FL - 17-yo Teen Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #3

[rotterdam]

Trayvon made his own 911 call, the FBI has it and are enhancing, says holds the key to the investigation

at the very end of the vid

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8593399&syndicate=syndicate&section#global

Wow, that is monumental. Now I want to see a lot more folks arrested besides Zimmerman. They(SPD) also withheld that from Trayvon parents apparently.
So much for the Sunshine laws, illegal selective releasing of public info.

 

[songline]

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Actually IMHO that can mean many things but it Is just a snippet of the 911 call
IT can sound like GZ was out of order, if you only read this snippet
but if you listen to the entire 911 call - when you hear the conversation around the snippet
it sounds a lot different...
It sounds more like Dispatcher advised him that for his safety he does not need to pursue.

 

[uvamerica]

"The attorney said Zimmerman is sticking to his original story of self defense"


"There's remorse that things came out the way they did, but but he stands by his defense of self-defense."


http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/george-zimmermans-new-legal-advisor-speaks-wftv/nLbtR/

 

[Yoda]

Here, I believe, is the link you are referring to:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/new...n-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation

However, it also states that Tracy Martin is Trayvon's mother and quotes him/her as saying that his/her son was shot sitting on the porch.

(Not directed at JJenny) I can only speak for myself but with huge inaccuracies like that, I am not going to cherry-pick one item in the article as gospel truth.

The inaccuracies and shoddy reporting are a disgrace to TM and GZ and their families.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

ITA. A prosecutor will not take a case to trial if he doesn't think he can get a conviction. By the way, while everybody is blaming the police for trying to protect GZ,

"Jacksonville-based Corey replaced local prosecutor Norm Wolfinger in the case and WFTV said several sources had confirmed that police had originally recommended manslaughter charges against Zimmerman, but that Wolfinger had not acted on their advice."
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpps/ne...-claims-of-racism-dpgonc-20120323-kh_18782792

Well then one of these statements is a lie.

1.Jacksonville-based Corey replaced local prosecutor Norm Wolfinger in the case and WFTV said several sources had confirmed that police had originally recommended manslaughter charges against Zimmerman, but that Wolfinger had not acted on their advice.






2.Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?
When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr.
Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time
was supported by physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law
enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and
circumstances they had at the time. Additionally, when any police officer makes an
arrest for any reason, the officer MUST swear and affirm that he/she is making the
arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously and in
bad faith, the officer and the City may be held liable.



http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf

 

[LolaMoon08]

I really do hope Tray had enough time to call 911. Maybe Tray didn't drop the phone, but hung up after Zimmerman caught up with him? Maybe it was then he realized this guy wasn't just going to stop following him? Maybe he seen the gun? So many questions. Please, please let 911 have caught something. Anything!

ETA: If Tray did call 911, I believe it proves that he himself was in fear of his life.

 

[jjenny]

Well then one of these statements is a lie.

1.Jacksonville-based Corey replaced local prosecutor Norm Wolfinger in the case and WFTV said several sources had confirmed that police had originally recommended manslaughter charges against Zimmerman, but that Wolfinger had not acted on their advice.






2.Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?
When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr.
Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time
was supported by physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law
enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and
circumstances they had at the time. Additionally, when any police officer makes an
arrest for any reason, the officer MUST swear and affirm that he/she is making the
arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously and in
bad faith, the officer and the City may be held liable.



http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf

Where is the contradiction between the two statements? Those are completely different things. They claim they couldn't arrest him on the spot. It doesn't mean that later they couldn't recommend charges to the prosecutor.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

You are correct, but it does say partial report.

Which in my mind begs the question, why haven't they released the full report? If everything was all copacetic and all.

:waitasec:

 

[SuziQ]

How on earth can you tell if a person is Hispanic from appearance only?
Wait, guess the same way you can tell a person is on drugs from a distance.

ITA. My daughter is white but latinos attempt to talk to her in Spanish all the time. They say "oh, we thought you were latino."

 

[vlpate]

Except that there are a lot of things still in question, not everyone has jumped to the conclusion that GZ could not have been defending himself. Did that article state what research those claims were based on?

Not an MSM article....the link is to a blog, which qualifies what is written within:

<modsnip>

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Yep lola - ITA

This is huge. We have the gunshot already caught on 911 call. IF Trayvon managed to hit 9-1-1 its a very good possibility that, if connected, the shot was also captured on that call as well.

There is just so much more to this that they aren't releasing. Common sense and logic (rare things in this day and age) tells me that if GZ was justified and it was self-defense and SPD's claim that there was no other evidence to dispute GZ's claim - then they would release everything and just keep saying "see, see" there is nothing to dispute a self-defense claim. but that's not what's happening here. We're getting a piece here, then a day later another piece over here..........with a lot of the pertinent information that would tell the public, or show the public that SPD is correct in saying there was no evidence to dispute self-defense.

