the void in the Interstate Compact Placement Agreement that fails to utilize the Agreement for medical / mental placements. Connecticut found a loop hole and is taking full advantage of it.



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[MyBelle]

Just curious... Has everyone here actually READ the judges ruling?

I feel like I fell down a rabbit hole.




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yes'em! I most certainly did! Amazing how the truth always rises to the top.

 

[MyBelle]

In fact, children in state custody generally use MassHealth (Medicaid), which pays at a lower rate than private insurance companies. Doctors would be getting less money with a ward of the state than from one in parents custody with private insurance.

Let's not allow facts to get in the way of all that's being hurled but failing to stick. lol

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

She wanted? More likely, her Mommy wanted, imo. I've never believed the story that it was the doctor at Tufts who referred them to BCH. Hospitals don't work that way and neither does insurance. It's a crime if it involves insurance fraud and I believe that is exactly what is going on in this case. Mommy and Daddy crave attention.

I'm betting all the arm-flapping being done now is a direct result of their insurance carrier refusing to pay for the ambulance and possibly for any care provided by BCH.

JMO

Umm her insurance would not be paying for the care. DCF would be paying for the care. Since they are the ones that now have her in BCH. If DCF did not get involved then it would fall on the parents insurance.

BTW I have a series of medical conditions. I have some treated by a physician who is affiliated with one particular hospital, and some treated by a physician affiliated with another hospital, is that Fraud? No I don't think so.

And if I recall, the Dr. that referred her to go to BCH has actually stated in the media that he did suggest that to the family.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Umm her insurance would not be paying for the care. DCF would be paying for the care. Since they are the ones that now have her in BCH. If DCF did not get involved then it would fall on the parents insurance.

BTW I have a series of medical conditions. I have some treated by a physician who is affiliated with one particular hospital, and some treated by a physician affiliated with another hospital, is that Fraud? No I don't think so.

And if I recall, the Dr. that referred her to go to BCH has actually stated in the media that he did suggest that to the family.

At this point the child is fully covered by Medicade.
As well as whatever insurance her parents have. Her parents insurance would be considered her primary insurance and billed first. Whatever is left will be paid by Medicade.
Their parental rights have not been terminated.

All IMO


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[MyBelle]

Umm her insurance would not be paying for the care. DCF would be paying for the care. Since they are the ones that now have her in BCH. If DCF did not get involved then it would fall on the parents insurance.

BTW I have a series of medical conditions. I have some treated by a physician who is affiliated with one particular hospital, and some treated by a physician affiliated with another hospital, is that Fraud? No I don't think so.

And if I recall, the Dr. that referred her to go to BCH has actually stated in the media that he did suggest that to the family.

Huh? There is no dispute Justina was seen by BCH. Doesn't matter if it was recommended or not or by whom.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

At this point the child is fully covered by Medicade.
As well as whatever insurance her parents have. Her parents insurance would be considered her primary insurance and billed first. Whatever is left will be paid by Medicade.
Their parental rights have not been terminated.

All IMO


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are either of her parents employed? I read somewhere that her father is a financial planner. Apparently not a very good one if their house is in foreclosure.

 

[Linda7NJ]

are either of her parents employed? I read somewhere that her father is a financial planner. Apparently not a very good one if their house is in foreclosure.

ironic huh?


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