GUILTY FL - Abraham Shakespeare, 42, lottery winner, Polk County, 7 April 2009 #4

[Chili Fries]

I found some more listings by a dd6062 on various forums... one in GA too

What the heck does "ttt" mean? It's at the end of some of the "classifieds" posts? Like that's all the last message is. ttt

Here's an example: Sold - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

"ttt" means "to the top". People use it on all different kinds of forums. "Bump" can also be used. It just means that the poster wants that particular thread sent to the top of the forum, like what happens in this forum when a new post is made.

Also, I'm still extremely skeptical that Barnhill and Stitzel are the same person. I just don't see it at all from the photos.

 

[wanttohelp]

stitzel whos in access of
140,000
72,000
13,000
37,000
15,000

and his wife is set to get almost 9,000 a month in alimony, LOL.

No wonder hes doing business in a shack!

Also his wives veronica and vina are not the same people. Vina has 2 prior marriages.
The property involved from the prostko side also does not look shady imo. Looks like maybe they couldn't get a loan in the amount they needed or something so another party signed on with them. They then get that paid of and Vincent transfers the property to Donna when they divorce. Next transactions are all a.d. Its probate, leaving interest in the property to the stitzels which they are then involved with signing off on in the sale of it.

 

[Susan1]

In the real world, ducks are ducks, Holey Land is
http://wikimapia.org/262288/Holey-Land-Wildlife-Management-Area
Rotenberger is
http://myfwc.com/Recreation/WMASites_Rotenberger_index.htm
Buckhead Ridge is
http://www.floridasmart.com/local/cities/b/buckheadridge_glades.htm
and Fisheating Bay is:
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lon=-81.0625&lat=26.9375
In Florida, a peninsula surrounded by water, people park their boats on the front lawn with no ulterior motives. Hogs are hunted and trapped as they are a nuisance and run wild and have attacked people and cause traffic accidents.
In Plant City, Victoria is Victoria and Vina is Vina. Howard Stitzel is Howard Stitzel and David Barnhill is David Barnhill and both have law degrees and both are admitted to the bar and both have the know how to sue for libel. You get proof they are separate people when they pose for a picture and then it is photoshopped? The three go to a radio station and host a radio show and you don't believe the are 3 different people? David Barnhill was Howard Stitzel's attorney in his divorce action.
http://tinyurl.com/y9yz2rc
go to the link above.
Now it would be extremely difficult for him to appear in court as himself and the other person.
This thread started out as helpful to LE with a focus on Abraham Shakespeare and his disappearance and has disintegrated into the point of finding code words on ebay and the secret duck society. I did not understand much of what is being written here not because of my inability to grasp complex thought (I'm a college grad), but because it did not make sense. Some poor guy trying to sell golf clubs now has secret meaning hidden in his post? This thread has disintegrated to laughable, and actionable.
Investigating, IF you are even still reading this, it would be really nice if you would add your two cents to this and stop the fairy tales. It has become really bizarre with very little focus on Abraham's disappearance.
And yes, Virginia, there is a Plant City, Florida.

 

[blue mermaid]

fwiw, I do believe Barnhill and Stitzel are two different individuals.

My comments about photoshopping are related to the idea that the individual portraits were probably done in a studio somewhere, then photoshopped together to make them look like it was one shot. It's difficult to get three folks to be happy with a single group shot that will be used in that capacity.

I had the misfortune to be a victim of a professional con artist a few years ago, and personal experience with the "truth is stranger than fiction" concept. But I also have difficulty wrapping my head around using eBay and hunting forums to solicit crooked property transactions. I think cons and swindlers take advantage of an opportunity, and keep it fairly simple. JMO.

 

[Iminuru]

The Holey Land and the Rottenburgers and buckhead fisheating stuff... like I mentioned, in a post, I hadn't caught up yet and was posting some stuff along the lines of jibber jabber coded ducks... it may OR may not be useful... it's as we also stated somewhere..." RAW DATA"... or "unanalyzed data; data not yet subjected to analysis"... Raw data (sometimes called source data or atomic data) is data that has not been processed for use... Although raw data has the potential to become "information," it requires selective extraction, organization, and sometimes analysis and formatting for presentation... As a result of processing, raw data sometimes ends up in a database, which enables the data to become accessible for further processing and analysis in a number of different ways. Also, we may have stated... or eluded to the fact that not all of our research is posted on here... some still with each person, and person may have only posted the gist of something so to share it with another for other reasons of further research. Yes, hard to grasp. Yes, not all useful. No, not entirely useless.

