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I'm going to argue that by age 16, his actions were entirely within his control. He locked the door. He had time to stop before she died but didn't. He tried to cover it up. Many 16-year-olds are tried as adults.



I think it's possible his mother didn't actually say this about him, and if she did, we don't know the context. I just wonder if this is actually a fact, her actual words.
Just my opinions.
I do mention in my post that his actions should be punished and me saying entirely, was in reference to him not been given his meds ,of course the ultimate choice was all down to him but minors also are only as moral abiding as the responsible adult parent teaches and mirrors to them and if his parent was teaching risky behaviour, a minor will feel it is OK for them to also engage . But what usually happens is a young person will supersede the negative modelling in their upbringing

Regardless of whether SK actually said those words ,I stand by my opinion that she enabled with her parental negligence, the death of a bright young girl with a future ahead of her lined with possibilities . And she wasn't being a responsible parent allowing a son with apparent demons to be left unsupervised and possibly allowing him consume alcohol and just to add balance CK was not responsible allowing his daughter, a blossoming young woman to share a bedroom with a male 16 year old step sibling
 
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Yes. There is a cascade of poor decisions made by adults, that no doubt contributed to Anna's death. They may not have killed her, but the poor parenting is evident on many levels here.

Starting with the room assignments. That seems to have been extremely inappropriate to me. And it seems like the Mom here, did not even have permission from the father of the perpetrator to take him out of the country. The issues just keep multiplying.

Agree, and I think it is reasonable that parents check in at the kids’ cabin periodically. There was a still younger boy in the room as well, I think the parents needed to make sure everyone got back to the cabin at some point each night, at least the two boys who were children. Seems there was no parent checking in after dinner with those three kids.
 
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Agree, and I think it is reasonable that parents check in at the kids’ cabin periodically. There was a still younger boy in the room as well, I think the parents needed to make sure everyone got back to the cabin at some point each night, at least the two boys who were children. Seems there was no parent checking in after dinner with those three kids.
To my way of reasoning (from my child protection social work days), this is likely an indication of how they parented *all* the time. And even though the accused murderer obviously had long standing psycho-emotional issues, they chose chemical parenting with no or little active parenting. The "celebrating" on the trip seemed to be to let the teens go hog wild and celebrate themselves in their own room after the littlest were asleep, probably very early. I would not be surprised if they drugged them to sleep either. "Benadryl parenting" was a well known thing among those who came to our attention in my work. Another possibility is maybe they put on a kids movie & just didnt want to check on the teens because they didnt mind if they were out all night doing whatever.
 
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I wonder how much the parents thought along the lines of "how much trouble can teens get into on a cruise ship" and assumed the ship would do the parenting...
 
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I wonder how much the parents thought along the lines of "how much trouble can teens get into on a cruise ship" and assumed the ship would do the parenting...

I am not sure if we can post about the Carnival cruise ship. It has a program for children from age 2 to 11. And casinos and bars. Along with a pool, and one other water ride.

I didn't see anything for teens to do. Is this really even appropriate for teens?
 
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I am not sure if we can post about the Carnival cruise ship. It has a program for children from age 2 to 11. And casinos and bars. Along with a pool, and one other water ride.

I didn't see anything for teens to do. Is this really even appropriate for teens?
When I was around 15 years old or so I went on a cruise with my family and they had a "kids club" that my younger brother and I spent time at because the only other people there in the "club" were around the same age as my brother and I. HOWEVER, it was still wildly unsupervised since we were all teens and preteens.
 

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