FL - Abraham Shakespeare, 42, lottery winner, Polk County, 7 April 2009 #7

[A_New_Day]

You are so right. Bless that man.

Well, my instincts got a few tune ups over time and more than a few heart breaks and it's not always on target. That is just me. I get tired of seeing the good, the innocent and the kind people destroyed. (you can be some of each, or all of the above and I love you, ya'll have no idea how much just because)

Right now I'm going to make a toast to those people who make life worth living and inspire me to keep my faith. (the ones who inspired this post)

Dang, there's another toast

:rose:

 

[LadyL]

thinking of Abraham today

you can rest peacefully brother - that THING will not get away with this no matter how many lengthy letters she writes to the media

and her co-horts are going down too - I hope they read here and I hope they are scared witless knowing their time is coming

 

[A_New_Day]

BBM
I was thinking the same thing when she was posting and said that she was writing a book. I sure was hoping she had a good editor, because her spelling and grammar were sooooo bad I had to laugh! I know I am no super correct person grammatically or spelling, but I am not trying to make a living at writing either.

I tend to think that when somebody was posting as her son, it really wasn't her because it was so much easier to read and comprehend.

BBM
Thanks for that. In da middle (and I LOVE your name)
The whole TONE of the RD/DDM posts that night WERE different. So I tend to believe it was not her THAT NIGHT.

IMO!!! (thinking I need to make a disclaimer by now, LOL)

 

[A_New_Day]

I totally noticed that. I would have loved for them to go more into the handwriting analysis. That's always interested me, and I'd love to have mine analyzed by the same woman to see how on the mark those analyses are.
It's just weird to me that the way you form a letter can point to the fact you have "x" number of inhibitors. That's weird to me. I guess it might "say" a little more to me, if someone could analyze my handwriting!

You are so much braver than I, LOLOLOL! I never want ANYONE in my head and my handwriting is BAAAAD, if a little artful! nawww, no thanks

I am a little skeptical of the "phallus" and "daggers" though. INTERESTING and cool as hell if true, but still, HUH?

 

[ACandyRose]

Hi Christi! Thank you SO much for answering questions! Your being here really helps us to understand more.

Susan1, save me a seat if she goes to trial. I will definitely be there for some of it.

ACR- transcribed letter attached- all mistakes and errors intact, I hope.

Thank YOU so much !!

I was just sitting here thinking if I should type that letter up tonight or wait until morning when I read your post that you already had it transcribed.

:woohoo:

ACR

 

[blue mermaid]

Here ya go, A New Day

 

[Coldpizza]

Tonight on www.myfoxtampabay.com they had a piece with the "brother" Mr Brown. It lasted about a minute. He stated he is expecting more charges on the case. He was right there on camera "with tears" saying he expects 25 more people to be arrested! My husband said "yeah right I'm not buying that pile of manure". I've been trying to find the video but nothing so far. The news airs again at 10 PM if someone whats to try and capture it. I'm not sure I'll still be up.

Thought I'd pass this along

to edit...here is the switchboard # if someone wants to call and verify or ask
813-876-1313

Got up this am and the link was up

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/local/polk/0319-brother-predicts-more-arrests

nevermind! see it was already posted....need more coffee

 

[blue mermaid]

Thank YOU so much !!

I was just sitting here thinking if I should type that letter up tonight or wait until morning when I read your post that you already had it transcribed.

:woohoo:

ACR

Whoops! Left out a paragraph. The one that begins with "It's not fair..."

Amended copy here.

 

[Susan1]

I called Fox and asked them if they had verified that Robert Brown is really Abraham's brother because I had been told by a family member that he is NOT Elizabeth Walker's son. The reporter who answered the phone said they had researched him and verified he is Abraham's brother. My guess is they are using Abraham's father's obit as verification, but that is just a guess.

 

[tigergal71]

No, you are right. That was a sweeping statement that proves how cynical I have become.

But I have to say, if someone casually says "trust me" (ex." this cake is darn good, trust me") I take it in stride and feel good about the moment. When it comes to something important, I admit I got trust issues.

