FL - 17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #5

[mikeysmommom]

and yes for those wandering - Trayvon's father stated that Zimmerman weighed 250 pounds so that should clear up any confusion about that particular fact.

How does he know? Guessing or was he told.Also I have seen GZ height stated at 5'2" and also 5'8" does anyone know GZ height? TYIA.

 

[HiHater]

He did.

"While I was in such close cotact with Zimmerman, I could observe his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of the head."

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin Lakes Shooting Initial Report.pdf

Sounds like he noted blood to me.

That is CLEARLY not what I was talking about. Please go back and read in context.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I'm not sure how to do a blockquote.

"Police found a single shell casing at the scene, and when they seized George Zimmerman’s handgun, a Kel Tel 9 mm, its magazine was full, according to a source close to the investigation. The only bullet missing was the one in the chamber, the source said."

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/n...ired_once_not_twice_by_crime_watch_volunteer/

It would just be interesting to know from someone who has been in such a desperate situation, as fearing for ones life, how many shots were fired? I know everyone acts differently, but I would like to know anyways?

 

[HiHater]

with his obvious paranoia where everything a black boy does is strange and suspicious and dangerous? Like his statement that Trayvon was on drugs and up top no good and that there was "something wrong with him". Since he was sooo wrong about soo many other things why would I believe his characterizations of Trayvons activities?

THANKS. Hitting the thanks button wasn't enough. Zimmerman had already misjudged and mischaracterized SO many things in the span of his 4 minute 911 call...

 

[m00c0w]

It would just be interesting to know from someone who has been in such a desperate situation, as fearing for ones life, how many shots were fired? I know everyone acts differently, but I would like to know anyways?

There is no indication as to how many times Zimmerman attempted to fire.

 

[ynotdivein]

Intvwr: What did they tell you about what happened to Tray?

TM: Said there had been an altercation... My son was dead. Didn't go into details about what had happened because at that time he was saying that the details were still sketchy.

Intvwr: Did he ever use the word accident?

TM: Never.

Intvwr: Just altercation?

TM: He just said that it was an altercation and that my kid was dead.

Voice-over: Trayvon's father says two days after the killing, detectives told him what they believe happened during that altercation.

(Description as above, TM on GZ, beating GZ etc.)

TM: That's what I was told.

Intvwr: And what have you learned since?

TM: That it's bogus.

 

[Marshmallow]

There is no indication as to how many times Zimmerman attempted to fire.

one was too many

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Interesting. Tray's father on Dateline just said that the initial story that LE told him was that TM was atop GZ, TM's hand over GZ's mouth, and just "whaling on him," that GZ was somehow able to unholster his gun and shot TM. His father says that LE told him TM reared up and said, "You got me, man."

If that's the case it sounds like it was legitimately self defense.

 

[LolaMoon08]

There is no indication as to how many times Zimmerman attempted to fire.

I know. I just think it would be interesting to get information from someone who has been in that situation? When did they feel safe? One shot? Two shots? Three shots?

I watched a high speed car chase about a month ago (live) and I knew this guy was trying to commit suicide by cop even before he finally stopped his car, but the police, for very good reason, unloaded on the guy. It was the craziest, yet justified, thing I had ever seen happen.

 

[LolaMoon08]

If Trayvon's hand was over Zimmerman's mouth, Zimmerman's saliva should be on Trayvon's hand? Why didn't Zimmerman bite him?

 

[m00c0w]

I know. I just think it would be interesting to get information from someone who has been in that situation? When did they feel safe? One shot? Two shots? Three shots?

I watched a high speed car chase about a month ago (live) and I knew this guy was trying to commit suicide by cop even before he finally stopped his car, but the police, for very good reason, unloaded on the guy. It was the craziest, yet justified, thing I had ever seen happen.

You're instructed to shoot until they go down. I've read reports where only two or three shots were fired (a student robbed in an Ingles parking lot by two males), while in others the entire weapon was unloaded (a woman shooting a would-be rapist with her .22). I think it all depends on the scenario and the weapon.

 

[m00c0w]

If Trayvon's hand was over Zimmerman's mouth, Zimmerman's saliva should be on Trayvon's hand? Why didn't Zimmerman bite him?

Do you have access to a report that says he did not?

 

[Rougelatete]

IF they wanted things to calm down they would just arrest GZ.Since they have not caved in from the outside pressure IMO,JMO I am speculating they do have evidence that shows GZ should not have been arrested.Most likely they would have released the info they have by now.The Chief temporarily stepping down since he stands by his departments decision not to arrest, others are now handling this matter.So IMO That is why we have not seen more released.When the FBI, Special Prosecutor, and the Grand Jury get done with their investigations I am sure more will be released.All this is JMO and IMO.IIRC after George Anthonys Grand Jury testimony we sat on our hands for quite a while waiting till documents came out.

They could also be refusing to arrest him because it would make them look bad for not having arrested him a month ago when they should have, IMO. They'd have A LOT of answering to do if they turned around and arrested GZ right now. Why did they run TM's background check and not GZ's? Why did they not collect evidence at the scene, including GZ's clothing? Why did they correct a witness statement that she heard TM screaming for help? Why did they not take all witness statements that were available?

 

[Lovejac]

I have really heard everything now.

Friend Suggests Zimmerman Used ‘Term Of Endearment,’ Not Racial Slur, Before Killing Trayvon Martin

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/25/451392/friend-zimmerman-racial-slur-term-of-endearment/

ETA I guess next they'll be trying to tell us that a**holes is a term of endearment.

