fingerprints and pubic hairs

[HeartofTexas]

This may not be the correct thread to ask this question but it's the closest I can find, so here goes.

I was reading a book review and subsequent reviews of Patricia Springer's book, "Flesh and Blood", and one of the reviewers said the following:

small bloody handprint and small butt print found on the couch

I don't recall a "small butt print" on the couch... did that really happen? And, if so, was it a bloody butt print?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Someone get Dasgal over to this thread. She's an ex-cop and if memory serves me right, we talked about ways to try and get that so-called fingerprint to some experts back in the day!!

 

[dasgal]

Which fingerprint are we talking about here? If we are talking about the rear coffee table, from everything I understand about it, it's a child or a womans, but does not have enough identifyers to match it to anyone with any degree of certainty. Supposedly the boys were both excluded, but you must remember the slap crap job they did to get those prints in the first place. Supposedly they were able to get a rehydration, blah, blah, blah, but those kids had been sharing a flooded coffin that had been baking in the Texas sun for a few years. I don't believe it.

Hopefully we are talking about the same print.....teehe....if not, I prolly sound like an idiot. Sorry, been out of threadworld for a long long time.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I thought the same thing!! Thanks for posting!!!

 

[beesy]

This may not be the correct thread to ask this question but it's the closest I can find, so here goes.

I was reading a book review and subsequent reviews of Patricia Springer's book, "Flesh and Blood", and one of the reviewers said the following:


I don't recall a "small butt print" on the couch... did that really happen? And, if so, was it a bloody butt print?

Yes, I read that book and Springer says there was a small invisible handprint and a "butt print", as you call it,LOL sort of smudged as if Damon was sliding down the sofa. It was picked up with Luminol, but before a photo could be taken, apparently the leather or was it "pleather" made it disappear. It was decided that both the hand print and butt print were Damon's because they were small and Devon did not get up and walk around. Also a visible handprint of Damon's was on that dang white carpeting for comparison. If this is true and there really were prints on the sofa, it's more proof of Darlie's guilt. An intruder would not have wiped the blood off the sofa and most likely Darlie felt the blood in that area didn't fit into her story, although she did say Damon touched her shoulder and woke her up. Many times a killer will weave some truth into their story. It's very possible Damon did say "mommy" that night, as he tried to escape her! :furious: Perhaps even Darin wiped it off. If there was truly any wetting of towels by Darlie that night, it was to clean that sofa.

 

[j2mirish]

Yes, I read that book and Springer says there was a small invisible handprint and a "butt print", as you call it,LOL sort of smudged as if Damon was sliding down the sofa. It was picked up with Luminol, but before a photo could be taken, apparently the leather or was it "pleather" made it disappear. It was decided that both the hand print and butt print were Damon's because they were small and Devon did not get up and walk around. Also a visible handprint of Damon's was on that dang white carpeting for comparison. If this is true and there really were prints on the sofa, it's more proof of Darlie's guilt. An intruder would not have wiped the blood off the sofa and most likely Darlie felt the blood in that area didn't fit into her story, although she did say Damon touched her shoulder and woke her up. Many times a killer will weave some truth into their story. It's very possible Damon did say "mommy" that night, as he tried to escape her! :furious: Perhaps even Darin wiped it off. If there was truly any wetting of towels by Darlie that night, it was to clean that sofa.

and to put on her own SCRATCHED neck

 

[Goody]

I think the defense are still waiting for the evidence to be turned over for retesting. If you look at www.justicefordarlie.net at the news box on the right hand side there is a document relating to the issue.

I'm not sure though that the court has actually ruled that the defense should be allowed to retest...

If I remember correctly, the state indicated they would not object to the testing but didn't come right out and say that so the judge didn;t rule on it. Instead the state and defense were to get together and "work it out." Since then the defense has sent letters to the state asking for the testing arrangements to be made but have received no replies. Eventually the defense will have to bring it back to court if they can't get a commitment or refusal out of the state. My guess is that the state is just putting them off as long as they can.

 

[Dani_T]

If I remember correctly, the state indicated they would not object to the testing but didn't come right out and say that so the judge didn;t rule on it. Instead the state and defense were to get together and "work it out." Since then the defense has sent letters to the state asking for the testing arrangements to be made but have received no replies. Eventually the defense will have to bring it back to court if they can't get a commitment or refusal out of the state. My guess is that the state is just putting them off as long as they can.

