FL 17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #11

[pinkflamingo]

white people in this country that I'm unaware of? As a white person I would think I might have noticed. Have you missed the articles about the history of racial incidents in this town, including one with Jackie Robinson as well as with this police department?

Yes, it's called reverse racism. Did you read that article about the black boys lighting the white boy on fire and telling him that this is what he deserves white boy? Racism died 50 years ago as far as I am concerned. We have a black president in office. GZ was not white either~!

 

[dienermom]

This is all I have to say to Mr. Jackson.
MARTIN LUTHER KING DIED for Harmony among all people NOT to create a deeper divide.
IMHO Rev. Jackson is a divider not one who unites.
And I stand by that. MO

P.S. Martin Luther King, Jr. was an advocate of civil disobedience.

 

[rotterdam]

Which just goes back to when are you a private citizen and when are you on Neighborhood watch.

I'd argue that since he had his gun, was going to the store he was a private citizen not a watch captain.

Even when on neighborhood watch, he is still a private person IMO with no authority. Subject to the same laws.

 

[Beyond Belief]

I don't want GZ arrested unless they are convinced they have enough evidence. I do want him protected from the gangsters putting bounties on his head.
Wheels of justice turn slowly. The only place I ever found that you can get thing 'your way' is at McDonalds. Only a nutcase would stand around screaming 'arrest now'. They will arrest him if and when they know they will win in court.

 

[ggg]

But they can't arrest him unless they have evidence that contradicts his story.

John, "The Witness"

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEDBqvEauYU&feature=player_embedded"]Trayvon Martin was punching Neighborhood Watchman when he was shot.flv - YouTube.flv - YouTube[/ame]

 

[katydid23]

Sitting in traffic and protesting in other ways that might break ordinances, etc. is certainly not the same thing as inciting a "non-peaceful" event, such as a riot, as has been implied here. People may be arrested for these actions, but that does not make them violent.

I have lived through riots, all of which began as peaceful civil disobedience. I hope I am wrong. But they are bussing in people from across the country to march on the police station. There is going to be a lot of heightened emotions and anger, some of it unwarranted, imo. Deja Vu.

 

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

I would be surprised if any/most adults would offer a ride to an unknown child in today's climate with regard to sexual predators etc...

I would think those same people wouldn't stalk/follow/chase a child with that type of climate either.

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[gitana1]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/race_baiting

If the shoe fits...



That was the son of a lieutenant on the force. Zimmerman is no such thing.

What racially derisive language has Sharpton or Jackson used in this case?

And it may not matter that Zimmerman is not the son of a lieutenant on the force. Skin color, given the racial history of the region, is what the issue is. Had Collison struck a white dude in that manner, it is likely there would have been an arrest much faster. IMO.

 

[Boytwnmom]

"Civil Disobedience", as in Henry David Thoreau, not exactly a poster child of violence. Civil disobedience is viewed as the conscientious objection to laws which are manifestly unjust and offend the conscience. Hence, the acts of "unlawfulness" practiced during the civil rights movement. I don't find those frightening in the least, women not sitting in the back of the bus which the law demanded, black people sitting at whites only lunch counters, that is the face of American civil disobedience.

"escalation in peaceful civil disobedience and economic sanctions"

Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal to obey certain laws, demands, and commands of a government, or of an occupying international power.


It is nice that the Reverend put the word 'peaceful' in the middle of those words, but an escalation of civil disobedience means just what it says. A higher level of the refusal to obey certain laws.

How does a large angry crowd escalate peacefully? And how do they refuse to obey certain laws peacefully?

There are going to be some violent incidents, imo. Sharpton has said that the government has to arrest GZ NOW OR ELSE he unleashes the protestors, and asks them to escalate their civil disobedience, but 'peacefully.' Those words do not go together in a highly emotional situation like this, imo.

 

[jojomonkey]

John, "The Witness"

Trayvon Martin was punching Neighborhood Watchman when he was shot.flv - YouTube.flv - YouTube

So I want to see pictures that the police took of GZ that night showing lacerations, bruising, red marks, blood. Show us some evidence of that!

 

[Netzilla]

The only place I ever found that you can get thing 'your way' is at McDonalds.

Actually Burger King would disagree... LOL!

 

[Donjeta]

white people in this country that I'm unaware of? As a white person I would think I might have noticed. Have you missed the articles about the history of racial incidents in this town, including one with Jackie Robinson as well as with this police department?

Yes, it's called reverse racism. Did you read that article about the black boys lighting the white boy on fire and telling him that this is what he deserves white boy?

