FL - Abraham Shakespeare, 42, lottery winner, Polk County, 7 April 2009 #6

[wanttohelp]

Did you know about this?:cop::cop:
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[wanttohelp]

FUNNY you should mention this. pp told me she was helping debm, run the company from up her in nwfl, i asked her how much are you making, she said no one is getting paid, that deb had no busness acct. and it first went to payroll, they pay the hired help and i said , there is something wrong with that picture.

I forgot to ask about this, so your saying these people say they are running the company with no pay? :waitasec:

 

[guitarman_fl]

Finally or Guitarman,

Even though DebM and Shar's mother didn't move into the red house until 2010, but did either of them know or ever talk to Abraham Shakespeare?

Do you know if DebM, or Shar's mother knew D. Howard Stitzel? Being the neighbor renting the other house, did he ever stop into the red house to visit or chat or whatever?

ACR

question one, i do not know,,,,,,actually i do not know the answer to either questins.......sorry....

 

[Finally_]

I forgot to ask about this, so your saying these people say they are running the company with no pay? :waitasec:

No, the nurses are being paid. A payroll company handles all the paying of employees and the billing to the facilities. There is a reserve at all times, so that the employees are paid. When bills are submitted, the payroll company receives the payment, they then take out their percentage and whatever else then after that they deposit the rest into a business account. The one's that aren't receiving pay is the owner, because for some reason the payroll company has continued to transfer the deposits into DDM's business account.

 

[wanttohelp]

Did you know about this?:cop::cop:
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MUNGUIA, JORGE ANTONIO II

Current Verified PERMANENT Address:
1354 WRIGHTS CREEK RD
BONIFAY, FL 32425

08/05/2009 GRAND THEFT,300 L/5,000 12/10/2009
10/15/2009 GRAND THEFT,300 L/5,000 01/13/2010
10/15/2009 TRAFFIC IN STOLEN PROPERTY 01/13/2010

 

[ACandyRose]

Well, when they area released, be prepared, I think we all know, what she will try to do in all this...and I think she just says alot of what she says, to really support her efforts of what she is going to try to claim. It's hysterical the things she comes up with. What's not so funny is....the !@@## took a man's life and affected so many others, and actually tries to maintain her innocence!

Perhaps you could at least tell us if she's increased her list of those who did kill Abraham. Like is she throwing more people under the bus?

 

[guitarman_fl]

I forgot to ask about this, so your saying these people say they are running the company with no pay? :waitasec:

i asked pp how much was she getting paid for working, she said nothing, the money all went to a payroll company, and debm had no bus. bank account. i say if it looks like crap and smells like crap, stop dancing in it...we know someone is making money or was, i would use this company to care for a pet rock.

 

[wanttohelp]

i asked pp how much was she getting paid for working, she said nothing, the money all went to a payroll company, and debm had no bus. bank account. i say if it looks like crap and smells like crap, stop dancing in it...we know someone is making money or was, i would use this company to care for a pet rock.

Best summary, comment, etc. I've heard in a long time!
:laughbounce::floorlaugh::toast:

 

[Susan1]

FINALLY: Yes, I am well aware of this and have been. Was in hopes it would not get brought up. There was no way for DebM to continue to try to run a business with the tarnished AMP name. That's why this was done. I truly don't think DebM had anything to do with any of the AS factors. I truly believe she is a good person, and I was truly hoping that out of all of this, after all her back busting she did for DDM over the years, that she would have a chance of making a go with a new name.[/QUOT

WANTTOHELP: why would she pick the same name practically as one of their companies and why is she listing that address?

No, the nurses are being paid. A payroll company handles all the paying of employees and the billing to the facilities. There is a reserve at all times, so that the employees are paid. When bills are submitted, the payroll company receives the payment, they then take out their percentage and whatever else then after that they deposit the rest into a business account. The one's that aren't receiving pay is the owner, because for some reason the payroll company has continued to transfer the deposits into DDM's business account.

