FBI Considers Juggalos, Fans Of Insane Clown Posse, A Gang In Annual Report

  • #41
how 'bout these lyrics? They are talking about society here, not themselves. Bad words again but let's really look at their music not a select few songs. I think much of the problem is their lyrics and the meanings behind their songs are misunderstood.

http://www.metrolyrics.com/vultures-lyrics-insane-clown-posse.html

and these.. this isn't about them.. this about a prisoner being released from our prison system, his mind-set and how quickly he re-offends.

http://www.metrolyrics.com/love-lyrics-insane-clown-posse.html

Please don't think you need to defend liking this group or their music. I know the group is popular and has been around a long time. Heck, my music tastes have been all over the place. No, it's a personal decision if someone wants to be a juggalette and I guess live the lifestyle, but calling it a family draws in those with that need to belong. Belong to what really? Is it for a good cause? I see reports of an increased crime rate related to the members. I really had no idea about the gang aspect. So, it seems it is more than just the music.
JMO tho'.
 
  • #42
usually i consider myself way to old to know what younger people are

listening to or what groups they belong too but this time i am happy to

report, i was not that far out of the loop. my favorite true crime author

m. william phelps, just published a new book Too Young To Kill, about

a crime in East Moline, Il. the perps where all juggalettes and popped

skittles like candy. i recommend it highly, though i am sick of phelps

stud muffin photos of himself on the book jackets.

I just read up on the Adrianne Reynolds murder. Unbelievable.

A web site in her memory:

http://www.adriannereynolds.com/About Adrianne.html
 
  • #43
The Manson Family made references to the Beatles in perpetrating some of their crimes; however, we do not see Beatles' fans in general as being a gang. Similarly, in this case, some gangs may use the ICP music and symbols, but ICP fans in general are not organized enough to call them a "gang."
 
  • #44
  • #45
I thought this was a joke.

ICP is a band and they started calling their fans jugettes , jugga jugga lows etc. The fans then picked it up. and Now all it means to be one is that you are down with the clown (you like there work) Kinda like the greatful dead and the dead heads were.

The FBI would be only trying to enact laws that take more rights away from us by creating tight guidlines in what can be considered as gang activity. Aimed at our youth . Because seriously this is a waste time and money on nothing more that the same kinda crap we have went though with every generation and their music. Ozzy ,Elivis ,folk music bought over in the 1700's. JMO.
 
  • #46
  • #47
The Manson Family made references to the Beatles in perpetrating some of their crimes; however, we do not see Beatles' fans in general as being a gang. Similarly, in this case, some gangs may use the ICP music and symbols, but ICP fans in general are not organized enough to call them a "gang."

Been reading through this thread and had similar thoughts to yours. In fact, I think you picked out the most significant point here. It seems plausible to me that people with criminal tendencies picked out a costume. Maybe they like or love the music, but so what?

During the West Memphis Three trial, the prosecutor held up a record by Blue Oyster Cult" as evidence against on of them .... 'Don't Fear the Reaper' album. One problem with all this is that it makes anyone who is different more vulnerable and more easy to pin a crime on them.

I hope they tread carefully with all of this. Tim Masters was finally released from prison after years, he was solely convicted on a psychological profile based on a lot of creepy pictures he drew as a teen. And, we still have many remnant of the teen superpredator myth.
 
  • #48
This link has some interesting info...

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/photogallery/crimes-of-the-juggalo.html

ETA: The "next" link scrolls thru several "juggalo" reports, but then it goes on to other unrelated stuff (since it's the site's photo gallery section). So read carefully...


My opinion ... here is what I think is wrong.

* the FBI claims Juggalo subsets are committing crimes, are a gang
* Juggalos are a large group, but only some small portion are included in this subset so a potential 'gang' should be renamed so as not to include all members of the larger group.
* Any gang has fairly specific identifiers of the group - it can't just be that they dress as clowns and commit crimes, e.g., gangs like MS-13 have specific tattoos, colors, signals, leaders, organization (hierarchy) and so on that unmistakenly identify them.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/article_8f52abae-e15e-551d-98e0-eda625c749b6.html

According to Arizona law, a criminal street gang is an association of people who commit or help in the commission of felony crimes and has at least one person who is a gang member. A gang member is defined as someone to whom two of the seven following criteria apply:


They declare themselves to be a gang member


They're documented as a gang member through witness testimony or official statement:

  • They're documented through written or electronic correspondence
  • They possess paraphernalia or photographs affiliated with a gang
  • They have gang tattoos
  • They wear gang clothing or display gang colors
  • Anything else that would indicate gang membership
Sprunk said he firmly believes that Juggalos don't meet any of the gang criteria, and said it frustrates him that law enforcement sometimes labels him and his friends that way.


"You get picked on a lot more because you're different," Sprunk said.
Of Mesa's 34 documented Juggalos, public records show some have been arrested in connection with crimes including aggravated assault, shoplifting, drug paraphernalia and armed robbery. But many Juggalos said these types of people are rare in their circles.


And McCloe said it bothers him when he hears a news report of Juggalos hurting people.


Vasey, the DPS gang investigator, said although she believes Juggalos are by and large not a gang, she keeps certain sects of them on her radar.

The trutv link, unfortunately, does not contain an intelligent discussion upfront about all this. Instead, the reader is immediately led to believe all Juggalos are possible gang members and very violent.
 
  • #49
And control the trade of an obscure Midwestern soft drink.....actually, no they don't. LOL. Faygo just gets a lot of free advertising from ICP, but to say that the Juggalos/Juggalettes control the trade of it is a little much...Sorry, but I think that they are barking up the wrong tree.

Of course, it could also be that the area I'm in is pretty tame compared to some, but here, they don't even come close to the definition of a gang. I'm fed up with the Crips, the Bloods, the Cobras and the OG's, but I'll hang with a Juggalo any day. JMO.
 
  • #50
And control the trade of an obscure Midwestern soft drink.....actually, no they don't. LOL. Faygo just gets a lot of free advertising from ICP, but to say that the Juggalos/Juggalettes control the trade of it is a little much...Sorry, but I think that they are barking up the wrong tree.

Of course, it could also be that the area I'm in is pretty tame compared to some, but here, they don't even come close to the definition of a gang. I'm fed up with the Crips, the Bloods, the Cobras and the OG's, but I'll hang with a Juggalo any day. JMO.

Ya know what's saddest about the Faygo being their "drink" is that so many of these kids that call themselves Juggalo's have/had no choice but to drink these drinks.. it's what's at the dollar store where "mom" shops, if and or when she does bother to shop. You drink it or water. It's like some kids who grow up on those hugs drinks. :sick:
 
  • #51
  • #52
I thought this was a joke also.
It makes me really mad actually.
I'm not a huge fan but did go to a show before and it was a lot of fun.
I think this article hits the nail on the head.A lot of Juggalos/Jugalettes come from a low socio economic background,a lot of them come from abuse and broken homes and the Juggalos just represent acceptance and love to them.
I bet ICP is responsible for preventing just as much crime as they are supposedly responsible for causing.I'm sure a lot of these kids are positively influenced because of the "family" because they can see their situation in a critical but fun way.It's about empowerment.
To call them a gang is laughable.
http://mktheriault.com/clown town.htm

Someone brought up the Farmville murders,a thread I was very active in.
I think anyone that reads through these threads will realize that the horrible crimes Sam committed had very little to do with horrorcore and everything with his dark upbringing.
I'm sure if you take the Juggalo related cases one by one these crimes have nothing to do with the music or the Juggalo "family" but with what is going on in these kids homes instead.

I love this song and video :)

http://youtu.be/_-agl0pOQfs
 

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