Don't know why the defense are ultimately fighting it then- the longer the state take the longer Darlie has before she is executed!

 

[beesy]

and to put on her own SCRATCHED neck

Oh, no, dear child, Darlie had a dry rag on her neck. Wet towels do not absorb blood at all. That's why her claim of wetting towels to place them on the boys holds no water(tee hee..pun..tee) Darin with his "7 years" of medic training would have known that and told her to stop wetting the dang towels. Darlie never said anything about wetting towels until she noticed that LE had taken the sink, this time it was everything AND the kitchen sink(tee hee). She must have realized she hadn't it cleaned well enough. Suddenly she remembered wetting towels for the boys. Nobody has Darlie at the sink but Darlie. That is most likely where she cut her neck and thought she'd washed all the blood down the drain. Our friend Mr. Luminol found invisible blood in the sink and wiped up blood on the kitchen counter. So IF Darlie even ever wet any towels, she used them to wipe the counter and that sofa, who knows what else?

 

[Bobbisangel]

I think the defense are still waiting for the evidence to be turned over for retesting. If you look at www.justicefordarlie.net at the news box on the right hand side there is a document relating to the issue.

I'm not sure though that the court has actually ruled that the defense should be allowed to retest...

Thanks. I'll never understand why each side isn't willing to do everything possible to prove guilt or innocense.

 

[Goody]

Don't know why the defense are ultimately fighting it then- the longer the state take the longer Darlie has before she is executed!

Well, they didn't rush back to court with it so maybe they are dragging their feet too.

Ultimately they hope to uncover just enough to get her a new trial. If the hope was real strong, you'd think they would be in a bigger hurry to force the state to comply. Esp when you consider that something could happen to the evidence during all these delays. Evidence in storage gets misplaced all the time. At least often enough to create problems in cases featured on these crime profile shows.

I imagine they have to be careful around the retesting issues, like the bloody fingerprint. They probably have to dance around it without exposing it entirely for fear of what it might reveal. Unless an atty were 110% convinced his client is innocent, he isn't eager to take risks with unknowns.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Thanks. I'll never understand why each side isn't willing to do everything possible to prove guilt or innocense.

I think the prosecution did a damn good job of proving her guilt. The defense has had ample opportunity and time to test anything they want tested. If they wait until its too late then that's not the state's fault. Defendants DREAM about the type of legal team that Darllie had working for her.

 

[CyberLaw]

Getting a new trial will and is next to impossible especially in a capital case. It has been almostt 10 years since the conviction and she is still trying this "smoke and mirrors" tactic..........

She always thought that she would get away with the crime by "the intruder" claim and since she has been convicted, now it is grasping at straws to save her life......well her appeals have been turned down, judges have ruled against her, she won't give up until the minute they inject her with the "death drugs" she will be saying "the Governor is going to call, wait, just wait, I know he is going to call, I just know he is......"

 

[Goody]

Thanks. I'll never understand why each side isn't willing to do everything possible to prove guilt or innocense.

Because that is not how the system works. We are lucky when truth even has a seat in our courtrooms today. For the most part, trials have become a chess game with the LE's trying to outwit each other. But I gotta say that every time I want to change it, something happens to make me thankful we didn't.

 

[Goody]

Getting a new trial will and is next to impossible especially in a capital case. It has been almostt 10 years since the conviction and she is still trying this "smoke and mirrors" tactic..........

She always thought that she would get away with the crime by "the intruder" claim and since she has been convicted, now it is grasping at straws to save her life......well her appeals have been turned down, judges have ruled against her, she won't give up until the minute they inject her with the "death drugs" she will be saying "the Governor is going to call, wait, just wait, I know he is going to call, I just know he is......"

But that is only by state courts. Don't you think her chances are greater in a federal appeal? I am not saying she will get a new trial, but I am not ready to predict that federal judges will see everything the same way the state judges did. I am anxious for her attys to get that started. I want to hear the first fed opinion.

 

[dasgal]

Don't know why the defense are ultimately fighting it then- the longer the state take the longer Darlie has before she is executed!