I will start by saying I have a neighbor who was loaned money by Abraham. I don't know her well, just enough to say hello to if I see her on the street. I had to visit her once about a having a fence installed as she is on the HOA board. Took a whole 2 minutes for her to sign off on it. That was the only conversation we have ever had. I've heard things about the situation with her home loan from others in my neighborhood, but not from her. But that was what piqued my interest in this case at the beginning. It touched close to home. This case had a tie to not just the city I live in, but the neighborhood I live in. The rest of them, I don't know, never met. I have no agenda here other than to find the truth. It is very complex with enough people involved since the lottery winning to fill a house at a theater.
The way I look at it, the closer they are to the sources, Dorice Moore as accused perp and Abraham, the victim, the more their actions will be scrutinized. If their actions are public record or if their actions bring them into media attention, then they are involved enough to be discussed. If they associate with criminals, they are not guilty by association, but if they become involved in that criminal activity, whether accidentally, unknowingly, or with intent, again, their involvement will bring them in the public eye and their actions that are public record will be brought out under the light of the Sunshine State. If they have made stupid decisions, although not criminal, then so be it. I'm sure there are many people who have somehow gotten involved in this mess through just their association with Dorice, Abraham, and Howard Stitzel. Johnnie Byrd was a good example. He was a law partner with Howard Stitzel and trusted the wrong person in the end and pulled out of the partnership too late, after some amount of damage was done to his company. His name is on the document as the one who prepared the Quit Claim deed for the Redhawk home Abraham owned, the one that Dorice says she paid $655,000 and no money changed hands. He has since explained that he did not know either Dorice or Abraham, that they were Howard's clients, and when Howard left, he took those clients with them. He said he did not prepare that deed and explained it that the header with his name on it was automatically generated by a computer in error. Very shortly after the Quit Claim deed for the Redhawk house was prepared, Howard Stitzel was preparing the assignments from a new address. Howard is reported to have said to the media it was because of business differences. Just an opinion, but given the close proximity in dates, I'm guessing that Johnnie Byrd was not too happy about having his name on that document and these transactions could have been part of the business difference that caused Byrd to fire Stitzel. Byrd said it was because he wasn't showing up at the office, but if Byrd did not prepare that document, as he claims, and I do believe that, then to me it appears that Stitzel may have at least shown up to prepare that Quit Claim deed. There are 2 witnesses on that deed that can be subpoeaned.
However, I digress. I am close to no one on this case. I have no one I am protecting or defending. I just want the truth. I think if you have done something that is associated with this case or the people close to it, and if it is public records and it can be proven to be true, then it is open to discussion. The who, what, when, where, and how are all pretty much factual information. But even those get distorted. Who wrote prepared the quit claim deed? As per the document, it would be Johnnie Byrd. As per Johnnie Byrd, he did not prepare the deed and they were Howard Stitzel's clients. It is when we get to the "why did they do it" that we can get really get hung up because we can't read people's minds and it often comes down to differences of opinions. And since Dorice does not seem to be able to tell the truth, what she says is not going to be where I go for the answer.
So, thanks to wanttohelp for the link because I had no idea that American Medical Professionals, LLC of 1354 Wrights Creek Rd., Bonifay, FL had applied for a fictitious name, Stat Nursing Personnel, on 2/3/10, active at present, with an expiration date of 12/31/2015. And looking at the actual document at the link, the mailing address of Stat Nursing Personnel is 5732 SR 60, Plant City, FL, 33567, or that Debbie Munguia had signed that document as the owner of the fictitious name. She has also signed as an oath that she has advertised the name at least once in a newspaper where the business is register. I must have missed the publication of the name in the newspaper. I'd be interested to see it because I would think she would also have to tie the name American Medical Professional as the owner of Stat Nursing Personnel in that publication.
So, IN MY OPIONION, this was a really stupid move. Why not just open a brand new business that does not have the stench of fraud and theft, that does not have Abraham Shakespeare's money flowing through it's coffers?
Even more stupid, IN MY OPINION, if your statement, "The one's that aren't receiving pay is the owner, because for some reason the payroll company has continued to transfer the deposits into DDM's business account" is correct, that she isn't even getting paid by leaving AMP open. She should close it down if she really owns it and start her own brand new, clean business without the stigma of the murder of a man for profit attached to it. And why would anyone want to work that hard for a company where they would not even being paid?
Sorry, on this one, I am clearly on the other side of the fence. If that money is still being funnelled to Dorice from some other scam she is pulling even though she supposedly no longer owns the company, then she should not even be getting a public defender, she should be using the money from the profits the company is currently pulling in (not from the past questionable amounts she funnelled through the company). And until she cuts ties with AMP and breaks out in a new direction, then I don't see that changing names is going to help her much when the same company still owns it.
And also from wanttohelp, thank you very much, excellent research and you caught it really quickly, she is using an address for the company, 1354 Wrights Creek Rd., Bonifay, FL 32425, the same current verified address of Jorge Munguia who is on active probation for 3 felonies, 8/5/09 - grand theft, 10/15/09, grand theft, and 10/15/09, trafficing in stolen property. The fact that she is linking an address where he resides with her company would not give me a lot of faith in that business. Again, IN MY OPINION, anyone with any business sense would get an office, not hook their company with the address of a felon, especially when it comes to a financial felon.
Finally, wanttohelp, you mentioned that the name is the same and I know you are right as I believe I remember some company that I believed Shar owned that had Stat in it, but I can't remember what it was. Wouldn't a person with business sense come up with a name as far removed as possible from this whole sordid ordeal?
I am not even meaning to imply there is anything further criminal occuring with her company or with her work. But I really do believe if she is as squeaky clean as some posters have appeared to me they believe her to be, she should get a good business advisor and rethink what she is doing. Trying to hide the name of a tainted company makes the new company look just as tainted, IN MY NOT ALWAYS ON THE MARK OPINION.