That cynic in me would say," of course your truthful, you have nothing to gain from me."
But the part of me that is the optimist and believer in the power of goodness in people (the one everyone in RL knows) just understands you say that from your heart, so that means it's the truth.

I have known "crooks" who I knew I could trust (in the capacity I have known them) and supposed "good citizens" who could do very bad things hiding behind an appearance. vice versa too. I don't ask for anything from any of them and very cautious when something is offered to me (except for that cake), nothing is free. That's much MUCH different than a hand up, or an opportunity for me to earn it or give it back.

Here I go rambling again.. Sorry



Wow you knew her. Can I ask you if you ever had any personal doubts about her and her all claims before all of this came about?

I understand where you are coming from on the above. Sometimes, if our gut doesn't feel right on trusting someone, we have to listen to it. Doesn't make us cynical per se, just shows you how deteriorated the people in society have become. Everyone's a cheater, no one follows the rules, everyone looking for personal gain. Etc. Now ~I~ am sounding cynical
But you know what I mean. It's so hard to find a truly "authentic" person these days. I know exactly what you mean about "good citizens" doing bad and hiding out behind appearances vs bad criminals who do good. I'm with you on that for sure!

As for knowing DDM, you have to realize, we were kids. I knew her when we were around 20/21 years old. I didn't know her WELL. I was really good friends with the man she is now divorced from. I knew her through him. In my opinion, she was one of those people who was very sweet on the outside. Not in a fake way necessarily. It's hard for me to explain. She was a little ditzy, which makes it soooooo hard to believe how "smart" she was about acquiring all this property. She didn't seem like the type who could pull something like that off, but I guess with the right drive, and 20 years in the making, one changes. She seemed like she was fine, mentally, aside from the ditziness. Her mother had said something after all this came out, that maybe that accident she had in 2005 "changed something in her brain" or something. I wonder if they saw differences in her after that.
As for your actual question.....I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. I wasn't even aware she was in trouble till I accidentally saw a clip on the news about her being a POI. It was literally just a few days prior to LE beginning to dig. (I know, nearly impossible to think that a local can't know what's going on, but I'm NOT a newswatcher! LOL) In one of my searches trying to find more media information, I came upon this website. I spent 2 or 3 very sleepless nights and long days reading the MORE THAN 100 PAGES of posts on this thread. I read the posts DMoore made. All this time, the thoughts were rapidly swirling through my head. I think that it would be hard to comprehend that ANYONE you, I, or any other poster here knows/knew personally could do something so sick, so twisted. As I learned more and more about the case, of course I began to think more and more about the fact that she was in this head deep and that what we'd be learning over the next days/weeks/months would be shocking. And it is. I can't believe evil can run so deep in someone who I've hung with, laughed with, and spent time with. It's just incredibly bizarre to me.
As soon as I saw the clip in late January, I was shocked. It brought back the memories of that 2001 case with the fake rape/carjacking. I remember reading that story in the paper back when it happened. I was dumbfounded then. But that is nothing to what is happening now. Back then, I didn't believe that actually happened, course I trusted the media on the matter. I hadn't spoken to DM in approximately 9 years at that point. It was just shocking. Stuff like that just don't happen with people that you know. Ya know??
So I hoped I answered your question. Feel free to ask anything else.

 

[tigergal71]

You are so much braver than I, LOLOLOL! I never want ANYONE in my head and my handwriting is BAAAAD, if a little artful! nawww, no thanks

I am a little skeptical of the "phallus" and "daggers" though. INTERESTING and cool as hell if true, but still, HUH?

Well, I guess my purpose here, is that, I could relate it a little more to DM if I knew what MY handwriting said about ME. I know the kind of person I am, and if my handwriting "told the story" then, it might be easier to apply what was said to the DM situation.