Because of Florida's water, boats, lawns, hogs, hunting, trapping etc being so common, it would and/or could be a very useful "smoke screen". It could also be nothing, but why not collect as raw date to begin with... then eliminate if it shows to be nothing. To eliminate before showing it as nothing, would be to assume before proof.

The Stitzel/Barnhill dilemma is again, raw data in the process of being analized. Though I've only posted parts of what I have collected on this, I don't believe it is something that should be tossed in the trash until it has been completely ruled out. Both have the know how to create whatever they want to "appear" as they want it perceived... whether it be bars, radio, created pictures, divorces, property deals, diploma's, paper's on wall, or anything else. None of which was done overnight, or short period of time... this is a work of many years.

This Websleuths IS HELPFUL to LE, as well as ABRAHAM SHAKESPEARE... and IMO has not disintegrated in any way shape or form! IMO, it is in no way laughable or actionable!

I have no doubt that investigatingthecase is reading all of this on a regular basis... and if for any reason, they felt that we were barking up the wrong tree... they would point this out...and until that time, I don't believe we should discount anything and abandon ship here.

Abraham IS OUR FOCUS!!! Compiling posts, in reference to this, leaves no doubt to this... and that is not raw data... that is proven fact of what we are doing here... we are going with our hearts, and doing the best we can with what we have!

Yes, it is very bizarre... to say the least... but it is real... VERY REAL... as is Websleuths and the people who are so dedicated to finding out what happened to, and WHERE IS ABRAHAM SHAKESPEARE!

With respect,
Iminuru

.

 

[Iminuru]

My post.. "Raw..."... is in reference to:

09:13 AM
Susan1

In the real world, ducks are ducks, Holey Land is
http://wikimapia.org/262288/Holey-La...anagement-Area
Rotenberger is
http://myfwc.com/Recreation/WMASites...rger_index.htm
Buckhead Ridge is
http://www.floridasmart.com/local/ci...dge_glades.htm
and Fisheating Bay is:
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lon=...25&lat=26.9375
In Florida, a peninsula surrounded by water, people park their boats on the front lawn with no ulterior motives. Hogs are hunted and trapped as they are a nuisance and run wild and have attacked people and cause traffic accidents.
In Plant City, Victoria is Victoria and Vina is Vina. Howard Stitzel is Howard Stitzel and David Barnhill is David Barnhill and both have law degrees and both are admitted to the bar and both have the know how to sue for libel. You get proof they are separate people when they pose for a picture and then it is photoshopped? The three go to a radio station and host a radio show and you don't believe the are 3 different people? David Barnhill was Howard Stitzel's attorney in his divorce action.
http://tinyurl.com/y9yz2rc
go to the link above.
Now it would be extremely difficult for him to appear in court as himself and the other person.
This thread started out as helpful to LE with a focus on Abraham Shakespeare and his disappearance and has disintegrated into the point of finding code words on ebay and the secret duck society. I did not understand much of what is being written here not because of my inability to grasp complex thought (I'm a college grad), but because it did not make sense. Some poor guy trying to sell golf clubs now has secret meaning hidden in his post? This thread has disintegrated to laughable, and actionable.
Investigating, IF you are even still reading this, it would be really nice if you would add your two cents to this and stop the fairy tales. It has become really bizarre with very little focus on Abraham's disappearance.
And yes, Virginia, there is a Plant City, Florida.
Last edited by Susan1; Today at 09:25 AM. Reason: Forgot about the hogs

 

[cholzsch]

This thread started out as helpful to LE with a focus on Abraham Shakespeare and his disappearance and has disintegrated into the point of finding code words on ebay and the secret duck society.

Thank you Susan...I was beginning to think it was just me...that I entered into an alternate universe, and in that universe, this thread was about secret societies (maybe the free masons did it), and not the disappearance of one Abraham Shakespeare.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

blue mermaid, I'm sorry that you had the misfortune of dealing with a con artist. There are too many in society, IMO.

FWIW, I too think Barnhill and Stitzel are two seperate individuals.

You bring up "truth being stranger than fiction" and I tend to look at situations in that light. This situation does seem to have it's fair share of strange but I can't connect the dots between much of the information. My brain doesn't always process well so I never know if I'm comprehending or not.

I've gone back and forth with myself in regards to the swindler and con(s) in this case. DM stated that she helped AS disappear. The money/house transactions from AS to DM appear imo as a huge red flag. I believe DM swindled AS. JMO.

The one worry I'd posted about was DM ingratiating herself with others clients she possibly could meet through the Medical Staffing operation. That's pure speculation on my part (her meeting clients I mean) but the worry is that others may have fallen prey to these home transactions and there wasn't anyone to protect them. IMO, that's one reason I think some of the property transactions should be looked at closely (to be sure no one was ripped off.)