I honestly don't know what to say

These 'friends' who are trying to 'help' GZ should just stop. They are doing him no favors IMO.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Do you have access to a report that says he did not?

Nope. Wish I did! Can't wait to see it though. :rocker:

 

[Boytwnmom]

Seriously, only two weeks? Like that's supposed to be good? I find nothing commendable about this time line. Where I live people who kill someone generally get arrested and generally don't have the police chief make public statements defending them. Something is rotten in Sanford and now everyone knows it.

Here's a bit of the timeline which shows action only after family and public outcry:

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/features/trayvon-martin/trayvon-martin-timeline.html

Sunday, Feb. 26, 2012:

Sanford Police are called to 1231 Twin Trees Lane in Sanford after 911 calls reporting shots fired.
Police arrive to find a 17 year-old shot and killed. Police say there was a altercation between two males and shots were fired.

Monday, Feb. 27, 2012:

Sanford Police identify the shooting victim as Trayvon Martin. They identify the shooter as George Zimmerman.

Wednesday, Feb. 29, 2012:

Sanford Police say George Zimmerman was "serving in the role of neighborhood watch" when the shooting happened. Police say Trayvon was visiting friends of the family in Sanford for the week.

Thursday, Mar. 8, 2012:

Trayvon Martin's father, Tracy Martin, holds a press conference in Orlando. Martin is asking Sanford Police to arrest Zimmerman for murder.

Saturday, Mar. 10, 2012:

The family of Trayvon Martin gather at the Sanford Police Department urging police to make an arrest in the case.

Monday, Mar. 12, 2012:

Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee said at a press conference they weren't aware 28-year-old George Zimmerman had a criminal record.
The case is handed over to state prosecutors who will make a decision on if Zimmerman will face charges.

Tuesday, Mar. 13, 2012:

The family of Trayvon Martin call on the Sanford Police to release the 911 tapes in the shooting.

Wednesday, Mar. 14, 2012:

Religious leaders gathered at Allen AME Church in Sanford to discuss the case.

Thursday, Mar. 15, 2012:

The Florida Civil Rights Association is calling on Gov. Rick Scott to appoint a special prosecutor to look into the case.

Friday, Mar. 16, 2012:

Family members hold a press conference once again asking police for an arrest in the case. Shooting witnesses also speak out about George Zimmerman's guilt.
Sanford police release 911 tapes in the Zimmerman case.

Do you have evidence that it was being swept under the rug? Not even two weeks after the shooting, the police were turning it over to the state attorney. This was before there was such a big public furor over everything.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

one was too many

Not if he was being pummelled imo

 

[mikeysmommom]

If Trayvon's hand was over Zimmerman's mouth, Zimmerman's saliva should be on Trayvon's hand? Why didn't Zimmerman bite him?

Maybe GZ did bite him,they have not released autopsy report yet.

 

[Marshmallow]

if Mr Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle and waited for the police Mr Martin would be alive. This occurred because Mr Zimmerman chose to play cop and that makes him responsible for the death of a young man. Was it murder? to me no but definitely manslaughter. I do not think he intended to murder but he deifintely willfully used his gun in a positiion he had no business having a gun in. He knew the regulations for Neighborhood watch patrols, he chose this path. Now he must live it.


it saddens me greatly to see that a victim is now being attacked here.

 

[songline]

Jewell did nothing, Duke players nada but they were accused. GZ shot and killed Trayvon-he's dead isn't he? Who shot him? Is there any disagreement over that? No, so GZ is not being unfairly targeted. The only issue is whether the killer acted in self defense and since the killer's history and prior actions and words and actions that night are of record and since only the killer has the ability to speak having rendered the other party dead, he has a benefit to be gained from lying about the circumstances of how he came to kill the person and his "story" does not match the facts. There is no evidence he was jumped from behind while looking for a street sign or number but that is the story the police told without ANY investigation.

If someone shot and killed your child wouldn't you expect them to at least be arrested? to have homicide detectives secure the scene and evidence? to have the shooter drug and alcohol tested? etc etc. Everything that happened here can be explained in one simple way, race. GZ saw a black boy and said criminal, shot him and the police come and assume he's a criminal too and so no big deal. They test the victim but not the killer. If anyone thinks this is appropriate justice in this country I think you'll find yourself in a real minority.

THERE NEEDS TO BE JUSTIC IN BEHALF OF TRAYVON MARTIN. YES!!!!

IMO GZ s actions should be investigated WHY HOW WHEN???
but the media, the likes of HEAVEY WEIGHT PUBLIC figures and
the mob lynch toward George Zimmerman are way over the top.
THEY SAW AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE MONEY MACHINE
IT IS NOT A RACIAL CASE

It is very possible that George needed to get an address and was jumped.
The fact that George acted overzealous does not make him an automatic killer,
IMO nobody need to carry guns, but he was in FLA where it is OK.
Could the gun have gone off? was it a horrific unintended situation??
WE DO NOT KNOW.

JUSTICE IS DIFFERENT FROM REVENGE!!!

I THINK HE SHOULD BE LOCKED UP.
I think they have to come to terms what the charges would be.
I think JMO that it is Criminal Negligence - But what I see is errors right from the start.
Yes he should have been arrested, released on bail and investigated then charged.
BUT NO I DO NOT SEE - WHITE man kills young boy. Period end of story...
NO I don’t from all the information we currently have.

I do see that if Al Sharpton is here on the case this case will contribute to History.
Will it be good or bad we don’t know yet...
it seems to create more of a divide then a unit.

YES this case is international and will last a long time Caching!
It does not have to go this way