Fatal Friends, Deadly Neighbors: Ann Rule's Crime Files

[freespeech]

They say Rebecca was charming. I'm not saying she is a serial killer, but she certainly could have harmed Max. She had a great reason - to get Dina out of Jonah's life.

The reverse can also be said that Dina may have benefited by blaming Rebecca for Max's accident to get Rebecca out of Jonah's life.

After Max was injured it must have been intolerable for Dina to perceive that Rebecca would have any kind of future with Jonah and even more so because she blamed Rebecca for Max's accident.

 

[Inparadise]

Yep. There's a regular pattern to it.

I do hope that Anne Rule does a book tour, and includes Coronado.....there is a wonderful independent book store in town, and they love to have authors come for book signings, particularly when it is of local interest.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Wow-- I'm glad you said you're not saying Rebecca is a serial killer.

Gosh-- there are so many charming people involved in this case, right?! It is entirely possible that Rebecca's murderers were VERY charming people, affable....likable, with lots of loyal friends, etc. Charming, but with erroneous and misguided zeal for vengeance. I suspect they wish they had never murdered Rebecca now, a year later. Their life is not better for it, imo.

I think we got off track with this post.

Back to Ann Rule. How long did it take her to believe that Ted Bundy was guilty and what changed her mind? TIA

 

[MyBelle]

So she was working on a book about the murders and knew Ted the whole time? Well. That says a lot about both Ann and Ted.

It also says a lot about how incredibly dangerous it was to allow untrained, unscreened volunteers to handle suicide hotline calls. What a disservice to those desperate souls who had the misfortune of having a psycho such as Ted Bundy take their call. Some people do actually follow through with their suicide plans and there is no murder involved.

JMO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

The reverse can also be said that Dina may have benefited by blaming Rebecca for Max's accident to get Rebecca out of Jonah's life.

After Max was injured it must have been intolerable for Dina to perceive that Rebecca would have any kind of future with Jonah and even more so because she blamed Rebecca for Max's accident.

I don't think Jonah would have stayed with Rebecca anyway, after what happened to Max. IMO, Dina would not have concerned herself with that. But here we are again, off the topic of Ann Rule...

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

It also says a lot about how incredibly dangerous it was to allow untrained, unscreened volunteers to handle suicide hotline calls. What a disservice to those desperate souls who had the misfortune of having a psycho such as Ted Bundy take their call. Some people do actually follow through with their suicide plans and there is no murder involved.

JMO

And the sick _____ (choose your own curse word here ) probably enjoyed every minute of those peoples' pain. How horrible.

 

[MyBelle]

And the sick _____ (choose your own curse word here ) probably enjoyed every minute of those peoples' pain. How horrible.

It was the epitomy of irresponsible on the part of the hotline.

JMO

 

[coastal]

If the California Attorney General's office turns down the case after reviewing the files...will those of you that believe it was murder accept that it was suicide at that point?

I don't know - will you stop beating me about the head with it then? Because the truth is, the harder I'm pushed the better I like the opposite direction and almost any other idea. Blame my contrary nature and my stubborn streak for some of the why, but mostly it's because I don't trust anybody who thinks they have the only truth.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

The HUGE difference in the Liysa Northon case and the Shacknai case is that Liysa Northon was CONVICTED of manslaughter. None of the Shacknais or Romanos were ever even considered suspects in a case that was closed and ruled a SUICIDE.

I would imagine Dan Webb, Jonah Shacknai's lawyer would be one of the first to read the book. If faced with a huge lawsuit, a publisher might just pull the book off the shelves.

If you want to read it, you might want to pick it up the first day it is out. IMO, it may not be available for long.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

I don't know - will you stop beating me about the head with it then? Because the truth is, the harder I'm pushed the better I like the opposite direction and almost any other idea. Blame my contrary nature and my stubborn streak for some of the why, but mostly it's because I don't trust anybody who thinks they have the only truth.

I'm not trying to "beat you about the head". I'm sorry you took it that way. I am just curious what it would take to change someone's mind. Truly did not mean to offend you.

 

[Tink56]

They say Rebecca was charming. I'm not saying she is a serial killer, but she certainly could have harmed Max. She had a great reason - to get Dina out of Jonah's life.

Dina, as a wife and romantic interest, was already out of Jonah's life, IMO.
I doubt there was any fear that Jonah had "loving" feelings for his ex-wife.

 

[coastal]

I'm not trying to "beat you about the head". I'm sorry you took it that way. I am just curious what it would take to change someone's mind. Truly did not mean to offend you.

CuriousGeorgia, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean you, personally. I should have said that yes, if an independent investigation determines Rebecca killed herself, I will probably believe them. The question of suicide vs. murder really doesn't keep me up at night. My problem is my belief that there was never a thorough, unbiased investigation into either Rebecca's or Maxie's deaths. Until I can trust that has happened, I'll remain unconvinced of Rebecca's suicide and of Maxie's murder.