Does that make any sense? :crazy:


JMHO

 

[annalia]

Here, I believe, is the link you are referring to:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/new...n-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation

However, it also states that Tracy Martin is Trayvon's mother and quotes him/her as saying that his/her son was shot sitting on the porch.

(Not directed at JJenny) I can only speak for myself but with huge inaccuracies like that, I am not going to cherry-pick one item in the article as gospel truth.

And wouldn't they have released his actual 911 call if this was true? We heard the other 911 calls.

 

[Yoda]

Witness says TM attacked GZ. With how msm has been reporting I am looking at all the info but waiting for the FBI to release it officially.



http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

 

[CathyinTexas]

It is insulting to be ridiculed for joining a thread on this forum,, especially when I've not made a single misstatement of fact nor have I speculated wildly about the media reports. It seems to me the "facts" aren't being discussed at all. You were not availed of the "facts" in the beginning, obviously. The girlfriend's statement wasn't released until almost 3 weeks after the fact. George Zimmerman said on the 26th that HE was yelling for help - fact. The police stated he was BLEEDING, not that there was blood on him, he was actively bleeding. It is a fact that he was taken into custody and transported to the police station - doesn't stop speculation about why he was just "sent home".

There is evidence in the 911 call that Trayvon was acting suspicious, GZ followed him, as is his job - there's no PROOF anywhere that says he continued to stalk him - and the dispatcher never said the word "STOP".

This has become huge and Farakahm is threatening violence - instead of beating the drum for another riot, I'm going to look at those "facts" that are available to anyone who cares to stop the hyperbole and look at them.

I have said this before, but again, I personally don't care that the assailant was injured by Trayvon, if he really was, when Trayvon would only be trying to keep the assailant from killing him.

 

[rotterdam]

Actually his dad said he didn't think it was Trayvon screaming.

I could only find one reference to that and it was socalled official info that came from the SPD and released to the Orlando Sentinel. On other videos directly from Tracy Martin's mouth, Mr Martin refers to the cries for help as his son's last vocal communications.
I find the info directly from SPD not credible anymore at this point. Rather more like CYA propaganda.

 

[SuziQ]

Actually his dad said he didn't think it was Trayvon screaming.

I've only seen one article stating this. "Police said" type of thing. Several others say different. We shall see.

 

[gitana1]

Please post a link backing up your claim he did run.

" 'Oh, he's right behind me, he's right behind me again,' " Crump said Martin told his girlfriend, whose name was not released. She urged Martin to run; he told her he was "just going to walk fast."

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/20/nation/la-na-trayvon-martin-20120321

Zimmerman said he was running.

If it does go to trial with a LE officer and a Paramedic testifying that GZ had injuries to his nose and the back of his head, it won't bode well for getting a conviction. JMO.

Why not? If a large, strange man stalks me on a dark street at night, then aggressively confronts me and attacks me, I have a right to fight back.

And how do I know Zimmerman attacked Trayvon and Trayvon didn't attack him? Here's what I said in a prior post:

1. Trayvon has no history of criminal activity.
2. Trayvon has no history of aggressive behavior according to any who know him.
3. Trayvon is reported to have been a gentle, soft spoken kid.
4. Trayvon reported he was scared because a strange man was following him.
5. A strange man was following Trayvon, in a car, and then on foot, at night.
6. Trayvon was trying to get away according to both Zimmerman and Tray's girlfriend.
7. Trayvon's killer outweighed him by almost double.
8. Trayvon's killer continued following him even after being told to not do that, and after muttering, "The a$$h*les always get away".
9. Trayvon's killer has a criminal record involving violence. He was charged with assault on an officer and only had the charges dismissed once he underwent a diversion program.
10. Trayvon's killer's ex girlfriend tried to get a restraining order against him citing numerous acts of violence against her on multiple occasions.
11. Some of Zimmerman's neighbors complained about Zimmerman's aggressive tactics: Quote:
A volunteer community watch captain who shot an unarmed Florida teenager to death last month had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics, a homeowner said.
Zimmerman, who patrolled the Retreat at Twin Lakes development in his own car, had been called aggressive in earlier complaints to the local police and the homeowner's association, according to a homeowner who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1340358.html
10. Trayvon's girlfriend heard Zimmerman confront him, heard Trayvon ask why he was following him and then heard the sound of the earbud clatter and then go silent, indicating something jarred that earbud from Trayvon's head.
11. Trayvon's mother identified her own son's voice on the 911 calls crying for help.
12. Zimmerman's friend, in an effort to defend him, stated that Zimmerman was fed up.