One thought I had with some of the property transactions was a curiousity and I still don't know if it's logical, but I did wonder if some of these transactions could have been based on someone lending someone money and that person signing the house over, via quit claim deed, because some people could have a need for quick cash and don't qualify for a bank loan. (Much like people take loans against their auto title.) I don't explain well, but hope someone understands what I'm trying to say.

This is about as far as I can theorize and it's all JMO.

Prayers that everything gets investigated and deemed either valid or invalid and that the right person or people face justice if it's due to be served.

I very much wish that someone would come forward to give AS's family some answers. My prayers are with them.

 

[tehcloser]

LB, for the past few pages I was starting to think you were :tipsy:, but now :idea:, your genius.
Maybe we could move this thread to the parking lot, etc.:censored: since I have a feeling someone :trout: is inviting trouble :shakehead:

Please....I am not trying to invite trouble. Good grief, I made a statement that I was confused. This is all hard to follow. I think all the digging is great....but I'm still confused. Thanks.

 

[blue mermaid]

blue mermaid, I'm sorry that you had the misfortune of dealing with a con artist. There are too many in society, IMO.

FWIW, I too think Barnhill and Stitzel are two seperate individuals.

You bring up "truth being stranger than fiction" and I tend to look at situations in that light. This situation does seem to have it's fair share of strange but I can't connect the dots between much of the information. My brain doesn't always process well so I never know if I'm comprehending or not.

I've gone back and forth with myself in regards to the swindler and con(s) in this case. DM stated that she helped AS disappear. The money/house transactions from AS to DM appear imo as a huge red flag. I believe DM swindled AS. JMO.

The one worry I'd posted about was DM ingratiating herself with others clients she possibly could meet through the Medical Staffing operation. That's pure speculation on my part (her meeting clients I mean) but the worry is that others may have fallen prey to these home transactions and there wasn't anyone to protect them. IMO, that's one reason I think some of the property transactions should be looked at closely (to be sure no one was ripped off.)

One thought I had with some of the property transactions was a curiousity and I still don't know if it's logical, but I did wonder if some of these transactions could have been based on someone lending someone money and that person signing the house over, via quit claim deed, because some people could have a need for quick cash and don't qualify for a bank loan. (Much like people take loans against their auto title.) I don't explain well, but hope someone understands what I'm trying to say.

This is about as far as I can theorize and it's all JMO.

Prayers that everything gets investigated and deemed either valid or invalid and that the right person or people face justice if it's due to be served.

I very much wish that someone would come forward to give AS's family some answers. My prayers are with them.

Well said. I've wondered about the quitclaim/quick cash thing myself.

I think all the research is being done in an effort TO connect the dots. Because of the folks involved, there are many tangents and I'm in no position to determine what is valid and what isn't. If one little tiny piece of information could assist in finding Abraham, then the effort is worth it. JMO.

My personal situation was much different from all this and the con was discovered before it was too late. In some ways it was a blessing in disguise but it sure was a major punch to the gut at the time.

 

[justplainmetal]

IMO, Abraham Shakespeare needs his own sub forum up top with others like Susan Powell.
It would be nice to have different threads for the players in the case, the qc deed transactions, the "code word" research, etc...

There has been so much research in the case it would be nice to have it divided up in categories to make it easier to access the information... and for people to be able to follow it.

How 'bout it Tricia? Or mods?

MOO

 

[Iminuru]

On topic & Off topic

I have a bunch of doctor appointments to tend to this week (and next week too), so I won't be able to be around here. Sorry if I created a bunch of confusion and hard feelings... guess it's kinda like a good mystery book, when ya get into it, it's hard to put down. I forgot that computer/Internet can steer ya all over the place and land ya in fantasy land. Anyway, when other priorities take 1st place, that is the way to go... and where I must go! Drats!

Thanks, in advance, for your patience with my absurd nature! LOL

Just me

 

[LaLaw2000]

I'll also be signing off for awhile to get back to my life.

Take care, LB

You take care also, LB, and thank you for all of your hard work! You are terrific! Hurry back!

 

[Tricia]

Dear Websleuths Members,

I think we are getting a bit off track here and into an area that is just plain weird.

Please keep things on track and real. Don't go off into left field and post things that no one can understand.

The whole purpose of this thread is for everyone to either partcipate and read about the case. It does us no good if what your posting about makes us scratch our heads.

Please keep it down to earth OK?