It's just hard for me to grasp the specifics on the handwriting analysis thing. I mean, her D's.....I know with me, that as a girl, I have played with the forms of my letters over the years. I make my D's different ways at different times. (not at all like hers, just FYI LOL) I do sign my name pretty much the same every single time (just recently saw a siggy from like 10 years ago, and it was pretty much the same as it is today)
I agree....INTERESTING and cool as hell
BTW, I don't want you to think I've ignored your friend request....I can't get it to accept. I'm having strange problems with my websleuth login stuff, (getting booted after too long of 'inactivity', unable to "thank" people or edit my own posts....although I did finally get that one the other day edited, but had to go into advanced options or soemthing) Ever since all these ads popped up on here, I've had issues.

 

[tigergal71]

Thank YOU so much !!

I was just sitting here thinking if I should type that letter up tonight or wait until morning when I read your post that you already had it transcribed.

:woohoo:

ACR

It might pay for you two to connect on the matter next time a document arises that needs transcription....LOL
Would suck if you both spent all that time doing it!!!!!!!!!

Btw, in the media article, when they used her spelling errors as they were and put [sic]....what does that mean?? I keep forgetting to ask

 

[tigergal71]

ANother thing about DM. It doesnt really mean anything, but back when we all were hanging out.....

She had these really big "Angela" from Whos the Boss glasses she never wore. She couldn't wear contacts for some reason, or they bothered her bad (or maybe her parents couldn't afford them??? It has been stated she grew up poor) She would squint her eyes nearly closed when she looked at you so she could see you better. I haven't noticed her squinting much these days, so maybe she can now wear contacts.

But it was weird having a conversation with her with her face all scrunched up like it was and her eyes nearly shut.

Laughing at the memory.

 

[blue mermaid]

It might pay for you two to connect on the matter next time a document arises that needs transcription....LOL
Would suck if you both spent all that time doing it!!!!!!!!!

Btw, in the media article, when they used her spelling errors as they were and put [sic]....what does that mean?? I keep forgetting to ask

Oh yeah, it would definitely suck if we both did it! lol
I don't really enjoy transcribing all that much, I just have the tools to do it with easily. I don't have to type it in.
ETA- I've told ACR I'll be happy to transcribe anything she needs for her site, and that offer is good for any case she's archiving. : ) It's the least I can do.. she has the job of keeping it all organized and displaying properly so we can access it easily. I use her site as a reference more than Google!

[sic] is defined by wiki as:
Sic is a Latin word meaning "thus", "so", "as such", or "in such a manner". In writing, it is placed within the quoted material, in square brackets – or outside it, in regular parentheses – and usually italicized – [sic] – to indicate that an incorrect or unusual spelling, phrase, punctuation, and/or other preceding quoted material has been reproduced verbatim from the quoted original and is not a transcription error.

 

[A_New_Day]

Okay, this is like really weird. She could be my evil twin incarnate or me from an alternate universe.

So much of your description of her I could see people saying about myself.. LOL YES, even the "dingy" comment. :crazy: down to the refusing to wear granny glasses and squinting at everything. (back in the day, I squinted so much my best friend's Dad swore I was stoned ALL THE TIME, and it was only SOME OF THE TIME< LOL)

More replies later.. I have to run off for awhile..

 

[Susan1]

As far as the trust issue goes, I don't trust anyone when I first meet them. To me, trust is something you earn and something that grows in a relationship with someone. This approach has avoided a great deal of disappointment in being let down by others when I later find they could not be trusted.
I'm not saying that I start off thinking everyone is a liar, because I don't. When I meet them, I don't know who they are so I take a wait and see attitude. I have few people that I call good friends, but the ones I do call good friends are people who I really do trust to be honest with me, to help me if they think I need help, and to be there when I need a friend.
There are many people I don't call friends but who I still trust to be honest people because they have built that foundation.
And there are some people, like Dorice and Casey Anthony, where it only takes a few sentences out of their mouths where I not only don't trust them, I am pretty much certain they are pathological liars.
I try not to ask people to trust me but rather back up things with public records. Sometimes I draw the wrong conclusions from the records, so I'd rather people just read the records themselves and go with the facts.
And I honestly don't know of anyone who is so perfect that they are 100% trustworthy and have NEVER told even a white lie. Maybe that person exists, but I don't think they've learned how to talk yet.
So much for trust issues.