Not to say that reverse racism doesn't exist but I noticed a comment saying the police are trying to verify the veracity of his story. Wonder how it will turn out.

http://www.ksla.com/story/17260926/mother-of-teen-who-claims-set-on-fire-says-were-being-brushed-The situation is similar in that the parent is understandably upset due to feeling that the police isn't taking their child's plight seriously enough.

 

[songline]

I know what it's like to have your head repeatedly slammed into a hard surface. And, yes, you do worry that your brains are going to end up spilled across the floor. It's not funny. It isn't necessary to mock a physical assault to get the point across. I realize that people think GZ is lying but whatever happened, it ended in tragedy and IMO it's just not necessary to mock it. I feel the same about all the hoody jokes.

I think I'll time myself out before the mods do.

I feel as you do too.
It is tough talking to people who are "All Knowing"
IMHO we really o not know anything about the crucial 2 minutes.
WE DO NOT KNOW, and even the police has not linked all the dots.
so everyone from TMs attorney who make accusations as if they are facts.
To anyone here that does it.

 

[LolaMoon08]

John, "The Witness"

Trayvon Martin was punching Neighborhood Watchman when he was shot.flv - YouTube.flv - YouTube

Still, the big question remains, who initiated contact?

 

[TonyGatto]

This is all I have to say to Mr. Jackson.
MARTIN LUTHER KING DIED for Harmony among all people NOT to create a deeper divide.
IMHO Rev. Jackson is a divider not one who unites.
And I stand by that. MO

Jesse Jackson is a disciple of MLK, was there when he was killed. His rhetoric is no different. The vast majority of the country in the 1960's did not think MLK was for harmony, which is why he was gunned down. What makes Jesse Jackson any more of a divider than MLK?

 

[songline]

So I want to see pictures that the police took of GZ that night showing lacerations, bruising, red marks, blood. Show us some evidence of that![/QUOTE]

CLOSE UP. you can enlarge it and see more.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21353

 

[m00c0w]

What racially derisive language has Sharpton or Jackson used in this case?

And it may not matter that Zimmerman is not the son of a lieutenant on the force. Skin color, given the racial history of the region, is what the issue is. Had Collison struck a white dude in that manner, it is likely there would have been an arrest much faster. IMO.

You don't consider

"Targeting, arresting, convicting blacks and ultimately killing us is big business."

"Blacks are under attack."

to be racially derisive? You don't think those quotes are solely meant to inflame and provoke? Killing black people is big business. Right.

 

[gitana1]

First let me say, I'm on a cell using Tapatalk and it's really hard for me to read, follow, and respond to multi quotes. I cant see the part addressed to me while I'm typing my response. So if I seem to ignore portions, please know I did not. I read your entire post and I appreciate you taking time to "talk" to me here at WS. :smile:

Ok, disclaimer done.

I know the difficulties black people have faced in this country. I KNOW the heartache, struggles, sacrifice, and loss they have endured.
I get that. And I totally sympathize.
As an aside, my "idol" growing up was Harriet Tubman. I was obsessed with reading anything about her I could get my hands on.

Now, I was a little white girl in the deep south. So, I'm sure some people thought I was nuts. Lol

I'm not a racist. I HATE all forms of racism.

I believe everyone should be equal. Skin color should never matter.

I do think THIS case, as far as GZ is concerned is not a racial case.

LE??? Maybe. I just don't know.

But it really rubs me the wrong way when people call GZ a racist because we don't have any information that says that.

I'm sure you addresses more than this in your post. Sorry if I missed anything.

Thank you for that response. You didn't miss anything and your point is well taken. I respect your position and I understand it, even if I may disagree!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

That's quite a stretch. I agree that, if permits are acquired, peaceful demonstrations and marches are not civil disobedience. Which is all we have had thus far despite several people predicting some large-scale race riot.

But civil disobedience is NOT a riot. Two different things. As, I think, Katydid pointed out, civil disobedience includes sit-ins, taking over lobbies, refusing to get out of the road, etc. I will add that it includes chaining oneself to a fence, marches or rallies without permit, and so on. It's what Ghandi did during his years of activism and what MLK and his followers did during the civil rights movement. Illegal activity, but not a riot. Civil disobedience is the conscious refusal to follow certain laws, in a peaceful manner, in an effort to make a point.

Sitting in traffic is peaceful?
I'm sure that's disturbing the peace for people who need to get somewhere.
Taking over lobbies is disturbing peoples peace also.

Not my definition of peaceful.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Well, that last posted news story says the boy was punching and on top, gz calling for help.
If thats a legitimate witness, theres your story.