Tricia
PS. Please do not start questioning me on every little thing you want to post. Use your own judgement.

 

[LaLaw2000]

On topic & Off topic

I have a bunch of doctor appointments to tend to this week (and next week too), so I won't be able to be around here. Sorry if I created a bunch of confusion and hard feelings... guess it's kinda like a good mystery book, when ya get into it, it's hard to put down. I forgot that computer/Internet can steer ya all over the place and land ya in fantasy land. Anyway, when other priorities take 1st place, that is the way to go... and where I must go! Drats!

Thanks, in advance, for your patience with my absurd nature! LOL

Just me

Good luck with your appointments, Iminuru. Absurd nature? No. I appreciate all of your hard work! Thank you, and countless others who have given so much of their time for AS. That is the ONLY way he will be found.

 

[wanttohelp]

Please....I am not trying to invite trouble. Good grief, I made a statement that I was confused. This is all hard to follow. I think all the digging is great....but I'm still confused. Thanks.

:waitasec:I have no idea how your post got quoted in my responce. I was refering to the poster who thinks we should invite stitzel, byrd, etc here. lol, look again i had thanked your post.

 

[Tricia]

Guys,

Stizl and Byrd are not going to come here. I promise.

You are all so AMAZING. This is one of the most exciting cases we have had on Websleuths and it is all due to you and your great sleuthing.

Please do not make us go backward by talking about hogs and all of that.

It is a complicated case but only because the main suspect is clever. You are on the right track there.

I am begging you do not take offense at what I am telling you. Please listen and understand that I say this for the sake of the case and your sake.

Thank you,
Tricia

 

[wanttohelp]

In the real world, ducks are ducks, Holey Land is
http://wikimapia.org/262288/Holey-Land-Wildlife-Management-Area
Rotenberger is
http://myfwc.com/Recreation/WMASites_Rotenberger_index.htm
Buckhead Ridge is
http://www.floridasmart.com/local/cities/b/buckheadridge_glades.htm
and Fisheating Bay is:
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lon=-81.0625&lat=26.9375
In Florida, a peninsula surrounded by water, people park their boats on the front lawn with no ulterior motives. Hogs are hunted and trapped as they are a nuisance and run wild and have attacked people and cause traffic accidents.
In Plant City, Victoria is Victoria and Vina is Vina. Howard Stitzel is Howard Stitzel and David Barnhill is David Barnhill and both have law degrees and both are admitted to the bar and both have the know how to sue for libel. You get proof they are separate people when they pose for a picture and then it is photoshopped? The three go to a radio station and host a radio show and you don't believe the are 3 different people? David Barnhill was Howard Stitzel's attorney in his divorce action.
http://tinyurl.com/y9yz2rc
go to the link above.
Now it would be extremely difficult for him to appear in court as himself and the other person.
This thread started out as helpful to LE with a focus on Abraham Shakespeare and his disappearance and has disintegrated into the point of finding code words on ebay and the secret duck society. I did not understand much of what is being written here not because of my inability to grasp complex thought (I'm a college grad), but because it did not make sense. Some poor guy trying to sell golf clubs now has secret meaning hidden in his post? This thread has disintegrated to laughable, and actionable.
Investigating, IF you are even still reading this, it would be really nice if you would add your two cents to this and stop the fairy tales. It has become really bizarre with very little focus on Abraham's disappearance.
And yes, Virginia, there is a Plant City, Florida.

if you read all the post you would see i posted this link already more than once.

 

[Tricia]

IMO, Abraham Shakespeare needs his own sub forum up top with others like Susan Powell.
It would be nice to have different threads for the players in the case, the qc deed transactions, the "code word" research, etc...

There has been so much research in the case it would be nice to have it divided up in categories to make it easier to access the information... and for people to be able to follow it.

How 'bout it Tricia? Or mods?

MOO

I agree but I want to make sure we are all together and not going off into some zone that we don't understand and we keeping it to the facts, to what we know, and to the clues.

Let's wait a few days and see how it goes.

 

[wanttohelp]

stitzel whos in access of...
140,000
72,000
13,000
37,000
15,000
in judgements.

and his wife is set to get almost 9,000 a month in alimony, LOL.

No wonder hes doing business in a shack!

Also his wives veronica and vina are not the same people. Vina has 2 prior marriages.
The property involved from the prostko side also does not look shady imo. Looks like maybe they couldn't get a loan in the amount they needed or something so another party signed on with them. They then get that paid of and Vincent transfers the property to Donna when they divorce. Next transactions are all a.d. Its probate, leaving interest in the property to the stitzels which they are then involved with signing off on in the sale of it.

bumping...