 

[tigergal71]

Okay, this is like really weird. She could be my evil twin incarnate or me from an alternate universe.

So much of your description of her I could see people saying about myself.. LOL YES, even the "dingy" comment. :crazy: down to the refusing to wear granny glasses and squinting at everything. (back in the day, I squinted so much my best friend's Dad swore I was stoned ALL THE TIME, and it was only SOME OF THE TIME< LOL)

More replies later.. I have to run off for awhile..

YIKES :waitasec:
Weird for sure

 

[tigergal71]

As far as the trust issue goes, I don't trust anyone when I first meet them. To me, trust is something you earn and something that grows in a relationship with someone. This approach has avoided a great deal of disappointment in being let down by others when I later find they could not be trusted.
I'm not saying that I start off thinking everyone is a liar, because I don't. When I meet them, I don't know who they are so I take a wait and see attitude. I have few people that I call good friends, but the ones I do call good friends are people who I really do trust to be honest with me, to help me if they think I need help, and to be there when I need a friend.
There are many people I don't call friends but who I still trust to be honest people because they have built that foundation.
And there are some people, like Dorice and Casey Anthony, where it only takes a few sentences out of their mouths where I not only don't trust them, I am pretty much certain they are pathological liars.
I try not to ask people to trust me but rather back up things with public records. Sometimes I draw the wrong conclusions from the records, so I'd rather people just read the records themselves and go with the facts.
And I honestly don't know of anyone who is so perfect that they are 100% trustworthy and have NEVER told even a white lie. Maybe that person exists, but I don't think they've learned how to talk yet. So much for trust issues.

LOL That was funny!!! Did any of you see the movie with Ricky Gervais & Jennifer Garner. Quirky movie "The Invention of Lying". The characters, for the majority of the movie told the honest truth and didn't lie about anything. Difference too, is that things you'd THINK and keep to yourself, they'd blurt out. (Jennifer Garner's character on 1st date with Ricky Gervais' character: Something about him not being her type, and she didn't find him attractive at all and definitely no sex, and that he didn't make enough money, etc) It was quirky, and I wouldn't recommend going out of your way to see it, but there were funny parts in it. If everyone was a LITTLE more that way, you'd know where you stood with people at least
I'm like you I think, the way you described.....I agree with the lies. I thought Casey was guilty nearly as soon as all this stuff began coming out. I don't see how they'll find an impartial jury.
But with me, I want to see the best in people. I want to believe that people are good. Those who have traits/personalities I like, I get closer to. By the time that process of building a relationship has occurred, I know the type of people they are. An acquaintance, if I find out that they are a liar, I don't get my heart broke, I just take what they say with a grain of salt. They do not make it into my inner circle. I've had two really good friends in my life who were like that. They'd lie about the stupidest stuff. The friendships didn't last very long, but we laughed together and had fun together (these are separate relationships at different times in my life) and all the stupid stuff that they weren't truthful about, I know it was just a means for attention, so I ignored it. It made me sad for them that they felt they couldn't be honest about things. I think if I chose not to tell the truth on a regular basis (not saying I've never 'white lied'....I have of course) but I don't lie to my friends. With me, what you get is bold and blatant. I'm not NASTY with the truth, but I don't sugar coat things.
I wish everyone could apply that to their lives.

 

[blue mermaid]

I wish folks would always tell the truth, too. It puts everybody on a level playing field.

A dear friend of mine shared these wise words:
"Some people would rather climb a tree and tell a lie than stay on the ground and tell the truth."

 

[tigergal71]

I wish folks would always tell the truth, too. It puts everybody on a level playing field.

A dear friend of mine shared these wise words:
"Some people would rather climb a tree and tell a lie than stay on the ground and tell the truth."

This is the way my one friend was. Just bizarre the way that's in some people. And why? How? Siblings of my friend weren't like that, so what was the key that made her so like that? Maybe lack of attention within her family, and the lying grabbed and held attention by others.

Complex, people are so complex.