Hi Dani,
The probable reason the State is fighting it is because of money. If Darlie and Crew had thier way, they would be in court every other day rehashing this and that.
Darlie's Bunch are in a win win position here. They go to court and stall and hope that there is a broken chain of evidence, or something is lost, or find someone to blame for a test they dont agree with. If they don't get to go to court they can then play the "see look! They are hiding something" card, which buys them more media, and a few more bucks in the freedarlie dole.
If the state had to bend to every new claim Darlie decides to throw at them, they'd be broke. I mean how many times has her stories changed, and new claims been made? And everytime Darlie doesn't like the test results she screams incompetence.

 

[j2mirish]

But that is only by state courts. Don't you think her chances are greater in a federal appeal? I am not saying she will get a new trial, but I am not ready to predict that federal judges will see everything the same way the state judges did. I am anxious for her attys to get that started. I want to hear the first fed opinion.

and what do you think the federal judges could see that the state judges didnt?
or what would the difference be

 

[Goody]

and what do you think the federal judges could see that the state judges didnt?
or what would the difference be

I don't know. That is why I am anxious to read their opinions on the appellate issues. Right now we don't even know what the appellate issues in fed court will be. In other cases, however, the federal courts have overturned convictions upheld by state appellate courts. So just because the state courts have spoken, it does not mean that is the final word. I won't go so far as to say that anything is possible but I would not be totally surprised if the fed courts do see things a little differently than the state courts. The question might be whether any of it rises to a level that would cause them to order a new trial. Only time will tell. So hurry up, defense!! File that darned appeal!!!

 

[Becba]

I don't know. I never understood why her husband would ask her to get wet towels as he was trained as a parmedic.

Why get wet towels?
My son had a cut on his head as a child and it bled, I got a towel(dry) and held it tight to his cut to stop the bleeding. I pressed on it and did stop the bleeding. I would never have chosen to wet the towel. Thinking back, if he were in jeapordy of death I would never have chosen to wet a towel.
I have no idea why a person would except for this case I think it was to clean up.
I would not have went outside while paramedics took care of my children. I would not have let either one take a last breathe without seeing me as their mom endouraging them they would be alright. Even if I knew they would die I would have told them they would be ok and told them I loved them.
My first child was born when I was 17 and his grandparents were very anxious to have another child. They constantly tried to assume authority with my child. He fell and cutr his chin wide open while we went with them to visit a car dealership. The first thing out of my mouth when my child was hurt was to tell his grandfather to give him to me. I almost passed out when I saw all the blood flow out of his chin. But I got strong to hold my child. I knew he was hurt and needed me. I would never turn my back on him for anything.
You cannot get a mother to stand by when their child is hurt.
For Darlie to have not helped, even if she were in shock, I do not see it.

 

[Mama-cita]

I don't know. I never understood why her husband would ask her to get wet towels as he was trained as a parmedic.

Why get wet towels?
My son had a cut on his head as a child and it bled, I got a towel(dry) and held it tight to his cut to stop the bleeding. I pressed on it and did stop the bleeding. I would never have chosen to wet the towel. Thinking back, if he were in jeapordy of death I would never have chosen to wet a towel.
I have no idea why a person would except for this case I think it was to clean up.
I would not have went outside while paramedics took care of my children. I would not have let either one take a last breathe without seeing me as their mom endouraging them they would be alright. Even if I knew they would die I would have told them they would be ok and told them I loved them.
My first child was born when I was 17 and his grandparents were very anxious to have another child. They constantly tried to assume authority with my child. He fell and cutr his chin wide open while we went with them to visit a car dealership. The first thing out of my mouth when my child was hurt was to tell his grandfather to give him to me. I almost passed out when I saw all the blood flow out of his chin. But I got strong to hold my child. I knew he was hurt and needed me. I would never turn my back on him for anything.
You cannot get a mother to stand by when their child is hurt.
For Darlie to have not helped, even if she were in shock, I do not see it.

I agree with this 100% Bec. Even when my 2 year old son has a knee scrape, I scoop him up immediately. Even though my husband's response is always:
"Oh you're fine..." As moms, we are there to comfort. That's our role. That is why I can't understand this crime for the life of me.