 

[K_Z]

It also says a lot about how incredibly dangerous it was to allow untrained, unscreened volunteers to handle suicide hotline calls.
JMO

Suicide hotline volunteers are not untrained, nor unscreened. They are a precious resource that saves lives. Every day.

Is there any evidence or link to support that comment?

That comment is an insult to the many people who give of their time to help people in crisis, and to the organizations who help.

There was nothing in Ted Bundy's background that would have predicted that he was a serial killer.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Dina, as a wife and romantic interest, was already out of Jonah's life, IMO.
I doubt there was any fear that Jonah had "loving" feelings for his ex-wife.

I don't think he had any "loving" feelings for his ex-wife, but I do think he had "loving" feelings for the Mother of his child, Max. I think Rebecca was jealous of that, IMO.

 

[Inparadise]

It was the epitomy of irresponsible on the part of the hotline.

JMO

<modsnip> Any organization such as that, if they did not train their volunteers/employees, would be subject to legal action.........

 

[4Jacy]

How on earth can it be impartial when it says, "She did not travel to Coronado or to Arizona, where Shacknai lives, to conduct her research, Rule said, but talked extensively with Zahau's loved ones, who believe she was killed. She also has a long-time friendship with Seattle attorney Anne Bremner, who is representing the Zahau family in their quest to reopen the investigation."


Ann will give only a one-sided story IMO, and not the truth about either death.

I don't think so, and I certainly hope not. If she wants readers, she needs to be 100% above board.

 

[freespeech]

I don't know - will you stop beating me about the head with it then? Because the truth is, the harder I'm pushed the better I like the opposite direction and almost any other idea. Blame my contrary nature and my stubborn streak for some of the why, but mostly it's because I don't trust anybody who thinks they have the only truth.

That was a very good answer. I feel the same way and you made me :floorlaugh: lol.

 

[*Lash*]

The HUGE difference in the Liysa Northon case and the Shacknai case is that Liysa Northon was CONVICTED of manslaughter. None of the Shacknais or Romanos were ever even considered suspects in a case that was closed and ruled a SUICIDE.

I would imagine Dan Webb, Jonah Shacknai's lawyer would be one of the first to read the book. If faced with a huge lawsuit, a publisher might just pull the book off the shelves.

If you want to read it, you might want to pick it up the first day it is out. IMO, it may not be available for long.

BBM - Maybe Ann has detail about this in her book. Allegedly and according to LE, only Nina and Adam were at the property. If Dina and Jonah were not considered POIs or suspects, why would LE need to verify their whereabouts via surveillance video and phone records?

Interesting read under Opinions and Conclusions written by Det. Angela Tsuida in the following search warrant for Dina's and Jonah's phone records. If there was one person I could have picked for Ann Rule to interview it would be Det. Tsuida.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf

 

[freespeech]

I don't think so, and I certainly hope not. If she wants readers, she needs to be 100% above board.

I think Anne will be probably be more objective than Gore was when he supervised and presented the limited details of Rebecca's investigation to the public.

I think Anne's book will sell in tremendous numbers in CA, AZ and WA due to the topical appeal. It should sell especially well with residents in Paradise Valley, Phoenix, Scottsdale, Coronado and San Diego and with many Medicis/Valeant employees, doctors and customers.

This book is a really good thing in my mind and will go a long way in keeping up the interest in the case.

 

[freespeech]

I don't think he had any "loving" feelings for his ex-wife, but I do think he had "loving" feelings for the Mother of his child, Max. I think Rebecca was jealous of that, IMO.

Hmm, Jonah and loving feelings for a woman and especially Dina. Something to ponder as she was the ex-wife that purportedly broke his finger and tried to choke him, no? I also read that Dina purported that he would go to any length to to destroy her and that he referred to her as trash he needed to clear out of his life.

Also, if he loves Dina because she was Max's mother then why didn't he include her in Max's memorial charity. I would think she would occupy a place a honor there. Also, why didn't he join her in Maxie's House besides the fact that she bashed and blamed him for the accident too?

They may have collaborated in ways but they essentially continue to maintain the contentious relationship that they always had, imo.

Also, I don't see how Rebecca could be jealous of Dina. Jonah must have told Rebecca all kinds of things about his past relationship with Dina and her behavior. It is more likely that Dina was jealous of Rebecca. After, all Dina seemed to resentfully perceive Rebecca as a "princess" who was trying to usurp her previously held position of Jonah's "queen". Rebecca reigned in Dina's kingdom after Jonah exiled her. That must have made her absolutely miserable, imo.