And others thought it was Trayvon screaming.

Including his own mother. I want to know from those who believe it could have been Zimmerman, if they think a mother would not know her own child's voice? Does anyone think a mother would want that pleading voice to be the last utterances of her child right before he was killed?

I agree. However, my question is.... would Al Sharpton have been concerned with whether said parents got answers or justice? Would there be this huge uproar in defense of said white child?


My guess is most probably not.

Well, since it is black people with the long history in our country of having justice denied, no. You see, black people have been marginalized in our country from the get go. It has gotten better but they are still profiled, discriminated against and oppressed on a daily basis. That's why people like Sharpton speak out. It is his chosen profession to try to fight for the rights of his people.

The girl herself was hospitalized after the incident, the parents of the girl claim, and I would bet can prove that they did in fact call Sanford PD and attempt to report that they had information that their daughter was on the phone with TM when the incident occurred, and they never got a call back, and the girl was never interviewed, although apparently she through her parents had come forward very early on.

Phone records should prove it.

him, obviously as has been reported and stated in the 911 call. I'm not just talking about the 911 calls but the witnesses statements. People calling 911 don't go into details-they are reporting in the minute what's happening. The callers were later interviewed as witnesses, whose statements were initially ignored or attempted to be altered by police were about the boy screaming.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/15/2696446/trayvon-martin-case.html

But so many don't want to find anything wrong with this killing. I guess "What's the big deal" He was, after all walking in a hoodie while black. Who cares what the witnesses say?

Much better to believe the killer, right? Isn't that what we always do? When a child is killed we look at what it was that caused the poor adult to kill him. Oh wait, I guess we don't usually do that. But here the boy was black and wearing a hoodie.

The parents knew the sounds of their child screaming:

You doubt the history of GZ and assuming black boys were criminals? I posted links and articles last night but I guess it bears repeating.

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1#.T2vOlRFjDHQ
This evidence of his propensity to target black youth is based not only upon the calls they still had. He made many more calls but they are not retained (he called 46 times since 1/2011), but also the e-mails he sent around and the anecdotes I've seen have him relating cations only about black boys:

It seems pretty clear to me and most other people I have encountered that Zimmermans conclusion that Treyvon was "up to no good" and dangerous was based in large part on his being a young black male. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but the facts are the facts and I haven't seen any indications he ever warned his neighbors about young blond guys or anything. As I white person I don't like to be accused of racism or to have the actions of all white people assumed to be based on racism. But when it exists I think it demands recognition.

Thank you.

it's a real, present and understandable fear. The President was asked about it and answered honestly and simply. I am saddened by the fact that this happened and anyone has to comment on it. Is it better to ignore it? I guess the people cheering GZ on would prefer it that way.

I see nothing political about the acknowledgement from the President that he empathizes in a real way, because it's a simple biological fact that if he had a son he would probably appear black as do his other children. It's not a political statement-it's the damn truth. There are no politics here. Everyone I know, of any political persuasion, is sickened by this. Gov Scott has appointed a special task force and expressed concern that something like this never happen again and he is certainly not of the same political persuasion. But maybe if people start saying it and repeat it enough they will make it political. I don't know the politics of political affiliation of any person involved in this tragedy but maybe you do.

I actually think Trayvon looks a bit like Sasha. That's the thing. Trayvon has a face that I think could remind a lot of people of their own kids, regardless of race. One of my brothers looked like him as a teen.

I can't get the video to work and I've yet to find an article online. Is this another ABC exclusive? Was that all that was said?

I'm puzzled over how Trayvon could have made a call to 911 if Zimmerman knocked his phone out of his hands.

He had an earbud. That is what the girlfriend said she believed clattered out of his head when something caused it to be jarred from his head. But he may have still had his phone and could dial.

 

[LolaMoon08]

And wouldn't they have released his actual 911 call if this was true? We heard the other 911 calls.

Not if they didn't investigate whether or not Trayvon called 911? We have to remember, they didn't even collect Zimmerman's clothes as evidence.

 

[vlpate]

I really do hope Tray had enough time to call 911. Maybe Tray didn't drop the phone, but hung up after Zimmerman caught up with him? Maybe it was then he realized this guy wasn't just going to stop following him? Maybe he seen the gun? So many questions. Please, please let 911 have caught something. Anything!

ETA: If Tray did call 911, I believe it proves that he himself was in fear of his life.

BEM: I totally agree.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Where is the contradiction between the two statements? Those are completely different things. They claim they couldn't arrest him on the spot. It doesn't mean that later they couldn't recommend charges to the prosecutor.

If they couldn't arrest him for a crime why do you think they could charge him with one?