 

[tigergal71]

Yes, I am well aware of this and have been. Was in hopes it would not get brought up. There was no way for DebM to continue to try to run a business with the tarnished AMP name. That's why this was done. I truly don't think DebM had anything to do with any of the AS factors. I truly believe she is a good person, and I was truly hoping that out of all of this, after all her back busting she did for DDM over the years, that she would have a chance of making a go with a new name.

This is exactly what I was going to say.....AMP is Deb's company now, and she cannot very well expect to run it successfully after all the AS/DDM crap. So I can understand the new name.......Great find, wanttohelp!!!!

 

[tigergal71]

Did you know about this?:cop::cop:
Link Here

what was this? When I clicked the link I got an error from the Florida Dept of Corrections. I tried to use the "offender search" and nothing comes up under Moore Dorice (I clicked "search using aliases" button)

????

 

[Susan1]

This is exactly what I was going to say.....AMP is Deb's company now, and she cannot very well expect to run it successfully after all the AS/DDM crap. So I can understand the new name.......Great find, wanttohelp!!!!

New name, but same company, which according to the poster above, with profits still being funnelled to Dorice. I don't think she will be able to change the company by changing the name. I personally believe she needs to start a brand new business in an office space address that is not associated with financial felons or murder and that no proceeds come from money funnelled from Abraham Shakespeare's lottery winnings. I think if she really wants to succeed at this type of business, she will need to distance herself as far as she can from AMP and it's tainted name and business dealings.

 

[Susan1]

what was this? When I clicked the link I got an error from the Florida Dept of Corrections. I tried to use the "offender search" and nothing comes up under Moore Dorice (I clicked "search using aliases" button)

????

That was where she was trying to link to the Mungia who is on probation for financial felonies and who has listed as a verified residential address the same address Debbie Mungia is using for American Medical Professionals. The corrections site does not seem to let you link directly to the offender. I guess you have to start a new search instead.
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveOffenders/detail.asp?Bookmark=5&From=list&SessionID=977933944
Also, possible relatives:
http://www.people-finders.ws/Summar...y=&state=FL&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=68&y=12

So, how am I doing at connecting the dots?
And wanttohelp, that really was some excellent research.
And I would like to see DDM come on the site and talk to us. She also had an insider view while things were going down. I do remember, though, in her interview that I believe she said that she was unaware of what was happening when she moved into that house. But I'm sure she figured it out quickly enough when her home became a crime scene.

I'd also like to hear why, if as the criminal affidavit has referred to AMP's accounts as the ones Dorice used for both personal and business and why when they have records of Abraham's money being funnelled through that business, they have not at least temporarily seized the business and the assets as evidence for this crime of murder for money. If they seized it and froze the accounts and put liens on the properties it owns, perhaps there would still be some chance of recovering some of Abraham's money and assets for his family.

 

[joybell]

...mungia has been arrested in the last couple of weeks...i remember seeing the name and connecting the dots...just got to find it again...that's here in bay county, fl

 

[Susan1]

...mungia has been arrested in the last couple of weeks...i remember seeing the name and connecting the dots...just got to find it again...that's here in bay county, fl

Which Munguia? The one on probation linked above or another one?

 

[tigergal71]

New name, but same company, which according to the poster above, with profits still being funnelled to Dorice. I don't think she will be able to change the company by changing the name. I personally believe she needs to start a brand new business in an office space address that is not associated with financial felons or murder and that no proceeds come from money funnelled from Abraham Shakespeare's lottery winnings. I think if she really wants to succeed at this type of business, she will need to distance herself as far as she can from AMP and it's tainted name and business dealings.

ANd this makes perfect sense. Why not close down existing AMP company (the one with the new ficticious name) and open a brand new company, funnelling all nurses and other employees through new company? Create new account with payroll company so that all funds cease from going into DM's accounts and begin going into accounts owned by DebM. Because yes, anyone who "does their research" on the company, will be able to trace it back to DeeDee and if they search for the owner address and find that Jorge's felony record, well, none of that bodes well for business! Good points Susan1!!

 

[JLMcKenna83]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, looks like Merissa Green wrote another wonderful article about Abraham.. 8 pages.. and it looks like it ran in last Sunday's paper...

Millionaire's Ignorance Left Him at the Mercy of Others

Being a multimillionaire didn't stop Abraham Lee Shakespeare from picking pennies off the ground.

He would say pennies make dollars," said Gregory Todd Smith, a longtime friend who helped Polk County investigators crack the case of the Florida Lottery winner's disappearance and death.

"If I don't be able to enjoy my money, my dream has already come true - to get rich," Shakespeare told The Ledger in 2007.

"If I go broke tomorrow, I'm still going to be happy because money doesn't make a man."

Toward the end, Shakespeare was far from happy.

 

[guitarman_fl]

Yes, I caught all of it when you posted it. Supposedly, PP moved in after all the AS money transfers/renovations, etc. I don't know if PP had been to the residence prior to the actual move-in. But yes, valuable point, how would one know a rug was missing, if they weren't there until after the factors took place? It's just these things that when I first started replying to your posts, that made me have the "WOW" and the things that make you go "Hmm"!

maybe she was living nearby, like with dee dee and shar and had infact seen the rug, how else would she know it was missing, she did tell me that le asked her why she did not come forth earlier if she suspected something was a foul.
where ever they went after their place was taped off, she said that dee de told her as they were digging , that dee dee said i am going to get arrested, as she and dm, pp were at the same place awaiting the out come of the dig, that is when she said that dee dee told her that shar helped as he replaced the tile said to cover up blood. at that point she said she got very angry, because she said shar was someplace else when AS was murdered...so i can only speculate that she knows when the murder occured. then pp told me that dee told shar that
someone spilled oil on the floor and it had to be retiled, grouted ect. pp told me that she told dee dee she was never going to speak to her again, but at another phone call aprox, a week later she said she went and put money in dee dee' account at the jail......
finally , you bring up a very. she had to see the rug to know it was missing , i can think of no other explanation.

 

[dreamweaver]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, looks like Merissa Green wrote another wonderful article about Abraham.. 8 pages.. and it looks like it ran in last Sunday's paper...

Millionaire's Ignorance Left Him at the Mercy of Others

I had not read this article yet.
But when I did, I thought, one: Thank you Merissa Green.
And, then I thought,
so many people reached out to help Abraham, to help him with business advice, but Abraham followed his own path. He helped others.
He probably knew he would never be repaid by strangers.
Maybe the large sum of money felt unending, but then he ran into
DDM.
From all accounts, she was a con woman of many years.
And she succeeded in conning Abraham, taking control of his money, taking away his house, and killing him, in the space of
four months.

Abraham, you are due the peace you now have.
Rest, knowing justice will be done.

DeeDee Moore: There are so many words to say to you, and yet, none seem fitting.
I called your actions evil in an earlier post. But
now the words that come to mind are:
you are evil and amoral.
IMO. IMO. IMO.

 

[ACandyRose]

Thank you wanttohelp for the link to the new "Stat Nursing Personnel" Sunbiz link that shows that company documents signed by Debbie Munguia on 02/03/2010 not only show she's using the 5732 State Road 60 E., Plant City, FL 33567 address, but the "American Medical Professionals LLC" name and the 1354 Wrights Creek Rd, Bonifay, Florida, 32425 address ALL on the same document. :banghead:

This clearly shows Debbie Munguia associating her name, that company name, and both of those addresses as connected ALL to one another.

And if that isn't enough, thanks to wanttohelp again for the link, the felony conviction of Jorge Munguia, listed at the exact same 1354 Wrights Creek Rd address. And to add to that, Debbie picks a name "Stat Nursing Personnel" that starts with the name "Stat" that could very well be misconstruded to be associated with the "A Stat and Supplies LLC" listed at the same 5732 State Road 60 E address, owned by Shar Anthony Krasniqi. :banghead:

In my opinion, this is major WOW moment and certainly NOT a wise legal business move. Now I can understand Debbie Munguia being caught between a rock and a hard place in this whole mess. She stated in the media, that she's been dedicated to running the "American Medical Professionals LLC" company since 2008 (even though it was owned by Dee Dee Moore), and literally begged Moore to turn it over to her. So on 12/14/2009, Dee Dee Moore turned over the corporate records to show Debbie Munguia as the new owner.

The search warrant of 02/05/2010 executed 02/08/2010 at the 9340 Redhawk Bend property not only shows the names: Abraham Shakespeare, Dorice (DeeDee) Moore, Shar Anthony Krasniqi, Howard Stitzel, Judith Haggins, and Debra Munguia but Shakespeare & Associates LLC, Abraham Shakespeare LLC, ASTAT and Supplies LLC, American Medical Professionals PEO Inc, and American Medical Professionals LLC. Law Enforcement is/was searching for everything and anything that has to do with any of those names or businesses.

It's one thing to be caught between a rock and a hard place but quite another to bury your head under a rock and this, in my opinion, is what Debbie Munguia is doing. Somebody is NOT giving her good legal advice.

Law Enforcement has already stated they have probable cause (via their affidavit) charging Dee Dee Moore with first degree murder. In my opinion, Debbie Munguia needs to sit down and read that probable cause affidavit as well as the search warrant documents for the RedHawk Bend house, and then distance herself as far as she can (short of moving to another planet) from anything having to do with Dee Dee Moore and/or any company associated with Dee Dee Moore.

The writing on the wall shows this case is not going to end with a murder charge, and possible conviction of Dee Dee Moore, or anybody else that may be charged in this case. No doubt in my mind, there's going to be civil lawsuits, and/or wrongful death lawsuits filed against Dee Dee Moore and ALL and ANY of the companies she is associated with. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this.

ACR